smuvtalker Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 I'm just befuddled here. I don't understand why we can't seem to complete a pass for over 10 yards, let alone 15. Is it Kelly Holcomb and his weak arm, always checking down to a short route? Is it Tom Clements and his predictive play calling? Is it the offensive line's inability to pass-block? Is it Mike Mularkey's refusal to grab the reins from TC? Is it our receivers? Someone please shed some light for me... I tried to create a poll but think I must've done something wrong.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 I'm just befuddled here. I don't understand why we can't seem to complete a pass for over 10 yards, let alone 15. Is it Kelly Holcomb and his weak arm, always checking down to a short route? Is it Tom Clements and his predictive play calling? Is it the offensive line's inability to pass-block? Is it Mike Mularkey's refusal to grab the reins from TC? Is it our receivers? Someone please shed some light for me... I tried to create a poll but think I must've done something wrong.. 483859[/snapback] kelly holcomb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 The o-line. Can't get he time it takes for a long route when the D is in your face all game. Sat in the end zone . When he did have someone open, he was running for his life. On the 18(?) yard sack one of the receivers was wide open about 25 yards downfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdelma Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Its MM offense that he brought from Pitt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doza Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 McGahee needs to shut his trap. He is far from the best back in the league, and he showed it yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted October 24, 2005 Author Share Posted October 24, 2005 McGahee needs to shut his trap. He is far from the best back in the league, and he showed it yesterday. 484424[/snapback] I agree to a certain extent. I don't believe he's earned the right yet to proclaim himself the best back in the league. I also don't think it was a smart move to stir up the Raiders by saying they need to worry about what you're going to do to them. That's just plain silly in my opinion. I do feel that you have to have a certain level of confidence though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-dog Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Yep it must be Willis' fault they can't complete a pass. Actually Willis is blocking better picking up the blitz. Reasons why, lack of arm strength, o-line can't hold blocks long enough for routes to develop, and coaching. I guess that covers it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doza Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Yep it must be Willis' fault they can't complete a pass. Actually Willis is blocking better picking up the blitz. Reasons why, lack of arm strength, o-line can't hold blocks long enough for routes to develop, and coaching. I guess that covers it all. 484430[/snapback] The loss is partially his fault. When you incite the other team to focus on you and can't deliver - its really a questionable move since the entire Bills O is built off his threat for big runs, and then PA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Is it Kelly Holcomb and his weak arm, always checking down to a short route? Is it Tom Clements and his predictive play calling? Is it the offensive line's inability to pass-block? Is it Mike Mularkey's refusal to grab the reins from TC? Is it our receivers? 483859[/snapback] Yes,yes,yes,yes and yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 The loss is partially his fault. When you incite the other team to focus on you and can't deliver - its really a questionable move since the entire Bills O is built off his threat for big runs, and then PA. 484434[/snapback] Perhaps - but when the D gives up 6 scores in 10 possessions, McGahee moves down my list of people to blame.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted October 24, 2005 Author Share Posted October 24, 2005 Perhaps - but when the D gives up 6 scores in 10 possessions, McGahee moves down my list of people to blame.... 484447[/snapback] Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Eric Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 The o-line. Can't get he time it takes for a long route when the D is in your face all game. Sat in the end zone . When he did have someone open, he was running for his life. On the 18(?) yard sack one of the receivers was wide open about 25 yards downfield. 484139[/snapback] Ditto. When an OL can not pass protect how can any QB have the time to allow a WR to get downfield. Blame it on whom you wish, but the bottom line is that the OL is not executing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 McGahee needs to shut his trap. He is far from the best back in the league, and he showed it yesterday. 484424[/snapback] Why.....Doesn't yesterday game reflect on our OL inability to hold their blocks Your QB/WR/RBs are only as good as the line in front of them....THis game this line could not do anything right........