Sean apologists... If McD gets fired without ever winning a Super Bowl, you will...

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I think you should name who you think the McD apologists are. There can be more than two camps here, it’s not just apologists and whiners. There is a broad spectrum, so this label stuff doesn’t sit well with me. But I can’t say I’m surprised. 

 

Dont take it so seriously or personal. Like I've already said, it's a half-joking response to the other thread. Mostly because it's funny when we have multiple variations of the same thread on the front page.

 

This isnt serious business.

 

I was able to reply in the other thread without being so offended. Just have fun.

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by DrDawkinstein

[Chaos]

The last QB as impactful as Allen to not win a Super Bowl was Dan Marino.  Its a pretty rare situation.  Given his past history the Dolphins were never going to fire Don Shula.  Sean McDermott has not earned the forebearance that Don Shula earned.  In reality this is a unique situation in the history of the NFL. 

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Dont take it so seriously or personal. Like I've already said, it's a half-joking response to the other thread. Mostly because it's funny when we have multiple variations of the same thread on the front page.

 

This isnt serious business.

 

I was able to reply in the other thread without being so offended. Just have fun.

 

 

 

Yes, you use the “half-joking defense” a lot when you go down this path. 

 

I’m not offended, just making a simple observation about behavior. 

[Cray51]

14 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Johnson, Payton, Jim Harbaugh, Mike Vrabel. All should have been considered.

 

Agreed that there isnt any big name left right now. Best we could do is probably Clint Kubiak, which would be a similar risk as Ben Johnson.

I'm not sold on Vrabel at all - he had two good years with the Titans in an ass division and then fell apart to being fired.  He is rolling with a hot team on a weak schedule

 

Payton is on his third year with Denver, doesnt have a playoff victory.  Is that BETTER than Sean?  I'm not convinced.

 

Harbaugh has been OK with an LA team that a lot of people were high on last year.  11-6 last year and whooped by the Texans in the wild card round.

 

And all of that said, those guys need to want to come here too.  Does Vrabel want to come to Buffalo?  I wouldn't be convinced.

 

Johnson has been the only young talented coordinator that I'd have considered letting Sean go for.  He has created an offensive structure with his run game that is effective, and could potentially ease Allen's workload as the leader of the offense.

 

With that said - Brady is quite capable, and with equal offensive talent to what detroit had last year, probably would have been the same hot candidate for teams to hire.

[SoCal Deek]

McD should’ve stuck with Tyrod. That style of QB play suits him much better. 😉

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Yes, you use the “half-joking defense” a lot when you go down this path. 

 

I’m not offended, just making a simple observation about behavior. 

 

Yeah man, its a message board with a bunch of "friends". I treat it all as a friendly conversation at a tail gate.

 

You also turn these threads into personal discussions about the poster instead of staying on the football topic. Just a simple observation in return.

 

[US Egg]

6 minutes ago, Augie said:

I think you should name who you think the McD apologists are. There can be more than two camps here, it’s not just apologists and whiners. There is a broad spectrum, so this label stuff doesn’t sit well with me. But I can’t say I’m surprised. 

Either you’re for or against. All others can hit the bricks.

[GoBills808]

Just now, US Egg said:

Either you’re for or against. All others can hit the bricks.

ask him if he'd rather win a SB w out McDermott or never win one w him

 

that's your apologist

[US Egg]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

ask him if he'd rather win a SB w out McDermott or never win one w him

 

that's your apologist

You ask him or are you scared?

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, US Egg said:

You ask him or are you scared?

i already know the answer

[Ga boy]

I would be disappointed like most if there’s no trophy case at OBD with a Lombardi; however, it’s more about getting difference maker players. So far we’ve only managed Allen and Cook.  Reid is considered top notch and he has the trophy case as evidence, however, it would probably be empty without Kelsey, Jones and Hill.  I’m not mentioning Mahomes since he and Allen are comparable, but we don’t have the others.  If KC didn’t have those 3, we would already have a Lombardi or more. The coach has to have the players.  Could another Bills coach and GM do better?  As Cray51 listed, there aren’t many coaches who have done better lately.

[Buffalo Boy]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

For every Ben Johnson, you have:

 

1) Brian Dabol

2) Mike McDaniel

3) Robert Selah

4) Matt Eberflus

5) Brian Callahan

6) Doug Pederson

7) Mike McDaniel

 

Those are the ones for the top of my head. 

