Fingon Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 He was taken out last night in the first quarter... after throwing his 3rd INT in his last 5 drives, and Warner will be named the starter for this season, according to ESPN. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3551359 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 Maybe Marv wasn't so dumb... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 I knew we'd regret it when we passed him up in the draft. EDIT: Let me be the first...(ahem)...Let's trade Losman for Leinart! PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 I knew we'd regret it when we passed him up in the draft. EDIT: Let me be the first...(ahem)...Let's trade Losman for Leinart! PTR No thanks id rather have JP than Leinart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicholasCal1 Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 Matts more focused on drinking funels of beer and hanging out with hot chicks. He got paid why should he care lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tux of Borg Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 A bust after one presason game? He had a decent rookie year and was injured all of last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted August 24, 2008 Author Share Posted August 24, 2008 A bust after one presason game? He had a decent rookie year and was injured all of last year. he's been terrible in TC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 he's been terrible in TC He's been terrible since he entered the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 Maybe Marv wasn't so dumb... Gee, someone in the FO of the Bills knows more than a bunch of idiots?! Hard to believe. When I say idiots I mean myself too. Even though I was glad they passed on Leinart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JK2000 Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 Why would they even have a competition to begin with? Didn't Warner have a nice season last year? If it ain't broke don't break it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 A bust after one presason game? He had a decent rookie year and was injured all of last year. This is a clear strike against Leinart's progress since the Cardinals would've preferred him to win the job for obvious reasons. Of course none of the inevitable onslaught of "I told you so" cheerleaders in this thread will say anything about how they once favorably compared JP to Roethlisburger, especially when they can't even use the "he has a great OL" excuse anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 He's probably just a guy who needs a change of scenery and a new system. I think that if he had been drafted by the Titans, instead of VY, Leinart would be talked about as one of the best young QB's in the league and Norm Chow would still be the offensive coordinator. Leinart is a good QB, but is having trouble transitioning into the NFL on a team that isn't that great. At USC, he was on one of the best teams in the country for 4 years and surrounded by the best players in the NCAA. This is a whole new ball game. Let's not forget that the guy he's competing against is a former NFL MVP whose had some AWESOME seasons playing the position. One year he had 41 TD's and 4,400 yards, then he had another season with 36 TD's and over 4,800 yards. Warner is no slouch and was on fire at the end of last season. This is no huge shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodnarb Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 Maybe Marv wasn't so dumb... If anyone had ever questioned the wisdom of ANY general manager for not taking Leinart high in the draft, they were probably basing their judgment on the assumptions born of his celebrity. Leinart is too Hollywood - too interested in "The Life", and I don't mean the football life. He has never looked impressive to me despite having two top ten WRs to throw to. He's also fragile and would probably HATE playing for a cold weather team. Can you imagine Leinart throwing a deep out in 20 degree weather with a stiff cross wind? That one's going the other way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 He's probably just a guy who needs a change of scenery and a new system. I think that if he had been drafted by the Titans, instead of VY, Leinart would be talked about as one of the best young QB's in the league and Norm Chow would still be the offensive coordinator. Leinart is a good QB, but is having trouble transitioning into the NFL on a team that isn't that great. At USC, he was on one of the best teams in the country for 4 years and surrounded by the best players in the NCAA. This is a whole new ball game. Let's not forget that the guy he's competing against is a former NFL MVP whose had some AWESOME seasons playing the position. One year he had 41 TD's and 4,400 yards, then he had another season with 36 TD's and over 4,800 yards. Warner is no slouch and was on fire at the end of last season. This is no huge shocker. Except that Leinart has 2 Pro Bowl WR's, a former Pro Bowl RB, and an OC who developed Big Ben. Maybe he needs the Pro Bowl TE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billnutinphoenix Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 A bust after one presason game? He had a decent rookie year and was injured all of last year. Down here in AZ, we all know that Leinart isn't that special! