Let’s talk about this Drake “marvelous “ Maye 😅

[Buffalo716]

23 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

What if I told you that McDermott is the reason we don't have a Josh McDaniels caliber OC?

That's literally an opinion and not a fact tho

 

I'm 100% certain he's not hiring bums and putting his job on the line just to do it... Of course he wants the best coordinators 

 

Andy Reid is not walking through the door to call plays... Joe Brady is  not taking an offense with a bunch of pro bowlers at skill positions and making them lethargic

 

No I'm not saying Joe Brady's a top five offensive coordinator but he's absolutely not a bottom five...

 

We're doing all this without our best pass catching threat in Kincaid and Pittsburgh knew what we were going to do and still couldn't stop it.. that's execution which comes from coaching

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[Johnnycage46]

44 minutes ago, White Linen said:

We know the family decently well and some of our other friends and family know them very well.  They are a fantastic family with a long reputation in the Charlotte NC area.  More specifically Huntersville/Lake Norman.

 

They all have work ethic and money isn't the motivation.  They're competitors.  The entire family is well accomplished in sports and they're all huge people.

 

Working hard won't be his problem.  He'll put in the hours.

 

That doesn't always translate but it's usually a common thread among the QB's that make it.  Of course this league is brutal but I'd lean towards this kid having a chance of being really good.

Do they all have punchable faces like Drake?

[BigDingus]

10 hours ago, Billsflyer12 said:

He is better than Josh right now, already.  He also likely has his elite OC for next 5-7 years locked up.  
 

Baring injury he will be in the top QB in league category for next decade.

 

People were clearly mad at this comment, but based off this year, you're 100% right.

 

We used to argue Josh was better than Mahomes based on CURRENT play, and Chiefs fans only had past performances & accolades to hold onto. 

 

Well right now, we're those Chiefs fans. We know what Josh has been in the past & what he's capable of, but he sure as hell hasn't been that THIS year.

 

INTs every game, struggling to throw the ball at all, mostly only winning when Cook is on point... But that's not Maye. He's been on fire. There's no doubt he's played better than most QBs, Josh included.

[KHAN]

One of the best parts of the early 90's was Kelly vs Marino. It was even more fun because we always beat them in the big games. 

It could be an amazing next 5-7 years, but Beane (or his successor) needs to stop the decline of the roster and get Josh some more weapons. 

[Ralonzo]

9 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Who the hack is Kis Drake Queen?  Is this a pop culture thing?

 

I think that might be referring to Jaxson Dart

 

[HappyDays]

17 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Of course he wants the best coordinators

 

Man that's a pretty tough sell given who he's hired. In your mind the pool of "best possible coordinators" happened to be the resident Bills QB coaches from 2019-2023?

 

17 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

They're typically not available.. or they go to head coaching jobs 

 

Yes this is one of the known downsides of having a defensive minded coach as your HC.

 

You can't say "I'd trade Brady for McDaniels but not McDermott for Vrabel." Putting aside the head coach comparison which I just fundamentally disagree with you on, you either get both or you get neither. You can't have McDermott and also McDaniels. FWIW I think that may finally change next year if McDermott is still here. He will be forced to leave his comfort zone, by Pegula if not by his own self-awareness. I expect Mike McDaniel or Kevin Stefanski to be our next OC because we've reached a tipping point in Allen's career.

 

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[Buffalo Ballin]

Let's see if Drake Maye can put up these same super stats when he doesn't have a true WR1 and WR2 AND a terrible team defense.

 

Can Drake Maye lead all QBs (and a good chunk of RBs) in rushing TDs?

Can Drake Maye lead all QBs in rush yards?

Can Drake Maye handle getting 8 sacks in a game?

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Man that's a pretty tough sell given who he's hired. In your mind the pool of "best possible coordinators" happened to be the resident Bills QB coaches from 2019-2023?

 

 

Yes this is one of the known downsides of having a defensive minded coach as your HC.

