Defend Trent Now

[Virgil]

Check out the Video Link go to 1:30. AT 1:33 Trent receives the snap, at 1:35 he has to get rid of it before he gets killed.

 

I'm not saying that his protection didn't suck. I'm just saying that throwing a pick-6 was not the right decision. It was a mistake that he made that I believe ended up costing the game. You are making it sound like he made the only possible decision

[thebug]

I'm not saying that his protection didn't suck. I'm just saying that throwing a pick-6 was not the right decision. It was a mistake that he made that I believe ended up costing the game. You are making it sound like he made the only possible decision

 

 

No schitt....he was trying to complete the pass. I'm pretty sure if he new the outcome, he might have done something different. What do you think his othe options were (with little time to react)?

[TheChimp]

Are there really still people here who think that JP Losman is even half as smart as Edwards is? He has a fantastic arm, and if he ever gets a coach that lets him run when he gets confused by the reads, or even creates DESIGNED runs for him, he might actually be fun to watch. But he simply can't make his reads, or throw short quick passes accurately, and these are not opinions, these are proven facts. Big whoop. The supporting cast is still not as full of primetime players as it needs to be, and the playcalling is still mediocre, so EITHER QB is gonna have major bad days occasionally, until THOSE two things are addressed. Can't be consistent if your Captains and coaches are not that good, can you?

[keepthefaith]

Are there really still people here who think that JP Losman is even half as smart as Edwards is? He has a fantastic arm, and if he ever gets a coach that lets him run when he gets confused by the reads, or even creates DESIGNED runs for him, he might actually be fun to watch. But he simply can't make his reads, or throw short quick passes accurately, and these are not opinions, these are proven facts. Big whoop. The supporting cast is still not as full of primetime players as it needs to be, and the playcalling is still mediocre, so EITHER QB is gonna have major bad days occasionally, until THOSE two things are addressed. Can't be consistent if your Captains and coaches are not that good, can you?

 

You do know that the claim that JP doesn't throw short accuratly is a myth, right? JPs completion percentage on short passes (and long for that matter) was better than that of Trent's last year. Those numbers (broken down by yardage) have been posted on this board more than once. Also JP was more accurate this past pre-season and also this year in the time he has played. So for Trent's career in Buffalo, JP has a higher completion percentage both short and overall. That is a fact. I don't have time to dig for last year's numbers but if you look, that is exactly what you'll find with absolute certainty.

 

As for the rest of your "proven facts". We really don't know the coaches reasons for making the change and probably never will. This is not to say that Trent won't be a very good starter. We've seen evidence of that. JP with a fresh start may be as well as you pointed out.

[keepthefaith]

No schitt....he was trying to complete the pass. I'm pretty sure if he new the outcome, he might have done something different. What do you think his othe options were (with little time to react)?

 

Aaron Rogers, 6 years $66 million. Trent needs to get his act together. A lot of money at stake.

[Thirdborn]

I'm not a JP supporter, I'm a Bills fan. When JP had fumbles or Int's and people defended him, everyone just accused them of making excuses for their boy. Trent, has now given away two straight division games. He is doing exactly what he did last year of having a strong first few games, and then mediocre at best. I'm sorry, but Trent has not proved anything yet.

 

Now, I know there are some "Trent can do no wrong" fans out there. So please, defend the guy who just wasted a 4-1 start to me.

 

Bills from 1-3 in last 4 games. Playoffs?!?!?!

 

Trent is the best QB we've had since Kelly ..... He's only 2 years old for christs sake.

[scoring is not hardy]

Trent is the best QB we've had since Kelly ..... He's only 2 years old for christs sake.

 

Just wait till he hits puberty!

