Sean haters...if the Bills win the Super Bowl this year, you will...

[GunnerBill]

12 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

No offense to Shakir who I think would make a great WR 3 or even a decent a WR 2, but he isn't a #1. Imagine Allen with Chase, Higgins or Cee-Dee and Pickens or Smith and Brown to go along with Shakir, Kincaid and Cook. Cook would be so much more dangerous if teams had to respect our passing game. With a legit WR 1 and 2 this offense would be unstoppable. 

 

Yea and I get it they are hard to find.... but Eagles traded for Brown. Higgins was a 2nd round pick (okay 1st pick of round 2). Pickens was a 2nd round pick too. 

 

In the time he has been here no team in the NFL has spent less day 1 and 2 draft capital on wide receivers than Brandon Beane. You miss every shot you don't take.

[GerstAusGosheim]

22 hours ago, Luka said:

If we win the Super Bowl it will be purely on Josh Allen. This is a 5 win team without him.

 

If that.

[Lost]

22 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea and I get it they are hard to find.... but Eagles traded for Brown. Higgins was a 2nd round pick (okay 1st pick of round 2). Pickens was a 2nd round pick too. 

 

In the time he has been here no team in the NFL has spent less day 1 and 2 draft capital on wide receivers than Brandon Beane. You miss every shot you don't take.

 

And not only could we have had Pickens in the round 2 of 2022, we could have possibly gotten him for a 3rd this year.   The arrogance of Beane/McDermott though prevents us from even looking at guys like him.   It's almost as if their priorities are culture first, run blocking 2nd, pass catching skill 3rd.  And that's on top of WRs in general being at the absolute bottom of positions they covet.  

[Luka]

On 12/2/2025 at 8:38 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

He has had a top defense. That defense hasn't got it done in the post season but the Bills defense 2018 to 2022 was stellar.

 

The biggest issue this team has had and still has is not enough elite talent around Josh Allen. 

 

Coaching has had its moments, most notably the famous one in Kansas City. But players matter more than coaches. Always have, always will. The Bills have needed more better players.

 

His defensive scheme only works in the regular season up by two scores. All the close games with worse teams have been due to not being able to stop the run and get off the field on 3rd down. And then you have all the shoot outs where they can't make a play to change the game.

 

It's a mediocre defense buoyed by the best offensive player of our generation. 

[The Jokeman]

6 minutes ago, Luka said:

 

His defensive scheme only works in the regular season up by two scores. All the close games with worse teams have been due to not being able to stop the run and get off the field on 3rd down. And then you have all the shoot outs where they can't make a play to change the game.

 

It's a mediocre defense buoyed by the best offensive player of our generation. 

Sounds like the 80s when the Browns couldn't get past the Broncos but I bet if you'd ask Browns fans would they rather be in that situation compared to where they at now most would choose the first. 

[Mikie2times]

Nobody hates McD, that’s just a creative path people use to dismiss the opinions of those that think this regime, Beane included, is fairly average if not worse. Surely such opinions have to be personal and irrational. The whole thing is boring. This team looks like a floating turd in a punch bowl with people hanging onto to hopes that somehow we alter what has occurred like clockwork for multiple seasons and actually perform better in the playoffs.
 

Which we can’t. It’s as laughable a notion as saying the Cowboys will just click in the postseason. 

15 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Sounds like the 80s when the Browns couldn't get past the Broncos but I bet if you'd ask Browns fans would they rather be in that situation compared to where they at now most would choose the first. 

Bahaha….man, fear, fear, and more fear. Nobody leave the house. A bad thing could happen. 

[DrDawkinstein]

56 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Sounds like the 80s when the Browns couldn't get past the Broncos but I bet if you'd ask Browns fans would they rather be in that situation compared to where they at now most would choose the first. 

 

We would never be in the Browns situation. We have Josh. They havent had anything close ever.

[billsfan714]

I would assume the ayahuasca trip was over.

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, Luka said:

 

His defensive scheme only works in the regular season up by two scores. All the close games with worse teams have been due to not being able to stop the run and get off the field on 3rd down. And then you have all the shoot outs where they can't make a play to change the game.

 

It's a mediocre defense buoyed by the best offensive player of our generation. 

 

THIS year, the defense isn't good. It wasn't good last year either. But over his reign their have had top regular season defenses. It is simply not true to say he has never had top defenses. 

[Gregg]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

THIS year, the defense isn't good. It wasn't good last year either. But over his reign their have had top regular season defenses. It is simply not true to say he has never had top defenses. 

