QB Bills Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 per bloomberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLflutie7 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Also on NFL Network. Â Suspened 5 games. May come back in week 6. He can play the last two preseason games. No other restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 That's enough time to work out some option plays, get er' done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 *waits for the idiots to come invade this thread again and complain about how evil Mike Vick is because they know him personally* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 *waits for the idiots to come invade this thread again and complain about how evil Mike Vick is because they know him personally* Â Sorry, I don't need to know a guy personally to know that he's evil if he tortures and murders man's best friend for sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Little Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 *waits for the idiots to come invade this thread again and complain about how evil Mike Vick is because they know him personally* Â You don't need to know Michael Vick personally to realize the actions that led to his prison sentence and this suspension were evil. What a stupid post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlegm Alley Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 He's been out of football for 2 plus years...is he really going to be that effective if he does get a chance? He's like a rookie all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 "As you can imagine, the last two years have given me the time to reevaluate my life, mature as an individual, and fully understand the terrible mistakes I made in the past and what type of life I must lead moving forward. Again, I would like to thank Commissioner Goodell for the chance to return to the game I love and the opportunity to become an example of positive change. "Finally, I want to sincerely thanks Coach Dungy for being in my corner, and I look forward to him being a mentor for me."  Powerful words, but as Goodell told Vick in a letter sent to him today, actions in the end will speak the loudest.  "As I emphasized to you when we met, as I have said in other cases, it is actions that count," Goodell wrote. "I accept that you are sincere when you say that you want to, and will, turn your life around and that you intend to be a positive role model for others. I am prepared to offer you that opportunity.  Well put.  Bring him in....if anyhing at all it will be fun to throw chicken wings at the peta protestors outside of the Ralph! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotwing Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 *waits for the idiots to come invade this thread again and complain about how evil Mike Vick is because they know him personally* Â Didnt know Hitler or Pol Pot personally but I am pretty sure they were bad guys. Â You fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Didnt know Hitler or Pol Pot personally but I am pretty sure they were bad guys. You fail.  Oh really, so you are comparing HITLER and MIKE VICK? Are you serious kid?  Hitler you can clearly realize he was not a good person. Mike Vick's actions are far different and making a judgment off what the public knows about him is foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naj377 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 *waits for the idiots to come invade this thread again and complain about how evil Mike Vick is because they know him personally* Â Â i couldnt agree more with you... yeah he did some messed up things but hasnt everyone in this world... people deserve second chances, thats why so many people have a difficult time deciding which side to support on this issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Didnt know Hitler or Pol Pot personally but I am pretty sure they were bad guys. You fail.  Wow... you fail. I'm certainly not a Vick apologist, but you just compared him to Hitler. That's pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Little Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 making a judgment off what the public knows about him is foolish. Â Either you're joking or you're brain dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Well put. Bring him in....if anyhing at all it will be fun to throw chicken wings at the peta protestors outside of the Ralph!  LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 *waits for the idiots to come invade this thread again and complain about how evil Mike Vick is because they know him personally* Thanks for taking the thread in that direction. Good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Oh really, so you are comparing HITLER and MIKE VICK? Are you serious kid? Hitler you can clearly realize he was not a good person. Mike Vick's actions are far different and making a judgment off what the public knows about him is foolish.  Yet another fool who doesn't understand the difference between a comparison and a hyperbolic analogy. But I'll bite...why can't I judge the guy for torturing and killing innocent animals? What piece of evidence could be possibly make this forgivable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Wow... you fail. I'm certainly not a Vick apologist, but you just compared him to Hitler. That's pathetic. Â I'll say this again...just because he mentioned him in the same breath as Hitler does not make it a COMPARISON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Well there are certain degrees of actions that other people have that can make you have a conclusion about someone. Running a dog ring doesn't necessarily mean he is an awful person. There are tons of variables and such that could have led to that situation, and not to mention some people deserve a second chance. You guys must all be perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 i couldnt agree more with you... yeah he did some messed up things but hasnt everyone in this world... people deserve second chances, thats why so many people have a difficult time deciding which side to support on this issue Nope, sorry, but I can't claim to have ever electrocuted a dog. Â Thoughts on the suspension: the people who didn't think he should face any further discipline won't like this decision. Neither will the ones on the other side of the argument who suggest that the death penalty's too good for him. Both sides will be sure to let the rest of us know of their unhappiness, so I'd say that means Goodell drove the ball right down the middle of the fairway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Yet another fool who doesn't understand the difference between a comparison and a hyperbolic analogy. But I'll bite...why can't I judge the guy for torturing and killing innocent animals? What piece of evidence could be possibly make this forgivable? Â Couldnt agree more. This POS "enjoyed" watching and backing the entire operation. Its not like he only attended one of these events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Well there are certain degrees of actions that other people have that can make you have a conclusion about someone. Running a dog ring doesn't necessarily mean he is an awful person. There are tons of variables and such that could have led to that situation, and not to mention some people deserve a second chance. You guys must all be perfect  I'm not perfect, but I'm pretty sure that I've never considered feeding a live chihuahua to a rottweiler so that it gets the taste for blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Well put. Bring him in....if anyhing at all it will be fun to throw chicken wings at the peta protestors outside of the Ralph!  