StupidNation Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 You might think it's fumbles or interceptions, or pocket-presence. Nope... Demarcus Ware And everytime I watch him play I think about how much different our D would look and we wouldn't have over-payed for Kelsay or re-signed Schobel. Discuss... and this isn't to bash JP, but to see other people's views on how he would've changed our D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgg Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 You might think it's fumbles or interceptions, or pocket-presence. Nope... Demarcus Ware And everytime I watch him play I think about how much different our D would look and we wouldn't have over-payed for Kelsay or re-signed Schobel. Discuss... and this isn't to bash JP, but to see other people's views on how he would've changed our D. It's a moot point. Had the Bills kept the pick they gave to Dallas, they would have chosen an undersized receiver, a cornerback, or a safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 unless I'm missing something, Demarcus Ware was selected 11th by Dallas. Buffalo's pick that they traded to Dallas ended up being the 20th pick, where they selected Marcus Spears. ?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortured Soul Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Demarcus Ware wasn't the Bills' pick. Marcus Spears was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In space no one can hear Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Demarcus Ware wasn't the Bills' pick. Marcus Spears was. Right. The other picks the Cowboys received turned out to be: 2nd round pick from the Bills the Cowboys took Julius Jones(RB) and with the 5th round pick from the Bills the Cowboys took Buffalo native Sean Ryan(TE) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 So, after seeing those replies...now what do you hate most about Losman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 So, after seeing those replies...now what do you hate most about Losman? HE SUCKS! A BUST! WASTED PICKS! OVER SPENT! HUGE REACH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Green Bay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Homeless Beard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSRABILLSFAN Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Sissy Talker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Troy U is a football factory as of late...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Remarkably, the Cowboys couldn't really make hay out of the picks they got for JP. It doesn't mean that we couldn't have, but somehow, they didn't get the ransom they should have with a free 2nd and 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 You might think it's fumbles or interceptions, or pocket-presence. Nope... Demarcus Ware And everytime I watch him play I think about how much different our D would look and we wouldn't have over-payed for Kelsay or re-signed Schobel. Discuss... and this isn't to bash JP, but to see other people's views on how he would've changed our D. StupidNation living up to the billing of his handle yet again. It was Spears, not Ware. I know other people corrected SN before me, but I just wanted to drive the point home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StupidNation Posted December 17, 2008 Author Share Posted December 17, 2008 So, after seeing those replies...now what do you hate most about Losman? well admittedly I didn't know... but I feel better... slightly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChimp Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Two words: He's DUMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robkmil Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 HE SUCKS! A BUST! WASTED PICKS! OVER SPENT! HUGE REACH! yoda neighbor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp on da' net Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 HE SUCKS! A BUST! WASTED PICKS! OVER SPENT! HUGE REACH! LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Here's one that I got pissed about: We gave up our #1 draft pick to the Jags so we could get Rob "I Fallen and can't get up" Johnson. The Jags used our draft pick on Fred Taylor. Great job John "Bubblechin" Butler! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeBill Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 And instead of Mike Williams, we could have drafted Dwight Freeney, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Also, instead of drafting Donte Whitner, we could have drafted Haloti Ngata. Don't get me wrong, I like Whitner but we needed a better impact player at DT. It would of saved the wasted pick on McCargo and the wasted FA pick up of Tripplett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donahoeisgod Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Amen to that...the Bills only draft philosophy should be, always take the best big guy over the best little guy....it works over the long haul (with notable exceptions like Big Mike Williams) Put Ngata next to Stroud and you could have a 45 year old Henry Jones playing SS. Also, instead of drafting Donte Whitner, we could have drafted Haloti Ngata. Don't get me wrong, I like Whitner but we needed a better impact player at DT. It would of saved the wasted pick on McCargo and the wasted FA pick up of Tripplett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperKillerRobots Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Right. The other picks the Cowboys received turned out to be: 2nd round pick from the Bills the Cowboys took Julius Jones(RB) and with the 5th round pick from the Bills the Cowboys took Buffalo native Sean Ryan(TE) So they got three players with the picks we sent them that all would have been run out of town by now in Buffalo or declared busts! (unless Sean Ryan got the Pat Keleta treatment) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 You might think it's fumbles or interceptions, or pocket-presence. Nope... Demarcus Ware And everytime I watch him play I think about how much different our D would look and we wouldn't have over-payed for Kelsay or re-signed Schobel. Discuss... and this isn't to bash JP, but to see other people's views on how he would've changed our D. My two words are JAY CUTLER. He was out there for us to take, but becuase they had JP, the Bills passed on him. !