[Buftex]

You do know that the claim that JP doesn't throw short accuratly is a myth, right? JPs completion percentage on short passes (and long for that matter) was better than that of Trent's last year. Those numbers (broken down by yardage) have been posted on this board more than once. Also JP was more accurate this past pre-season and also this year in the time he has played. So for Trent's career in Buffalo, JP has a higher completion percentage both short and overall. That is a fact. I don't have time to dig for last year's numbers but if you look, that is exactly what you'll find with absolute certainty.

 

As for the rest of your "proven facts". We really don't know the coaches reasons for making the change and probably never will. This is not to say that Trent won't be a very good starter. We've seen evidence of that. JP with a fresh start may be as well as you pointed out.

 

For a QB with such amazing stats, you would think JP would be a lot better, huh?

 

I can't believe someone is actually bringing up JP's pre-season completion percentage into this...if that was relevant, Edwards would have been the starter, week one last season...

[Orton's Arm]

yet when losman had performances like this, it was excuses...

 

you can't have it both ways. edwards played like crap.

Losman had performances like this? Trent threw for 289 yards averaging 8.3 yards per pass attempt. This, on a day when the Jets had no reason whatsoever to show the slightest hint of respect to the Bills' running game.

 

That's a very solid body of work, except for the three turnovers. As for those three turnovers . . . the first interception wouldn't have happened had Parrish not slipped. The fumble was a result of a missed block. The second interception was a poorly thrown ball.

 

There were some things Edwards could have done better today, as he'd be the first to tell you. But quite frankly, your assessment of his play makes you seem eager to lay the Bills' offensive problems at his feet, whether he's responsible for them or not. Overall, Edwards is one of a very small number of bright spots on our offense. Expect things to look brighter once Reed returns.

[reddogblitz]

I'm FAR FAR more concerned about a defense that allows a drive of 8:41, after seizing the momentum and once again puts the offense in a bad position.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

Take away the 10 points off of turnovers and the defense gave up 16 points. The defense is fine. Should be good enough to win against a team with a bad defense. Take away our points on turnovers and our offense scored 10 points. Not good enough to win against hardly anybody.

 

Like it or not, when the offense does good the QB gets the credit. When they do bad, the QB gets the grief. That's just the way it is.

 

Trent did fine most of the game, but bottom line, he's got to stop turning over the freakin' football.

[reddogblitz]

Trent is the best QB we've had since Kelly ..... He's only 2 years old for christs sake.

 

No, Flutie is the best QB we've had since Kelly left.

[Wilson from Gamehendge]

growing pains folks. he is still very young and inexperienced in certain game situations. give it a rest...and some time.

 

 

lets all focus on the positive things we have seen this year, from trent and the team.

[PNW_Bills_Fan]

I'm not a JP supporter, I'm a Bills fan. When JP had fumbles or Int's and people defended him, everyone just accused them of making excuses for their boy. Trent, has now given away two straight division games. He is doing exactly what he did last year of having a strong first few games, and then mediocre at best. I'm sorry, but Trent has not proved anything yet.

 

Now, I know there are some "Trent can do no wrong" fans out there. So please, defend the guy who just wasted a 4-1 start to me.

 

Bills from 1-3 in last 4 games. Playoffs?!?!?!

 

I don't have to. He will with the next 8 games. He has looked good in 5 games. "Stunk" in two games, we might as well trade him for a draft pick

[Thirdborn]

No, Flutie is the best QB we've had since Kelly left.

 

 

Oh no, you didn't.

[Virgil]

That's a very solid body of work, except for the three turnovers. As for those three turnovers . . . the first interception wouldn't have happened had Parrish not slipped. The fumble was a result of a missed block. The second interception was a poorly thrown ball.

 

I'm sorry, but what? This is exactly what I'm talking about. Trent messed up. Why can't that just be the answer?

 

Listen, I don't want JP in the game. I like him, but Trent is better. But does that make him infallable? Trent lost this game for us. It's that simple. I don't understand how he got up so hign on this perch

[Thirdborn]

Just wait till he hits puberty!