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 If anyone had ever questioned the wisdom of ANY general manager for not taking Leinart high in the draft, they were probably basing their judgment on the assumptions born of his celebrity. Leinart is too Hollywood - too interested in "The Life", and I don't mean the football life. He has never looked impressive to me despite having two top ten WRs to throw to. He's also fragile and would probably HATE playing for a cold weather team. Can you imagine Leinart throwing a deep out in 20 degree weather with a stiff cross wind? That one's going the other way.... Ooohhh... Bob Matthews is rolling over in the grave where whatever talent and insight he once had is buried! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb1094 Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 It it too early to tell if he's a bust, he could be a solid back up somewhere I suppose.....Would you call Todd Collins a bust?, he's a premier back up and he was drafted in the first round I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twist_to_open Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 Some players just enter the pros with more hype than talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 It it too early to tell if he's a bust, he could be a solid back up somewhere I suppose.....Would you call Todd Collins a bust?, he's a premier back up and he was drafted in the first round I believe Absolutely. He was horrible in Buffalo - he had a serious issue w/ that "deer in the headlights" look. 10 or so years as a 3rd stringer got him to the point that he doesn't look AS bad, but I still wouldn't rate him any higher than an average backup at best. 2nd round picks (#45 overall) aren't drafted to be career 3rd stringers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 It it too early to tell if he's a bust, he could be a solid back up somewhere I suppose.....Would you call Todd Collins a bust?, he's a premier back up and he was drafted in the first round I believe Got to credit Dan Henning for grooming him into a nice backup 11 years down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 He plays for a bad team, that will always be bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StupidNation Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 Great because Leinart sucks. Just glad we don't have him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 Absolutely. He was horrible in Buffalo - he had a serious issue w/ that "deer in the headlights" look. 10 or so years as a 3rd stringer got him to the point that he doesn't look AS bad, but I still wouldn't rate him any higher than an average backup at best. 2nd round picks (#45 overall) aren't drafted to be career 3rd stringers. Yeah, he was a 2nd rounder and he was a bust as far as Buffalo is concerned. He cared enough to not flame out instantly like, say, Cade McNown and has made a career as an extra arm in training camps and a clipboard carrier. Speaking of 2nd rounders, that leads to the point that teams want to draft solid players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds to compliment the superstars from the 1st round. Butler's last drafts going back to Collins netted: Tillman, Moore, Price, Bryson, Cowart, Hicks, Wiley, Northern, Stevens, Collins, Kerner, and Covington. Comparing that to Donahoe: Schobel, Henry, Edwards, Jennings, Reed, Denney, Wire, Kelsay, Crowell, Anderson, Parrish, and Everett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Sylvan Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 Kurt Warner is extremely underrated, and being worse than Kurt Warner isn't a bad thing. As for Leinart....this goes similar to the JP arguments, but let's remember he plays on a line with Mike (Turnstile) Gandy and has what, 1 year of Actual playing experience? Also, come out and admit it, which of you guys posted in the "Matt Leinart has it" thread way back when? Claiming how great of a QB he'd be by now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellDressed Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 yEA, BUTt some say he's a sexy beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tux of Borg Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 I'm sure Warner will lose the starting job to Leinart sometime during the regular season. You won't know till the end of this season if Leinart is a bust or not. His rookie numbers were slightly better than Edwards. I do agree his arm strength and his work ethics are questionable, but he's not like Ken Dorsey whom you knew wouldn't make it in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 Absolutely. He was horrible in Buffalo - I disagree. A player's primary goal in the NFL is to make as much money as possible. If they perform so much the better. Figure Collins made any where from $10 to $20 million in his career. That is NOT being a bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 I'm sure Warner will lose the starting job to Leinart sometime during the regular season. You won't know till the end of this season if Leinart is a bust or not. His rookie numbers were slightly better than Edwards. I do agree his arm strength and his work ethics are questionable, but he's not like Ken Dorsey whom you knew wouldn't make it in this league. I'd say that's a pretty safe bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 I disagree. A player's