extrahammer Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Jasper, Thanks for the comments....and it does help to be able to talk to some one who has gone through this...... Right now we are in the "hammer waiting to fall mode" until someone says he is not physically going to be able to play he is still in get ready for season mode. I got a text from him just a few minutes ago since I am at work...he wanted to go bench with his team. I didn't think it was a good idea until we had a final determination on what was going to happen....as it is I am getting calls from his coaches trying to figure out if he is going to be able to play. I just didn't want him to deal with those questions right now....shoot for all I know some underclassman might try to finish that knee off for a chance at playing time... Just told him to wait for me and we would lift together at our membership gym like the good old days........ Sounds like you are already doing a great job! I will say that lifting weights was something I really became interested in after my accident. My brother was one of those bodybuilder types and though I never got THAT serious, I still would workout with him for a while. I would lift weights before the accident with the team with moderate interest, you know just seeing who could bench and squat the most. But after the accident I became all about lifting weights and learned it's not all about who can lift the heaviest. I did upper body until my ankle was healed enough for me to do squats. I went through nearly 2 years of rehab and it was worth it. Another big fear to overcome is doing the things the way you did before. I was scared to do intramural sports in college at first, but I finally just did them. No re-injuries so far... Keep positive, and to quote a former Bill I interviewed during college, Mr. Shaud Williams: "A life without challenges is not a life for me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 I know I've come late to the party but I must chime in...First John, sorry about your son, hopefully it will work out and he can continue to play. Secondly, ans you are right on...not everyone can relate to John in this thread, but I sure can, because of what I'm going through with my son, he plays basketball. He's had more than his share up twists and turns along the way, good grades, bad grades and other typical teenage things...He's had varying degrees of projections from people about his college prospects D3 to D1... Hearing these kinds of things about your kid from coaches or scouts is something unlike anything else...if he got injured or failed to make it I would feel as crushed as he would, is that living vicariously through him? I want him to achieve what is possible for him. My son knows he won't be playing in the NBA, he loves the game, he has a passion for the game...that's why he wants to play in college...to him right now, the education part is a pain in the ass, he doesn't excel or fail, he gets by. He doesn't like school, never has. Am I happy with that? Hell no, but that's who he is, that's his decision. I don't ride him about his grades, I've found that to be counter productive. If he screws it up that's on him. Maybe that makes me a bad dad too. John's son had a dream, he wanted to help him realize the dream, that is not living vicariously through him...he shares his son's victories and defeats...he's a proud Dad that obviously loves his kids...it's as simple as that. I completely understand and wish him the best. Great post, I concur. Nothing wrong with being a proud papa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share Posted July 16, 2009 I know I've come late to the party but I must chime in...First John, sorry about your son, hopefully it will work out and he can continue to play. Secondly, ans you are right on...not everyone can relate to John in this thread, but I sure can, because of what I'm going through with my son, he plays basketball. He's had more than his share up twists and turns along the way, good grades, bad grades and other typical teenage things...He's had varying degrees of projections from people about his college prospects D3 to D1... Hearing these kinds of things about your kid from coaches or scouts is something unlike anything else...if he got injured or failed to make it I would feel as crushed as he would, is that living vicariously through him? I want him to achieve what is possible for him. My son knows he won't be playing in the NBA, he loves the game, he has a passion for the game...that's why he wants to play in college...to him right now, the education part is a pain in the ass, he doesn't excel or fail, he gets by. He doesn't like school, never has. Am I happy with that? Hell no, but that's who he is, that's his decision. I don't ride him about his grades, I've found that to be counter productive. If he screws it up that's on him. Maybe that makes me a bad dad too. John's son had a dream, he wanted to help him realize the dream, that is not living vicariously through him...he shares his son's victories and defeats...he's a proud Dad that obviously loves his kids...it's as simple as that. I completely understand and wish him the best. I think we are of the same ilk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 You realize that because of this thread, there's going to be hundreds of Bills fans who now suspect that every gay person is a spy/intelligence operative. Only in the Obama whitehouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 I think we are of the same ilk you poor bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 John, let me start this out by saying I have the utmost sympathy for