 

Precisely

[bowery4]

I'm sorry, but what? This is exactly what I'm talking about. Trent messed up. Why can't that just be the answer?

 

Listen, I don't want JP in the game. I like him, but Trent is better. But does that make him infallable? Trent lost this game for us. It's that simple. I don't understand how he got up so hign on this perch

All the well thought out answers on this board didn't convince you of anything and I can't believe you are playing your thread out this long, why is everybody wasting time with arguing with you? OK, you win, TRENT cost us the game.

 

Happy now

BTW, you are a first class

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

buttplug.

[Hanoverbills]

I don't have to. He will with the next 8 games. He has looked good in 5 games. "Stunk" in two games, we might as well trade him for a draft pick

Edwards lucky Mularkys' not here,he would be bench after two bad games in a row.He wouldn't been given a chance to work through his mistakes.

[Hanoverbills]

Yeah, when the Jets don't have to defend the run, they can throw a bunch of people back to cover our receivers. That's why it looked like Trent held the ball a bit too long at times. The root in this case: lack of a decent running game to offest that sort of crap.

How many people out there thought A-train was a good running back?Last year when we lost to Jacksonville and New England two games in a row,he was our starting running back.Lynch was hurt and we weren't using Jackson that much then.Your are correct no running game doesn't help the QB .

[cåblelady]

Trent Edwards can kiss my azz. Yeah. I'm STILL po'd!

[Gary M]

Yep. With no running game, and crap pass blocking, what did you

think would happen??

 

Ain't Edwards fault. Blame both the O-line for poor run and pass blocking,

and the D-line for poor pash rush...again....

 

Those same arguments were made last year for JP, but were shot down.

 

So what next?

[keepthefaith]

For a QB with such amazing stats, you would think JP would be a lot better, huh?

 

I can't believe someone is actually bringing up JP's pre-season completion percentage into this...if that was relevant, Edwards would have been the starter, week one last season...

 

That wasn't the point. The point is that JP is just as accurate or more accurate than Trent on short throws. Critism is fine, but let's at least be accurate about how we criticize a player. I don't think JP is on the bench due to accuracy.

[ieatcrayonz]

That's a very solid body of work, except for the three turnovers. As for those three turnovers . . . the first interception wouldn't have happened had Parrish not slipped. The fumble was a result of a missed block. The second interception was a poorly thrown ball.

While I understand that Trent made a mistake by not giving up another half a turnover, I think you have to at least give him credit for looking like a combination of Rob Johnson and Todd Collins on the fumble and who knows what on the pick 6.

[Realist]

I don't really blame Edwards, actually to me, he looks pretty good for a second year QB (and I was an all out JP supporter last year). Edwards will not thrive if he has absolutely NO running game. The onus is on the OLine to open up some holes for the Running backs. Without the running game, Edwards probably feels like he has to do everything himself and finds himself holding the ball too long or attempting the more difficult throws (INT for TD yesterday).

[davefan66]

Dude your dumb!

 

Teams don't respect the long pass and therefor don't worry about it, and no Trent can't throw the ball 50+ yards in the air. The longer the throw the more his ball floats and that is because of his poor throwing mechanics. His short passes and intermediate one are okay but the long attempts suck.

 

Because of teams lack of respect for the long ball they stack the box. The safeties don't worry about double covering the

WRs because they know he isn't throwing anything more than about 15 yards in the air. Other teams don't respect this offense. Until Trent can keep the safeties honest i'm afraid it's going to be more of the same in the coming weeks.

 

Dumb? Why thank you.

 

Actually, if Trent had more than 2 seconds to get rid of the ball, and a running game,

THAT WOULD OPEN THE LONGER PASSING GAME!

 

No running game + poor pass block = short passing game

[davefan66]

It doesn't take a 50+ yard pass to stretch the D. It take the OC to call a couple of pass plays of more than 20 yards to get it done. It's not because he can't throw the ball 50+ yards in the air, it's because of the play calling, and the fact that our O line can't block long enough for a player to run a long pattern.