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Add a weak WEAK O-line, to a defense that gives up so many points it puts us into obvious passing situations, and you get to the point where the QB has to get the snap and chuck the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinandjokin Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 The line is bad, but Holcomb sucks. He's a backup. From today's Buffalo News: Raiders safety Stuart Schweigert said Oakland wasn't too worried about the deep ball. "He doesn't have the strongest arm," Schweigert said of Holcomb, "so we knew they weren't going to throw the ball downfield." That's great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 The loss is partially his fault. When you incite the other team to focus on you and can't deliver - its really a questionable move since the entire Bills O is built off his threat for big runs, and then PA. 484434[/snapback] You can hardly blame Willis on this one. He only ran the ball 16 times and that was because the defense gave up so many, we no longer could run the ball because we needed to play catch-up. Someone please tell me why on earth when we get to the goal line we come up with the dumbest plays instead of just running Willis? I agreed with going for it on 4th, but when I heard Shelton getting the ball, I was like "What the F___?" Clements is always trying to outsmart the opponent and ends up hurting us, its unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-dog Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Don't you know our coaches are the smartest in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 The o-line. 484139[/snapback] Looks like you're in good company... "I don't think I've ever been hit so much," Holcomb said. "They've got a good defensive line. We knew coming in here that they could rush the passer. We had some calls (to throw downfield), but what do you do when you're having some protection problems and you can't hold up?" http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20051...?tbd1005044.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Perhaps - but when the D gives up 6 scores in 10 possessions, McGahee moves down my list of people to blame.... 484447[/snapback] Stop being reasonable. My favorite off-season witticism: "Pat Willians is only on the field for 1/3rd of our plays" Based upon scientific results it is possible to support the conclusion the they are the most important 1/3rd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 From where I was sitting, it looked like the coaching staff has zero confidence in KH's ability to throw downfield. It looks a lot like the way they were treating Lindell last year. I recall on at least three occasions yesterday where the Bills were in third-and-long situations. Instead of letting KH chuck it, they called draw plays and screens. It was complete giving up. Of course, I also recall KH throwing downfield all of, what, four times this year? And three of those were picked off, right? I like KH, I think we have a better chance to win with him right now, but the coaches need to figure something out to make up for his apparent rag arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Of course, I also recall KH throwing downfield all of, what, four times this year? And three of those were picked off, right? 484642[/snapback] Well, KH only has 2 picks so far this season, and only one came on a deep ball (vs the Jets). But whatever, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Well, KH only has 2 picks so far this season, and only one came on a deep ball (vs the Jets). But whatever, right? 484708[/snapback] My bad, I acknowledged I was just going off memory (which is obviously flawed) with the "right?" at the end of my sentence. So, should I persume that you attacked that one point of mine because you also disagree with my other points? Those were, by the way, that the coaches appear to have no confidence in KH throwing downfield, but KH is still the Bills best bet right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 From where I was sitting, it looked like the coaching staff has zero confidence in KH's ability to throw downfield. It looks a lot like the way they were treating Lindell last year. I recall on at least three occasions yesterday where the Bills were in third-and-long situations. Instead of letting KH chuck it, they called draw plays and screens. It was complete giving up. 484642[/snapback] Or maybe the coaches had zero confidence in the offensive line's ability to pass protect long enough for someone to get open downfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 My bad, I acknowledged I was just going off memory (which is obviously flawed) with the "right?" at the end of my sentence. So, should I persume that you attacked that one point of mine because you also disagree with my other points? Those were, by the way, that the coaches appear to have no confidence in KH throwing downfield, but KH is still the Bills best bet right now. 484739[/snapback] Naw, just came out the wrong way. I don't disagree, this offense is just a complete vomitorium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB2004 Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 I'm just befuddled here. I don't understand why we can't seem to complete a pass for over 10 yards, let alone 15. Is it Kelly Holcomb and his weak arm, always checking down to a short route? Is it Tom Clements and his predictive play calling? Is it the offensive line's inability to pass-block? Is it Mike Mularkey's refusal to grab the reins from TC? Is it our receivers? Someone please shed some light for me... I tried to create a poll but think I must've done something wrong.. 