your son. As a father, I can also understand your pain in seeing something you wanted for your child disappear. As a person, I can feel his pain somewhat as I blew out my ACL a few years back. It is mostly normal now, but I think I preferred the broken leg from a couple of years before. With that said, I think the usual people who are generally harsh have showed a lot of restraint. I would suggest, it may not feel that way at the moment. In some cases, ir was probably painful... And with that said, considering what John is like (what I can glean from his posts), isn't it likely he talked football mainly when discussing his son? I mean this is a football board. So if he left out the bits about arguing with his son about grades, who could blame him? I hope he didn't hurt himself. I heard he is expected to take 2-3 weeks to regain use of his acid tongue. Of course, he claims he is a quick healer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 I heard he is expected to take 2-3 weeks to regain use of his acid tongue. Of course, he claims he is a quick healer... More like 2 or 3 minutes. I'm never too out of kilter to smack you around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 More like 2 or 3 minutes. I'm never too out of kilter to smack you around. Gee that would be weird since I agree with you on most issues. Well, other than your propensity to smack people around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 Gee that would be weird since I agree with you on most issues. Well, other than your propensity to smack people around... No one is immune to the possibility of smacking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 Damn you - did you have to remind me? It's so darn hot I have to drive with my top up! I am not BTW but your temperature answer is.......104F = 40C The unit converter on my cell gave me the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 Gettng his MRI as I type this......I am just a nervous wreck Preparing myself for the worst but hoping for the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 Gettng his MRI as I type this......I am just a nervous wreck Preparing myself for the worst but hoping for the best what's "the best" at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 ACL sprain instead of ACL tear........ One of the doctors he saw thought he might have ACL micro tears (a sprain) rather then a full blown tear If its torn he cant play his senior year.......if its sprain he can as long as he gets sports therapist approval.....I wont allow him without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 fixed it for you If its torn he cant play his senior year.......if its sprain he gets his grades up he can as long as he gets sports therapist approval.....I wont allow him without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 ACL sprain instead of ACL tear........ One of the doctors he saw thought he might have ACL micro tears (a sprain) rather then a full blown tear If its torn he cant play his senior year.......if its sprain he can as long as he gets sports therapist approval.....I wont allow him without it. When will you have the results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 fixed it for you Poojer.....uh yeah that is what I mean to say..... Actually.....a plan is in place to get the grades up already working with his student councilor. We addressed this right after the school year. He is also taking a summer course to make up one of the core classes....or to create room his senior year to retake a core class....or something to that affect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 When will you have the results? Update. It looks like we have them....on disk. And a paper evaluation gets faxed over to the doctors office which we might not get till Monday. That SUCKS! I dont know how to read an MRI! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 ACL sprain instead of ACL tear........ One of the doctors he saw thought he might have ACL micro tears (a sprain) rather then a full blown tear If its torn he cant play his senior year.......if its sprain he can as long as he gets sports therapist approval.....I wont allow him without it. That is great news. IMO I would focus on education now. If he is so gung ho for football, then you have what you need to ensure he gives it his all in the classroom. In other words you give him an ultimatum, "If I don't see x (whatever you think he can handle) grades every six weeks then you are out of football." Your fallback position if you do have to remove him can be, if he gets his grades back up to x. So that would give you some cushion, although he may miss a couple of games. Just my opinion of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 That is great news. IMO I would focus on education now. If he is so gung ho for football, then you have what you need to ensure he gives it his all in the classroom. In other words you give him an ultimatum, "If I don't see x (whatever you think he can handle) grades every six weeks then you are out of football." Your fallback position if you do have to remove him can be, if he gets his grades back up to x. So that would give you some cushion, although he may miss a couple of games. Just my opinion of course. I should have done this last year......I am just too much of a puss to follow through with it. Parenting is hard..