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As a Pats fan... I love JP. LOVE HIM. I wouldn't expect a win against the Pats until they can replace him with someone who can make a tough play.

Interesting thread.

Good win, guys. Miami may be very overrated, but it was a good win nonetheless.

They thought he stepped out of bounds when he jumpped. The block in the back was pretty clear. Better go back to TiVo.

Pats went for it on 4th down to end the game, and made it. Good teams will take those risks, and its the better ones that actually execute.

Pats still played like crap and pretty much dominated the second half of the game. I'd give it a few games before you go reaching for a wild card.

Hollywood Donahoe, you are doing gods work here.

Check out the Colts page, ballwashing extrodinare. They had to pick up a kicker off the street because Adam is out for a month. How is that working out for you?

Pats 31 Buffalo 0 Dillon and Maroney combine for 250 yards, Ben Watson catches 8 balls for a buck fity. (FIXED)!

You may label rose colored or whatever, but for the majority of the past 5 years, its been reality. I can also tell you that the general consensus on other message boards is that the Bills will be fighting with the Jets for one of the worst teams in the league. They could be in for another 5 win season - vegas certainly agrees. Take that for what you will.

I guess that means its impossible for the Pats to win a game. Guess how many games the Pats won last year on last minute fieldgoals? just 1, in a dome. a 34 yarder. What a toughie.

There have been quite a few close games between these two teams with the notable exception of 2003. The Bills have yet to show that they can pull out any of these "close" games. And while the Bills may have gotten better, so did the Pats. I think this board forgets all the injuries the Pats had last year and the fact they may have two of the best lines in the AFC. As I mentioned before the LB siuation is well in hand. We have Banta-Cain ready to step in with Colvin, Vrabel, and Bruschi, and now a vet in Seau to spell the others. McGinest is a loss, but not a big one, he has been on the back 9 for awhile now. We will also be playing a bit more 4-3 this year with the emergency of Warren, Wilfork and Seymour - big 1-2-3 punch and second year player Wright along with Green. That was two years ago, that ship has sailed and the Pats are more than ready (and have dealt with it). Funny how no one here calls Boston "beantown" except tourists. I've made this point a ton of times, but I could be talking to a pole. The Pats offense does not use WR like other teams. This is a spread offense based on a multitude of options. We haven't had a 1000 yard reciever in 5 years. Another point, good WRs don't make good DBs in camp. I have no clue where you got that from. It's up to the skill of the player and the coaches. Is it an issue? Sure, but not enough to be a negative against all the other areas the team has improved in. I think the addition of Maroney more than makes up for the loss of Givens - strictly talking pluses and minuses. Pats win 12-14 games this year, and take the division easily. 2002 was a bit different because Pats caught lightning in a bottle in 2001, and weren't actually finished rebuilding. 2002 decline and subsequent great seasons in 2003 and 2004 clearly show this. In final to suggest that the patriots are imploding, its just far off - after one season where they were a few plays from having a home AFC championship game against a team they match up with very well.

Are you serious? Imploding? Just because one WR is holding out? It's a position that's always had no names, why will it be a problem now? This thread is hardly objective, and frankly its very frightening that none of you really know much about the teams in your own division.

Brown fans were just irrational about an overrated, past his prine Bernie Kosar being cut. BB made some mistakes, but put together a decent playoff team there. It's not his fault that the owner announced the move during the season and his team quit on him.

Just because the line played lousy gives a QB an excuse to hang them out to dry? Peyton calls the plays, if he would have used Edge more, the line wouldn't have to pass protect 50 times a game. And yes, Brady would have been better. Much better.

Want me to list them? 1. Take advantage of Polomalu's horrible deep ball covering skills (like Brady did in 2004 AFC Championship game). 2. Don't call stupid plays in the red zone on second and two, with one of the leagues best running backs behind you. (yes Peyton called that play) 3. Ditch that stupid audible crap that fools no one and just wastes time. 4. Don't blame your own offensive line for your own weaknesses. 5. 46 yard fieldgoal is no gimmie. Should have not gone for the endzone, plenty of time to move it closer.

They probably lose to the Rams on a last minute interception of Peyton. Either that or he throws his O line under the bus and they lose on a last minute sack and fumble.

This whole thread is quite amusing, Hollywood.

I bet you can't even name the top three recievers on the Pats from 2001. Their offense was never about great recievers - its about great quarterbacking. Branch, Caldwell, Brown, and Childress would be fine. Oh don't forget Watson and Graham the best tight end set in the league. With this easy schedule, they may win 13.

Haha, if it were only baiting, thats why its so sad.

Funny how most of you said that Branch was overrated and never deserved the MVP, now suddenly he is a critical cog in the Patriot offense and they can''t move the chains without him.

You guys are all nuts.

Seriously?

Peyton make playcalls for the last drive. The calls on 2nd and 2 and 3rd and two were horrible... when you know all you needed was a FG to tie. With three timeouts left they coudl have ran the ball for a first down, and gotten a little closer for the idiot liquored up kicker. Peyton had two dropped INTs one was a horrible call. He did crap.