@#$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 My two words are JAY CUTLER. He was out there for us to take, but becuase they had JP, the Bills passed on him. !@#$. It would have been stupid to take Cutler atthat point. Obviously, we all know losman sucks now. But there was still debate of how much he sucked. He deserved another year (of course, he proved he sucked). But you don't get the team better by chasing QBs every year. Build around Trent, sign a veteran QB, and draft a QB in the middle rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Also, instead of drafting Donte Whitner, we could have drafted Haloti Ngata. Don't get me wrong, I like Whitner but we needed a better impact player at DT. It would of saved the wasted pick on McCargo and the wasted FA pick up of Tripplett. Yes, that's right. And instead of 198 other players, all 32 teams had at least 4 chances to draft Tom Brady in 2000. Instead, the following QB's were drafted: Chad Pennington (NYJ), Giovanni Carmazzi (SF), Chris Redman (Bal), Tee Martin (Oak), Marc Bulger (NO), and Spergon Wynn (Cle). The draft is an art, not a science. Nobody gets it right every time. Let it go. And as to the teams that look like they get it right every time, it's because they have a good coach that knows how to accentuate what players do well. It's not because the players those teams draft are markedly better than everyone else. You can nit-pick any teams' draft with a "you could've had this guy" mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Actually, looking back, I wonder if the Bills may have been interested in Matt Schaub in the 2nd round (he went early in the 3rd to the Falcons) if they hadn't traded up for Losman. Assuming that they didn't draft a QB that year, I suspect that they would have taken a close look at Aaron Rogers with that #20 pick in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyT Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 hindsight sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Yes, that's right. And instead of 198 other players, all 32 teams had at least 4 chances to draft Tom Brady in 2000. Instead, the following QB's were drafted: Chad Pennington (NYJ), Giovanni Carmazzi (SF), Chris Redman (Bal), Tee Martin (Oak), Marc Bulger (NO), and Spergon Wynn (Cle). The draft is an art, not a science. Nobody gets it right every time. Let it go. And as to the teams that look like they get it right every time, it's because they have a good coach that knows how to accentuate what players do well. It's not because the players those teams draft are markedly better than everyone else. You can nit-pick any teams' draft with a "you could've had this guy" mentality. I think most of us were scratching our heads wondering why we drafted Whitner over Ngata. It was painfully obvious at the time we needed a DT. And yes, the draft is a crap shoot, nobody is going to get it right all the time. We've had terrible coaches since Levy retired as coach and I doubt that will change as long as Ralph is still the owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 sack, fumble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 It would have been stupid to take Cutler atthat point. Obviously, we all know losman sucks now. But there was still debate of how much he sucked. He deserved another year (of course, he proved he sucked). But you don't get the team better by chasing QBs every year. Build around Trent, sign a veteran QB, and draft a QB in the middle rounds. I think the Falcons, Ravens, Jets and Dolphins would disagree with you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I think the Falcons, Ravens, Jets and Dolphins would disagree with you there. Huh? Please point out where either of those teams drafted a QBs in the first round in 3 years, like the Bills would have done with Cutler after drafting Losman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Huh? Please point out where either of those teams drafted a QBs in the first round in 3 years, like the Bills would have done with Cutler after drafting Losman. My point is they all have new qb's this year, with the Falcons and Ravens using first round rookies and all are doing well. So if you have any questions about the qb on your roster and there is a franchise qb there, you take him. The Jets and Fins both had 2nd round qb's on their roster, didn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 sack, fumble I lol'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Because he showed promise and could not deliver. Just like this team in general! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 My point is they all have new qb's this year, with the Falcons and Ravens using first round rookies and all are doing well. So if you have any questions about the qb on your roster and there is a franchise qb there, you take him. The Jets and Fins both had 2nd round qb's on their roster, didn't they? They had to use them. You don't think if the Ravens subbed Pennington (who was obtained for a 7th round pick), they won't be in the same spot? At the other end of the spectrum, the Titans are using crappy Kerry Collins over a former #3 pick in the draft. The Fins have sucked for years because they chased QBs. And the Jets are an improved team but that has much to do with an improved o-line and defense than it does with Favre. The Bills will be a better team in 2009 if they draft an impact pass rusher than they would be drafting Sam Bradford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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