 

You can't say "I'd trade Brady for McDaniels but not McDermott for Vrabel." Putting aside the head coach comparison which I just fundamentally disagree with you on, you either get both or you get neither. You can't have McDermott and also McDaniels. FWIW I think that may finally change next year if McDermott is still here. He will be forced to leave his comfort zone, by Pegula if not by his own self-awareness. I expect McDaniel or Stefanski to be our OC because we've reached a tipping point.

 

There's zero proof Sean McDermott is getting calls from top flight coordinators saying I want to come here and shooing them away to hire a Yes Man 

 

Nate Hackett, Todd monken were two guys who are hired as offensive coordinators.. Matt nagy became the Chiefs offensive coordinator 

 

Eric bienemy, Thomas Brown, Tim Kelly ...Bill o Brien , drew petzing..These are some names of guys that were hired 

 

Ben Johnson was hired from within

 

In 2023 and 2024 the Chiefs offense averaged like 22 points per game.. the bills have not sunk that low in years

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[Psautcsk]

40 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

Let's see if Drake Maye can put up these same super stats when he doesn't have a true WR1 and WR2 AND a terrible team defense.

 

Can Drake Maye lead all QBs (and a good chunk of RBs) in rushing TDs?

Can Drake Maye lead all QBs in rush yards?

Can Drake Maye handle getting 8 sacks in a game?

Myles Garrett got him a number of times (5) and the Pats cruised to an easy win.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

What if I told you that McDermott is the reason we don't have a Josh McDaniels caliber OC?

I would believe you.

 

McDermott only wants yes men. Not any OC or DC with a backbone 

[BigAl2526]

I am pretty sure that Sean McDermott is only going to hire a defensive coordinator who runs a defensive system that is similar to the one McDermott is known for.  I don't know that he's going to limit himself to offensive coordinators who are spineless, but I think McDermott has a particular philosophy and he wants an offensive coordinator who reflects that philosophy.

[L Ron Burgundy]

He's very good.  Great long ball.  Great coordinator.   Playoff football will be very different.   Chances are they will play a great team.  We'll see.

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

There's zero proof Sean McDermott is getting calls from top flight coordinators saying I want to come here and shooing them away to hire a Yes Man 

 

Nate Hackett, Todd monken were two guys who are hired as offensive coordinators.. Matt nagy became the Chiefs offensive coordinator 

 

Eric bienemy, Thomas Brown, Tim Kelly ...Bill o Brien , drew petzing..These are some names of guys that were hired 

 

Ben Johnson was hired from within

 

In 2023 and 2024 the Chiefs offense averaged like 22 points per game.. the bills have not sunk that low in years

Um, HC's call and hire their coordinators, not the other way around.

 

Todd Monken didn't call Harbaugh.....

 

The only coordinator McD hired that he didn't already know personally was Daboll and he ended up HATING the guy.

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[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Um, HC's call and hire their coordinators, not the other way around.

 

Todd Monken didn't call Harbaugh.....

 

That's not the point dude 

 

The point is that list is full of a bunch of bums... Joe Brady has put out better offenses 

 

The best one on the list is Ben Johnson who is hired in house but if McDermott did that it would be considered a Yes Man lol

 

All those teams basically hired worse offensive coordinators the Ravens have a worse offensive coordinator than Buffalo

 

I would not trade monken in for Joe Brady .. the bills can win multiple ways the Ravens can't

 

So the point that Sean McDermott is pushing away great coordinators to keep a yes man is not true

 

A bunch of bums typically get hired every year

 

FYI dabol is a hot head who is not as good as a pure coach as Sean McDermott.. he has a lot of his own faults and there's no universe where  I would trade McDermott for him

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[FireChans]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

That's not the point dude 

 

The point is that list is full of a bunch of bums... Joe Brady has put out better offenses 

 

The best one on the list is Ben Johnson who is hired in house but if McDermott did that it would be considered a Yes Man lol

 

All those teams basically hired worse offensive coordinators the Ravens have a worse offensive coordinator than Buffalo

Ken Dorsey has put out better offenses too. 