That would be a waste of good chicken wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 My best guess? He signs with the Raiders. Al Davis loves this type of publicity and it kinda...sorta...makes sense if Russell ends up failing this year. Â Plus any chance for a reclamation project, Davis is all over it. Â As long as it's not with us, there is already a slim chance we build a focused team with TO on this squad. With Vick here as well, the circus would be never-ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Nope, sorry, but I can't claim to have ever electrocuted a dog. Thoughts on the suspension: the people who didn't think he should face any further discipline won't like this decision. Neither will the ones on the other side of the argument who suggest that the death penalty's too good for him. Both sides will be sure to let the rest of us know of their unhappiness, so I'd say that means Goodell drove the ball right down the middle of the fairway.  Well put Lori Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Nope, sorry, but I can't claim to have ever electrocuted a dog. Thoughts on the suspension: the people who didn't think he should face any further discipline won't like this decision. Neither will the ones on the other side of the argument who suggest that the death penalty's too good for him. Both sides will be sure to let the rest of us know of their unhappiness, so I'd say that means Goodell drove the ball right down the middle of the fairway.  Lori, I know I've been one of Goodell's biggest detractors in the way he's handled things since taking over, but i have a major problem with only 5 games. And this has more to do than just Goodells random and haphazard suspensions that are based more on star power and marketability as opposed to the offense. (3 games for a gun locked in a truck, while you can beat women repeatedly and only get 1, and wilfork not getting any punishment after repeated fines for illegal and cheap hits).  My biggest problem is that the league and Goodell have completely ignored one important aspect: gambling. No one runs a dog fighting ring for sport. They run it as a gambling venture. As far as i know, all of the profesional sports leagues are very strict on their players/coaches/employees staying far away from organized gambling. So how can the league completely ignore the fact that Vick was involved in an illegal gambling operation? Its absolutely baffling. I would wager that if someone from the lions got caught doing the same thing vick did, he would be suspended for life, similar to how low-market sad sap cleveland and donte stallworth got such a huge penalty. (which you can bet would be 1-2 games is donte was still in ne*)  But why is the league completely ignoring the gambling portion of the dogfighting ring? To me, that is an offense worthy of a lifetime ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJ91 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 That's enough time to work out some option plays, get er' done. Â Option plays? For convicted felon Vick to play football this season for the Bills? You're crazy. Â Here's the only option play I think Vick deserves: Never playing another down in the NFL again, and since he's paid his debt to society for his crime, and he does deserve to earn a living as everyone keeps ranting and raving about on this site, he can excercise his options to pay back his debts to the bankruptcy courts by finding a job in the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Lori, I know I've been one of Goodell's biggest detractors in the way he's handled things since taking over, but i have a major problem with only 5 games. And this has more to do than just Goodells random and haphazard suspensions that are based more on star power and marketability as opposed to the offense. (3 games for a gun locked in a truck, while you can beat women repeatedly and only get 1, and wilfork not getting any punishment after repeated fines for illegal and cheap hits). Â My biggest problem is that the league and Goodell have completely ignored one important aspect: gambling. No one runs a dog fighting ring for sport. They run it as a gambling venture. As far as i know, all of the profesional sports leagues are very strict on their players/coaches/employees staying far away from organized gambling. So how can the league completely ignore the fact that Vick was involved in an illegal gambling operation? Its absolutely baffling. I would wager that if someone from the lions got caught doing the same thing vick did, he would be suspended for life, similar to how low-market sad sap cleveland and donte stallworth got such a huge penalty. (which you can bet would be 1-2 games is donte was still in ne*) Â But why is the league completely ignoring the gambling portion of the dogfighting ring? To me, that is an offense worthy of a lifetime ban. Excellent Post. Â My problem with Vick being allowed back is that he has yet to "prove" anything. He was locked up for 2 years or so, how does anybody know if he has changed his ways? I think he needed this year off to prove that he can be a law abiding citizen. Oh well, as long as he doesn't land in Buffalo I don't really care too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Doesn't say it anywhere in the Personal Conduct Policy, obviously, but I think they have two different definitions for gambling. Betting on games, or even associating with a casino (what got Hornung and Karras busted all those years ago), verboten. But how many players have you heard about hanging out in Vegas? Kind of like the NBA -- look at all the $$$ guys like Jordan and Barkley have dropped over the years, but nothing was ever officially done to them about it. Â IIRC, I think I was actually the one who brought the gambling issue up when this all happened, and I agree that this would seem to fall under the "associating with known gamblers" section of the policy ... but obviously, their definition of same doesn't jibe with ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 That would be a waste of good chicken wings. Â My bad, chicken bones! good call though...gotta eat the wings first, no PETA protestor is worth wasting a good chicken wing on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Well there are certain degrees of actions that other people have that can make you have a conclusion about someone. Running a dog ring doesn't necessarily mean he is an awful person. There are tons of variables and such that could have led to that situation, and not to mention some people deserve a second chance. You guys must all be perfect  Pitta has a good point. For all we know, the ghosts of the aforementioned Hitler and Pol Pot could have taken his family hostage and demanded that he run a dogfighting ring.  