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 I should have done this last year......I am just too much of a puss to follow through with it. Parenting is hard..... I know. I have taken the approach that it is for the better in the long run (when did I become my parents?). I hate it with every fiber of my being, but I learn what my child loves, so I can take it away from him when he doesn't do what is right. Not fair, cool, or what I ever wanted. He is a willful brat though (13) and whipping is out as it never made an impression and he is too old now anyway. If you do make the ultimatum, you need to track him every day and warn him if he slips. If he fails to meet the goals, you have to yank him. Again, just my opinion. If you ever need a sympathetic ear, just shoot a PM. I agree that parenting is hard, but there are so many priceless moments as rewards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 18, 2009 Author Share Posted July 18, 2009 5 PM....looks like the Dr. Office is making me wait the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 It amuses me, reading that knowing that a good number of pinheads here don't know what the CIA is... I learned what it is back when I was 15 and the owners son at the restaurant I worked at had a jacket with the logo/emblem on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I learned what it is back when I was 15 and the owners son at the restaurant I worked at had a jacket with the logo/emblem on it. I know a guy who works for a company named NSA in the Internal Affairs department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 18, 2009 Author Share Posted July 18, 2009 Well the doctors office was a lot of help...... They called a few minutes ago Suspected ACL rupture Suspected MCL rupture See your orthopedist This was our family physicians office for christ sake.......are the ligaments torn or arnet they? What does "suspected" mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Well the doctors office was a lot of help...... They called a few minutes ago Suspected ACL rupture Suspected MCL rupture See your orthopedist This was our family physicians office for christ sake.......are the ligaments torn or arnet they? What does "suspected" mean? It means he's a family doctor and not an orthopedist so he can't make that important distinction with certainty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 20, 2009 Author Share Posted July 20, 2009 So the big day arrives when my son can actually be seen by the orthepedic office after we have gone through all of the referrals and hoops from my HMO. And we get in to see......a physician asst who cannot read MRI photos (we were given a disk with several MRI shots of his knee) and goes strictly off what is on the MRI explanation printout which says: "suspected MCL rupture" "suspected ACL rupture" She says....."yep the ACL is definately torn" and we are like "if something is suspected then it has not been confirmed. Can you confirm that for us through these photos" "really could you show us where it is torn we would just like to know for our education" (at this point I am trying to get her to show him the damage so he can accept why he is not going to play this year because he is taking it kind of hard) SHE CANT DO IT So then we ask.....if there is a rupture of the ACL then why is my son not having stability, swelling, or pain problems in that area of the knee (I was asking for my own better understanding not trying to be a jerk or anything) and she says "well maybe you would rather talk to an orthopedist" .......come back on Wednesday WELL @UCK YEAH WE WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT AND CAN ACTUALLY SHOW US THE DAMAGE AND EXPLAIN WHY THERE ARE NO SYMPTOMS OF AN ACL TEAR. Expecially when you are recommending surgery in the same @odamn breath as you are telling us you cant read an MRI. What is up with the health care system nowadays? Do people just blindly allow doctors to cut on them without asking questions and getting 2nd opinions? We have been on the phone, picking up paperwork, and jumping through hoops for the past week so we can get real medical evaluation and advice and they give us this person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 What is up with the health care system nowadays? Do people just blindly allow doctors to cut on them without asking questions and getting 2nd opinions? We have been on the phone, picking up paperwork, and jumping through hoops for the past week so we can get real medical evaluation and advice and they give us this person? I read that Hemet is one of the current test area for the new Obama-care. Seriously, it sucks that you can't get a straight answer. Maybe we've got a doctor in the house to give some perspective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 20, 2009 Author Share Posted July 20, 2009 I read that Hemet is one of the current test area for the new Obama-care. Seriously, it sucks that you can't get a straight answer. Maybe we've got a doctor in the house to give some perspective? The thing that really bothered me the most was not being able to read the MRI images, take the paper read out from the MRI that used the word "suspected" and then from all of that derived that it was time to set a surgery date. If surgery is needed.......I can accept that and I think my kid will work his mind around it quickly.....but to have someone is is unqualified doing that reeks of incompetance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 .......come back on Wednesday Unfreakingbelievable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 22, 2009 Author Share Posted July 22, 2009 I sure am glad we went back on Wed. My son's ACL is not torn....it is barely even strained. The damage that was a sprain of the MCL which can be rehabbed No surgery required He will get to play his senior year Just two days ago his physician asst diagnosed him with a ACL tear, an MCL tear, and a