primary goal in the NFL is to make as much money as possible. If they perform so much the better. Figure Collins made any where from $10 to $20 million in his career. That is NOT being a bust What? Doesn't that disqualify every first round pick from being a bust? Who is a bust? Clarence Coleman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 I disagree. A player's primary goal in the NFL is to make as much money as possible. If they perform so much the better. Figure Collins made any where from $10 to $20 million in his career. That is NOT being a bust From HIS perspective, I'd be surprised if he considers himself a "bust". But I'd also be surprised to find out he was pleased that he went ~12 years between starts. There is no way the Bills don't consider him a bust. Again, you don't draft a guy in the 2nd round to have him carry a clipboard for another team for a decade. From your perspective, was Mike Williams a bust? He made a few MM. AVP wasn't a bust, but I'm not certain he was even drafted. AVP over the length of his career had to have made a few MM as well. Had he been a 2nd rounder, then he'd have been a bust. For Collins to not be considered a bust, he should be compared to the Bledsoes of the league, not the AVP's and Gale Gilberts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 At USC, he was on one of the best teams in the country for 4 years and surrounded by the best players in the NCAA. He was surrounded by the best players in the PAC-10, not the NCAA. That is an enormous difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRW Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 Got to credit Dan Henning for grooming him into a nice backup 11 years down the road. Henning saw and was able to nurture the seeds that would eventually blossom into mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodnarb Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 Ooohhh... Bob Matthews is rolling over in the grave where whatever talent and insight he once had is buried! The day I take Bob Matthew's opinions on football seriously is the day that I let my daughter have Bratz dolls. That is to say, a cold, cold day in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 From HIS perspective, I'd be surprised if he considers himself a "bust". But I'd also be surprised to find out he was pleased that he went ~12 years between starts. There is no way the Bills don't consider him a bust. Again, you don't draft a guy in the 2nd round to have him carry a clipboard for another team for a decade. From your perspective, was Mike Williams a bust? He made a few MM. AVP wasn't a bust, but I'm not certain he was even drafted. AVP over the length of his career had to have made a few MM as well. Had he been a 2nd rounder, then he'd have been a bust. For Collins to not be considered a bust, he should be compared to the Bledsoes of the league, not the AVP's and Gale Gilberts. Well I guess it comes down to a "performance" bust vs "personal financial" bust. Yeah, MW made a fortune, throw in Rob Johnson too for kicks. And the Jason Peters episode supports my idea of "making as much as you can" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 It it too early to tell if he's a bust, he could be a solid back up somewhere I suppose.....Would you call Todd Collins a bust?, he's a premier back up and he was drafted in the first round I believe i think the others missed the sarcasm of that post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 i think the others missed the sarcasm of that post. Good thing I countered it with my own sarcasm so that I can pretend like I was just playing along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 Good thing I countered it with my own sarcasm so that I can pretend like I was just playing along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairweather fan Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 It it too early to tell if he's a bust, he could be a solid back up somewhere I suppose.....Would you call Todd Collins a bust?, he's a premier back up and he was drafted in the first round I believeAgreed, some quarterbacks take several years to "get it". Look at Jacksonville's starting quarterback. Unfortunately, there are usually only two quarterbacks carried on most rosters (with a reciever who played the position in college penciled in as the third quarterback), and first string only practices with first string. Looking back, I have seen many quarterbacks who could have made a large contribution, but due to the system, the coach, and scout's asses on the line for their picks for the draft, they never got a chance. Tom Brady would be in his fourth year of selling insurance, if it wasn't for the hit on Bledsoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Ooohhh... Bob Matthews is rolling over in the grave where whatever talent and insight he once had is buried! Jeebuz, Bob Matthews is a bigger knucklehead than some of the ones who post here. I am amazed he writes for areal newspaper. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Jeebuz, Bob Matthews is a bigger knucklehead than some of the ones who post here. I am amazed he writes for areal newspaper. PTR Too true... nice to know I am not the only one remembering his draft day rant on how the Bills should have drafted Leinart.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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