 

[FreakPop]

Dumb? Why thank you.

 

Actually, if Trent had more than 2 seconds to get rid of the ball, and a running game,

THAT WOULD OPEN THE LONGER PASSING GAME!

 

No running game + poor pass block = short passing game

 

 

Trent has had plenty of time to throw the ball. Don't know which games you have been watching.

[K-9]

Trent has had plenty of time to throw the ball. Don't know which games you have been watching.

 

Yeah, teams have SO LITTLE respect for our ability to go deep that Evans constantly faces man-over double coverage every game. JUST LIKE LAST YEAR. Seems to me if teams didn't have to worry about the threat of a deep pass by Edwards, they wouldn't waste the defensive resources to double up Evans. Since the Houston game of '06 that's been the case. DCs have made it clear that our ability to go deep to Evans, REGARDLESS OF WHO OUR QB IS, is the SINGLE most important facet to take away from our offense.

 

Ask yourself why DCs would do that.

 

The answer is obvious to even the biggest of us dumbies around here.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Guest dog14787]

Trent has had plenty of time to throw the ball. Don't know which games you have been watching.

 

I'm watching the remains of Steve Fairchilds pathetic style offense still cause problems!!!

 

 

At what point do we scrap this BS and just start over again, we can't do any worst and can you tell me we we simply refuse to run some form of the no huddle? Is Dick Jauron's conservative, layed back nature steering us in the wrong direction?

 

We try a fake punt on our side of the playing field, but yet we don't have the balls to take more chances down the field?

 

I praised Turk Shonert allot towards the start of the season, maybe I was way to premature to give praise to an unproven OC and an unproven offense. To watch the Patriots and the Colts play last night, the Bills offensive schemes and playcalling looks very primative and predictable in comparison.

 

I made comments about how Belicheat and the Pats where nothing without Tom Brady earlier on this season, but you take penalties, playcalling on both sides of the ball, everything that goes on in a ballgame, and the Patriots coaching staff makes the Buffalo Bills coaching staff look like a joke!!!

 

So we give Dick Jauron an extension so he can come out with a team and play, sloppy, uninspired and filled with mistakes football!!!

 

You got to be kidding me!!!

[billsfreak]

I would defend Trent on the fumble, he does need a little help from the linemen. I dont think the line even attempted to block on those plays, even Phil Simms stated that it should be put on the OL. I put the int for a TD pretty much on Trent, the DB suckered him in on that throw, the int at the end happens to all qb's in last minute desperation throws. I did see flashes of JP in there, and some of the posts here are correct, he isn't playing as smart as he did the first quarter of the season-any chance he is still either physically or mentally feeling the effects from the concusion? I am along with all the true Bills fans in hoping they turn it around, but I don't have a very confident feeling this weekend, after watching them for the last couple weekends. How many times do they have to try Fred Jackson on 4th and 1 only to get stuffed to realize he isn't a power back?

[billsfreak]

JP is on the bench because of his inability to make the mental decisions. He has more physical tools then Trent Edwards will ever dream of having, but he looks like a Hall of Famer on one play than looks like Akili Smith on the next with some stupid on field decision.

[blzrul]

Trent hasn't been himself since he came back from the concussion. It's good to see he's still hanging in the pocket, so he's not gunshy. But I wonder if he still has some cobwebs.

 

I'm not happy about the two losses but to keep it in perspective, yesterday was Trent's 16th start (first full year). I think even with his mistakes etc he's got the right stuff.

[Hazed and Amuzed]

Why is everyone calling out Trent when Marshawn has flat out sucked the last 2 games? I think a lot of you idiots just can't let go of precious JP. So many people on here have an agenda and can't stand to be wrong. Get over yourselves and either enjoy this team or go root for another. Trent played like a 2nd year QB with no time yesterday and while he might have played like sh--, he still played better then both Lynch and Evans(who could not get open). Rag on them.