broken bone in his knee.......surgery as soon as possible. The actually ortho (the one that can read MRI pictures) says virtually no ACL damage, a slight MCL tear, and no broken bone! I am a little emotional right now...I am so happy for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 I sure am glad we went back on Wed. My son's ACL is not torn....it is barely even strained. The damage that was a sprain of the MCL which can be rehabbed No surgery required He will get to play his senior year Just two days ago his physician asst diagnosed him with a ACL tear, an MCL tear, and a broken bone in his knee.......surgery as soon as possible. The actually ortho (the one that can read MRI pictures) says virtually no ACL damage, a slight MCL tear, and no broken bone! I am a little emotional right now...I am so happy for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofiba Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 I would just like to know what your son did to deserve this great luck. Looks like Brett is going to be clobbering running backs AND getting straight A's in his senior year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 22, 2009 Author Share Posted July 22, 2009 You know......I was having a rather crappy day. I am now having a AWESOME DAY......life is wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 22, 2009 Author Share Posted July 22, 2009 I would just like to know what your son did to deserve this great luck. Looks like Brett is going to be clobbering running backs AND getting straight A's in his senior year. Today we are going to celebrate that he is not seriously hurt........ I will wait until tomorrow to start talking about the grades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 I sure am glad we went back on Wed. My son's ACL is not torn....it is barely even strained. The damage that was a sprain of the MCL which can be rehabbed No surgery required He will get to play his senior year Just two days ago his physician asst diagnosed him with a ACL tear, an MCL tear, and a broken bone in his knee.......surgery as soon as possible. The actually ortho (the one that can read MRI pictures) says virtually no ACL damage, a slight MCL tear, and no broken bone! I am a little emotional right now...I am so happy for him. Today we are going to celebrate that he is not seriously hurt........ I will wait until tomorrow to start talking about the grades hahaha i was just about to say "perfect! he gets to learn nothing from this!" i hope this scare put life into a little better perspective for your son. it wouldnt be a bad idea to start thinking now about life after football... glad to hear he's not seriously injured!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 22, 2009 Author Share Posted July 22, 2009 hahaha i was just about to say "perfect! he gets to learn nothing from this!" i hope this scare put life into a little better perspective for your son. it wouldnt be a bad idea to start thinking now about life after football... glad to hear he's not seriously injured!! We were having a conversation on the phone about that right now since I am at work and he went to the ortho appt with his mom. Things were pretty emotional between us....I love him to death and I know what sitting around waiting for a surgery would do to his his last year of high school.....so I was really happy for him. but We also talked about other things.....both of us were expecting the worst news today based off of what had been said previously.....and so my son was talking plainly about the way he was thinking based on that. The education part of this was coming much more into focus for him...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Your son in essence has a second chance. Not many people get that. Even fewer seize upon it (and when you're dealing with a teenager...). The time is NOW to tell him "bad grades, no play." Because there is still a high likelihood he doesn't make money playing football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 I sure am glad we went back on Wed. My son's ACL is not torn....it is barely even strained. The damage that was a sprain of the MCL which can be rehabbed No surgery required He will get to play his senior year Just two days ago his physician asst diagnosed him with a ACL tear, an MCL tear, and a broken bone in his knee.......surgery as soon as possible. The actually ortho (the one that can read MRI pictures) says virtually no ACL damage, a slight MCL tear, and no broken bone! I am a little emotional right now...I am so happy for him. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 So it took us 10 pages to find out that not only does your son not study enough he has a low threshold for pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 23, 2009 Author Share Posted July 23, 2009 So it took us 10 pages to find out that not only does your son not study enough he has a low threshold for pain. LOL I think he could literally go out there and play with a broken hand or something......I know he has played with a separated shoulder. As a LB playing DE you have guys that are over 100 pounds heavier across from you and one of them gave him a pass protection punch so strong it dislocated his shoulder. He went to the sideline....got it popped back into place...and finished the game. I think where he runs into problems is anything "lower body" meaning something that causes him not to be able to run and honestly it is wierd....like a car battery that gets the life sucked out of it or something....something in his "aura" changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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