483859[/snapback] I think it's a little bit of everything you mentioned except the first. Kelly Holcomb can throw the ball more than 15 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 I'm just befuddled here. I don't understand why we can't seem to complete a pass for over 10 yards, let alone 15. Is it Kelly Holcomb and his weak arm, always checking down to a short route? Is it Tom Clements and his predictive play calling? Is it the offensive line's inability to pass-block? Is it Mike Mularkey's refusal to grab the reins from TC? Is it our receivers? Someone please shed some light for me... I tried to create a poll but think I must've done something wrong.. 483859[/snapback] didnt tom brady complete an avg of 8 yard passes for like 3 years, if you move the ball it doesnt matter if you complete 10 yard passes or 4, the problem is our run defence every year its the same BS one year we score so much points all we needed was a decent def and this team was SB bound the next year we cant score for shizzle and our def looks like the 86 bears all we needed was an offence now again we are lacking in one department and its causing us to get hammered well i doubt that every NFL team has the best DT's in the world yet a lot of teams are able to at least keep a respectable run against avg yet us, one problem we have and teams exploit it i dont know what it is, i dont even think a primetime QB can save us, theres just a losing atmosphere in this team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambler Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Its MM offense that he brought from Pitt. 484384[/snapback] My favorite play is the 1 yard pass to the slow Tight End! Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 My favorite play is the 1 yard pass to the slow Tight End!Brilliant! 485264[/snapback] On 3rd and 9 no less!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 The o-line. Can't get he time it takes for a long route when the D is in your face all game. Sat in the end zone . When he did have someone open, he was running for his life. On the 18(?) yard sack one of the receivers was wide open about 25 yards downfield. 484139[/snapback] We're not talking about throwing the ball down field, we're talking about a 15 yard crossing pattern or a 15 yard curl. Anything other than dumping the ball off. Even on an all out blitz the WRs can easily get 15 yards down field. The QB has to pull the trigger though. That being said, you're right, the Oline's pass protection is horrid, but it's not the reason we can't even attempt a pass of more than 10 yards in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 On 3rd and 9 no less!! 485301[/snapback] But, but, but Holcomb has a completion percentage of 70%! That means he did a good job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1959BillsFan Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Its MM offense that he brought from Pitt. 484384[/snapback] Mularkey had some TALENT on that o-line in Pittsburgh. After TD left, Cowhert used higher draft selections to build his lines, and not one or two high draft picks a year either. Russ Grimm is a no nonsence o-line coach, when Grimm talks his players and other coaches listen. Plus, as the OC, Mularkey made it a point to keeps communications open between positional coaches and between the players. Here, he thinks that Clements and Gray are doing that, but is now realizing the Clements doesn't view that as his job. Clements may have been a decent QB coach but Clements is obviously in way over his head, there;s no chemistry between the offensive positional coaches much less the players. One hand doesn't know what the other is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 I'm just befuddled here. I don't understand why we can't seem to complete a pass for over 10 yards, let alone 15. Is it Kelly Holcomb and his weak arm, always checking down to a short route? Is it Tom Clements and his predictive play calling? Is it the offensive line's inability to pass-block? Is it Mike Mularkey's refusal to grab the reins from TC? Is it our receivers? Someone please shed some light for me... I tried to create a poll but think I must've done something wrong.. 483859[/snapback] Holcomb pretty much called out the O-line in the most politically correct way possible by saying he didn't have time to throw it. TD has call out the O-line by calling out the pass protection as inconsistent. I don't know how many other ways you can nicely say we're getting mauled up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 I think the 11 guys on the field, plus their coaches, are to blame. I know I'm reaching, but that's my final answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 I'm just befuddled here. I don't understand why we can't seem to complete a pass for over 10 yards, let alone 15. Is it Kelly Holcomb and his weak arm, always checking down to a short route? Is it Tom Clements and his predictive play calling? Is it the offensive line's inability to pass-block? Is it Mike Mularkey's refusal to grab the reins from TC? Is it our receivers? Someone please shed some light for me... I tried to create a poll but think I must've done something wrong.. 483859[/snapback] Its your fault- if you weren't a Bills fan, they would win the Superbowl, any team you like will continually do poorly (dripping sarcasm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Can someone tell me how Holcomb was with the deep ball back in Cleveland? Examining his tenure there in comparison should allow us to decide how big an issue his arm strength is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Or maybe the coaches had zero confidence in the offensive line's ability to pass protect long enough for someone to get open downfield. 484949[/snapback] I believe we have TBD's first official KH apologist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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