The risk is high. It may be worth it, but it is high. 

 

Give each of them Josh at the start of their tenures…… do they still look as bad?

[The Jokeman]

18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

McD should’ve stuck with Tyrod. That style of QB play suits him much better. 😉

Na he should have drafted Mahomes at 10 in his first year as a HC, played Mahomes over Tyrod in the "Peterman debacle game" seen some good things and continue to play him and just miss the playoffs, see fans call for his head and insert Tyrod back in the lineup since Mahomes just not good enough and eventually force us to trade Mahomes be in position to draft a QB in 2020 and see us draft Tua to replace Tyrod and have us cry for years on end as the QB purgatory never ends. 

[jethro_tull]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I dont think he gets fired this year, so that isnt the question.

 

Terry and many folks here seem to be happy sitting on a nice Regular Season win/loss record, and some AFC East Championships (although those days seem to be over now that there's a better HC in the Division).

 

When we go another few years of this garbage, and Josh has officially entered the end of his career, how happy will you McD Apologists be with nothing to show for it all?

no worries, he'll get it done

[Cray51]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Give each of them Josh at the start of their tenures…… do they still look as bad?

1) Brian Dabol - Yes

2) Mike McDaniel - No, but can he run a viable defense?

3) Robert Selah - No, but is he anything more than Sean?

4) Matt Eberflus - Yes

5) Brian Callahan - Yes

6) Doug Pederson - Yes

 

[Billsfanatic8989]

McDermott is a good HC. He has caught some bad breaks. It is also time for the team to move forward with a different administration. Allen will be 30 and the Bills are one of the few teams that desperately MUST win a SB within the next year or so. 

 

Both can be true. It's time

[US Egg]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

i already know the answer

Thought you’d laugh when I went adolescent there. But then I should know better than to tangle with the big boys.

[Jimmy Harris 69]

I’ve ripped and roared about Coach McDermott on these pages. I threw away a bunch of Bills gear after 13 seconds because I feared we would never get that close again.  McDermott is a great coach. You have to be in order to win as many games as he has. The list of hall of fame QB and Coach combinations without a world championship win is proof that winning is talent, luck and voodoo. Roman Gabriel-George Allen; Tarkington & Joe Kapp-Bud Grant;  Don Meredith- Landry; Dan Fouts- Don Coryell; YA Title- Allie Sherman, Sonny Jurgensen-Vince Lombardi, Ken Anderson-Paul Brown; Jon Brodie-Dick Nolan, Donavon McNabb-Andy Reid; Jim Kelly-Marv Levy; Warren Moon- Bum Philips. These giants of the game fell short. There was always another team in their way. The Bills and Pittsburgh blocked Houston. The Packers of the 60’s blocked half the people on this list. The Steelers of the 70’s did the same. It may not be in the cards for the bills no matter who they hire. Sometimes changing coaches works. The Rams fired hall of fame coach Chuck Knox and went to the SB the next year; lost to the Steelers. Winning it all is hard. After seeing McDermott pull together the defense and offense yesterday, I wondered: could the worst Bills team in four years win the SB? There are no dominant teams in the nfl this year. They are all flawed. Maybe it could happen—-even with Baylon Spector playing. Pfft. 

Edited 28 minutes ago by Jimmy Harris 69

[ProcessTruster]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I am not sure anyone is a “McD Apologist” per se.
 

Those of us that support him are worried about blowing things up and making it worse by inevitably bringing in new systems and schemes and someone who is undoubtedly going to be way less experienced. It’s a lot of risk. Would be different if we weren’t so far into Allen’s career. 

which is exactly what will happen if a new HC comes in.   it all gets blown up and we wait another 5 years while an entire new front office / coaching staff re-does everything

 

 I would prefer the Elway approach: dominant run game takes the heat off Josh, just like last night.  

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

which is exactly what will happen if a new HC comes in.   it all gets blown up and we wait another 5 years while an entire new front office / coaching staff re-does everything

 

 I would prefer the Elway approach: dominant run game takes the heat off Josh, just like last night.  

 

Doesnt take 5 years. Maybe 1 transition year TOPS.

 

Other good, established teams have already dont this with little to no drop off.

 

This isnt a drought-era team. It's a team with the reigning MVP.