 

This board is full of people that NEED to say "Na, Na I told you so" and they barely have a leg to stand on.

 

 

Trent haters = McCain supporters. Grasping at straws. Get over it folks, you look foolish.

 

 

Now, bring it.

[eliteqb]

I think other teams have compiled a book on us and are responding appropriately. We haven't countered yet......

[bizell]

Trent hasn't been himself since he came back from the concussion. It's good to see he's still hanging in the pocket, so he's not gunshy. But I wonder if he still has some cobwebs.

 

that'd be a valid excuse, but how does that explain his career-best day @ san diego... which occured after the concussion?

[I Billieve]

I am sick of fair weather fans. Everyone comes. On here after the games and either proclaims superbowl or lays out a bunch of trash talk. Get over it. Teams have bad games. We have a second year quarterback that has played like one the past two games. Are you really surprised? Before that he played like a pro and everyone wanted to get on their knees for him.

Stop blamng the game on Trent. Yea he made mistakes but if the defense hadn't let favre take the jets down the field for 10 min in the 4th quarter and give up a fg we would have been down 6 with some time to rally like we did in the first 4 games.

 

Enough with JP. He has some positives about him but his pocket presence is terrible. Everytime he takes 8-9 steps back and let's the pocket close on him. Not around him.

Trent is the guy we want in there. Jp is still a great backup though.

 

We have a tough push a head of us but show some buffalo pride and do it like they do, one game at a time

[Hazed and Amuzed]

I am sick of fair weather fans. Everyone comes.

 

 

Not everyone, I knew this one girl...

[keepthefaith]

Why is everyone calling out Trent when Marshawn has flat out sucked the last 2 games? I think a lot of you idiots just can't let go of precious JP. So many people on here have an agenda and can't stand to be wrong. Get over yourselves and either enjoy this team or go root for another. Trent played like a 2nd year QB with no time yesterday and while he might have played like sh--, he still played better then both Lynch and Evans(who could not get open). Rag on them.

 

This board is full of people that NEED to say "Na, Na I told you so" and they barely have a leg to stand on.

 

 

Trent haters = McCain supporters. Grasping at straws. Get over it folks, you look foolish.

 

 

Now, bring it.

 

Trent's getting called out more than he deserves simply because JP was often unfairly critized here. Just backlash from that.

 

Lynch has nowhere to run. No holes and the defense is anticipating the plays and overloading the LOS on ruinning plays.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

While I agree with the mistakes that TE made, the problem I have with stating that he cost us the game, besides him, who else made any plays? There was a no running attack, little stops defensively in the game, yes, they didn't give up TD's, but allowed the Jets to move down the field. One thing TE does appear to be very good at is moving the chains and he did do that yesterday throughout the game. Last year, he'd dink it for 3 yards and after three of them we'd have to punt. This year he is getting first downs from it. So without TE out there yesterday, who would have done anything? With no running game when you get down closer to the goal line, it makes it tougher to get it in when everyone is dropping back in coverage. It also helps when you don't need to blitz as our O-line allows you to pressure with three guys.

 

I don't have any stats to back this up, but I'd be surprised to see that any QB who throws more than 40 times a game doesn't have similar number of bad plays, fumbles, ints, sacks, etc. When you throw that much, bad things are going to happen.

 

 

Overall, I don't think Trent is the problem. Yes, he lost this game for us. Sure the D could have won it back, but Trent did the damage that lost the game. Argue it all you want, but it's what I believe. Trent also lost last week for us. But still, even with that being true, I blame the coaches.

[Hazed and Amuzed]

Trent's getting called out more than he deserves simply because JP was often unfairly critized here. Just backlash from that.

 

Lynch has nowhere to run. No holes and the defense is anticipating the plays and overloading the LOS on ruinning plays.

 

 

I can agree with that.