Vick didn't get pissed off and throw a punch in a bar. He didn't lose track of himself and drive home drunk. He didn't make it rain at a strip club and lose control of the results.  He ran a dogfighting ring over the long term, and while he has shown some contrition publicly, he hasn't reported any extenuating circumstances that would lead him to run a freaking dogfighting ring (which are extremely difficult to imagine). He's a malicious bastard and I think if anything, the criminal justice system was too easy on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Either you're joking or you're brain dead. Â Did I ever say I like Mike Vick? Did I EVER say he was a good person? No. I said he paid his dues and deserves to resume his career, period. I don't necessarily think Mike Vick is a good person, but I know that I am in no position to come to that conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Little Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Did I ever say I like Mike Vick? Did I EVER say he was a good person? No. I said he paid his dues and deserves to resume his career, period. I don't necessarily think Mike Vick is a good person, but I know that I am in no position to come to that conclusion. Â No, what you said is that the public shouldn't judge Vick off what we know about him. I think that is ridiculous. Â From the AP: Â Vick finally pleaded guilty after his three co-defendants had already done so. They told of how Vick participated in the killing of dogs that didn't perform well in test fights by shooting, hanging, drowning or slamming them to the ground. Â Sorry, but those aren't the actions of anything but a terrible person. He has been a complete menace to society in the past, and I happen to agree with others here who think his second chance at life ought to consist of getting a real job -- not playing football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 *waits for the idiots to come invade this thread again and complain about how evil Mike Vick is because they know him personally* Â Â As a former animal control officer, I felt he should have served more time in jail. Â I need a job with the NFL, you can committ Federal offenses & felonies and still have a job to come back to and make millions of dollars...must be nice. If anyone of us were asked by his/her employers if we committed the crimes that we were accussed of and then lie to our employers by saying "No", then a month later finally admit to doing those crimes, we would be fired immediately. Sports athlete's get away with so much more than the average person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 PITTSFORD, N.Y. -- Now that NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has announced the conditions of Michael Vick's reinstatement, teams know the plan if they want to sign the former Atlanta Falcons quarterback. Â Â http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0...have-him-.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Â As a former animal control officer, I felt he should have served more time in jail. Â I need a job with the NFL, you can committ Federal offenses & felonies and still have a job to come back to and make millions of dollars...must be nice. If anyone of us were asked by his/her employers if we committed the crimes that we were accussed of and then lie to our employers by saying "No", then a month later finally admit to doing those crimes, we would be fired immediately. Sports athlete's get away with so much more than the average person. Â Yeah, well, if you could sell $10 million of jerseys, I'm sure they'd overlook your faults as well. It's the NFL, and the bottom line is paying the bills. Â That's why really, I think this was a job for the criminal justice system and not Goodell. Unless the five-game suspension is a backdoor to suspending him for the season, since no team wants a potential starting QB to miss Septemeber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat7s Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 What he did was disgusting, but he has served his time. I suppose I'm OK with his reinstatement, and the fact he'll miss a good chunk of the season. Obviously the Comish was convinced he's been "rehabilitated." Â Still, I don't want him on the Bills, unless he can plow over Richard Seymour every play. The Bills don't need him on the team purely for a lack of need alone. Â I admit though, I would have a tough time rooting for this team if they got Vick. I just can't root for him scoring touchdowns for the Bills. I realize it's a business, I understand that wins cure all for a lot of people, but Marshawn's antics, Ko Simpson's "millions" and Donte Witner's crap is already pushing me to the edge of being able to actually like this team. Â I know they are people and what they do off the field is their business. I agree with that, until these athletes do something illegal and hurt the image of the team and themselves. It's one thing to be a loud mouth like T.O., another to break the law. I'm tired of it... it makes me not care like I used to care about the team. Vick coming here would put me over the top. And no, I wouldn't turn in my season tickets... 10 years of losing has kept me from buying them in the first place. Â I believe bad press is not bad, it's just a great opportunity. In terms of business no one is stupid for signing him because it will bring immediate interest to that team. This is one time though I wouldn't be able to stick with my own philosophy... I hate that, but it's being honest with myself. Â I hope they don't sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 "A Bills source told me this spring they would have zero interest in Vick. Â But that was a few months ago, and I think it's safe to say there will be some surprises as this controversial story develops." Â Oh Tim...do you know something the rest of us don't?...I mean aside from plenty of football knowledge and journalistic integrity. I've made peace with the fact I don't have either, but then again I bet YOU can't name all of the Thundercats. So there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Philster Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Either you're joking or you're brain dead. anyone who supports that scumbag is the latter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 I will say it just for my own peace of mind again. Â Even if Vick, recommitted to the game, became St. Michael the Penitent, he would need an offense that keeps him mobile, rolling out, firing on the fly. Â The Bills, getting Losman, a mobile QB with a rifle arm, immediately focused on breaking him into a 3 step drop pocket passer. Â So even if Vick becomes a future PETA Poster lovechild, the Bills would be utterly unable to use him, and would instead jam him into three step drops, which imho, he is not gonna succeed as, had he not spent 2 years away from the sport anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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