 

You are using Josh Allen stats to prove the wrong thing imo. 

 

The fact of the matter is that after Daboll (McD's last outside coordinator hire who he had never worked with previously) was hired 8 years ago, Sean McDermott has not hired a single coordinator that didn't come up with the Bills. He promoted Dorsey, who despite having Josh Allen and still putting up a great offense, sucked. He then promoted Brady who literally got the job because he pounded the rock, threw Josh's body at defenses, and basically transitioned us into a boring offensive football team. 

 

Every year this team has an OC opening, the absolute hottest OC candidates want it. How could they not? This isn't Andy Reid or Shanny or KOC or McVay calling the plays while the OC gets coffee. This is a defensive head coach's team with a future HoF QB. It should be a top 3 job destination for an OC every year.

 

But instead, Dorsey and Brady get the job because they are here and do what the HC wants. 

 

Those are just the facts.

Edited 21 minutes ago by FireChans

[Billsfanatic8989]

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Stroud's rookie year is the only one of those that is remotely comparable to Maye this year, and there were a lot of analytics that showed Stroud was getting away with a good amount of turnover luck and that sort of thing. I don't know what to tell people that are still trying to dismiss what Maye has done this year. He and Vrabel/McDaniels are going to be a problem for the next decade. The scary thing is they have a ton of cap space next year so what we're seeing this season is the floor. Don't be surprised if they add AJ Brown or a similar talent. They are probably overachieving this year relative to their talent, but that's what great coaching gets you and the talent is only going to get better.

 

I remember ESPN talking this exact same way about Stroud & Purdy. MVP candidates who were making the team better. My comparison was that and not play styles. With any young QB, how will he do when it's the postseason and the pressure notches up? Or, what if he is down two scores in a huge game?

[Buffalo716]

19 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Ken Dorsey has put out better offenses too. 

 

You are using Josh Allen stats to prove the wrong thing imo. 

 

The fact of the matter is that after Daboll (McD's last outside coordinator hire who he had never worked with previously) was hired 8 years ago, Sean McDermott has not hired a single coordinator that didn't come up with the Bills. He promoted Dorsey, who despite having Josh Allen and still putting up a great offense, sucked. He then promoted Brady who literally got the job because he pounded the rock, threw Josh's body at defenses, and basically transitioned us into a boring offensive football team. 

 

Every year this team has an OC opening, the absolute hottest OC candidates want it. How could they not? This isn't Andy Reid or Shanny or KOC or McVay calling the plays while the OC gets coffee. This is a defensive head coach's team with a future HoF QB. It should be a top 3 job destination for an OC every year.

 

But instead, Dorsey and Brady get the job because they are here and do what the HC wants. 

 

Those are just the facts.

No you take the poor man's way out of just saying this entire franchise is Josh Allen propping up everybody else 

 

Well guess what this website thinks the Chiefs have a better coaching staff and they're worse than us hahaha

 

By that metric spagnola and Andy Reid are now over the hill 

 

There's not three good offensive coordinator hirings every year... There's 6 bums hired to one good guy

 

The best quarterback can't take a five win team and turn them into a 12 win team look what Patrick Mahone and the Chiefs are doing.. and we whooped them 

 

 let's get this thread back to Drake Maye who is a talented young man

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[Puckman5]

He doesn't have the pure physical talent Josh has, but he's still big and he moves very well.  He stays calm under pressure and will take the easy completions when he needs to.  He's a complete QB and playing at a level many quarterbacks never get to.  He's not D-bag like Brady.  I had the opportunity to see him interact with kids at a football camp and seems like a genuinely good guy.   I don't think what we're seeing is just luck or great coaching.  It's still too early to crown him, but I think he's the real deal.   I still hope the Bills kick the crap out of the Pats, but we may be a regime change or six away from that happening again on a regular basis.  

Edited 10 minutes ago by Puckman5
I'm dumb.