 

The problem is in a big spot (playoffs) they don't play well. Only two times I can remember the defense playing well. The first playoff game after the streak was broken. Lost 10-3 at Jacksonville with Taylor as the QB. The Ravens game from the covid years where they had a 100-yard pick 6 and won 17-3. The other playoff games the defense hasn't played well highlighted by 13 seconds.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

The problem is in a big spot (playoffs) they don't play well. Only two times I can remember the defense playing well. The first playoff game after the streak was broken. Lost 10-3 at Jacksonville with Taylor as the QB. The Ravens game from the covid years where they had a 100-yard pick 6 and won 17-3. The other playoff games the defense hasn't played well highlighted by 13 seconds.

 

I am not sure that is even true though. They played well v Miami despite the O constantly putting them in a hole. They played well v New England. They played fine against the Steelers. Have they been good enough in games we have been eliminated? No. But equally other than the 13 second game I am not sure the O has either. Particularly the last two years.

[BillsShredder83]

On 12/1/2025 at 10:24 AM, BuffaloBillyG said:

I think what most will do is say that Josh Allen won in spite of McDermott and that he still needs to go. And yes I fully expect a thread right after the game titled "I love that we won the Super Bowl....but" that will point out that Sean used his timeouts incorrectly, the defense...HIS DEFENSE...gave up a 3rd and 12 conversion and that keeping him is not sustainable to win another Super Bowl. Then the poster will say we need to fire him and bring Daboll in to run the show.

I supported him 100% up through last season, even after 13 seconds.  The reality is that if SOMEHOW we pull this off.... your response above will be completely accurate, and incredibly fair.  He has done NOTHING in the playoffs to contribute meaningfully to this teams run's.  The best we can hope for is - staying out of the way enough to let Josh deliver.

 

How many teams have Coaches that are a 'plus' to their team?  Being content to just have a single year of coaching good enough to qualify as 'Even' is not the dream.  So yes, I would like a coach that can be a talent multiplier. 

 

Swap out Reid for McDermott the past 9 years (8?), and the outcomes would stay the same, just mirrored.  

 

Buff wins multiple rings, rarely gets stopped, but SB appearance is the new floor.  KC fans hate us with a burning passion, as KC just cannot get over the hump that is the Buffalo Bills.

 

I dont understand how anyone could even view that as a controversial take.

[Einstein's Dog]

On 12/2/2025 at 9:00 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

In the time he has been here no team in the NFL has spent less day 1 and 2 draft capital on wide receivers than Brandon Beane. You miss every shot you don't take.

This reads like a made up stat to make Beane look bad.

 

Beane spent a 1st on Diggs, a 1st on Kincaid, and used his first pick one year on Coleman.

 

While Beane has been struggling w WRs since the Diggs debacle, he did bring in A Cooper and tried for Waddle.

 

 I would anticipate Beane making a huge effort this offseason to bring in a name WR.

[BillsShredder83]

On 12/2/2025 at 8:45 AM, Gregg said:

 

No offense to Shakir who I think would make a great WR 3 or even a decent a WR 2, but he isn't a #1. Imagine Allen with Chase, Higgins or Cee-Dee and Pickens or Smith and Brown to go along with Shakir, Kincaid and Cook. Cook would be so much more dangerous if teams had to respect our passing game. With a legit WR 1 and 2 this offense would be unstoppable. 

It doesnt take anywhere near as drastic of an example for this to be true, but yes you are 100% correct.  Give this years team an high-end #2 (Waddle, Tee, Ladd, Zay Flowers, Addison, Devonta Smith) and even mediocre - above average OC (2021 Daboll comes to mind as a good example), and we are by far the run away odds favorite to win it all this year.

 

I fully understand chances are we'll never have an elite #1 here with Josh ever again...... the ask is reasonable to be able to add a similar type of player)

[GoBills808]

16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am not sure that is even true though. They played well v Miami despite the O constantly putting them in a hole. They played well v New England. They played fine against the Steelers. Have they been good enough in games we have been eliminated? No. But equally other than the 13 second game I am not sure the O has either. Particularly the last two years.

this is such a false equivalency but it's in this thread so frankly unsurprising

 

last yr in our elimination game we averaged 5.5 yards/play and scored 29 on offense. our regular season averages were 6.0yards/play and 30 ppg. so maybe a bit underwhelming. our defense meanwhile allowed 5.5 yards/play to the Chiefs who had averaged 5.1 yards/play in the regular and 32 points when they had averaged 22.6 during the regular season

 

the yr prior in our elimination game the offense averaged 4.7ypp and scored 24. our regular season averages were 5.7 and 26.5, respectively. our defense somehow managed to allow an astronomical 7.7pards/play to the Chiefs offense who had averaged 5.5 in the regular season and gave up 27 points when the Chiefs had averaged 22. 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

This reads like a made up stat to make Beane look bad.

 

Beane spent a 1st on Diggs, a 1st on Kincaid, and used his first pick one year on Coleman.

 

While Beane has been struggling w WRs since the Diggs debacle, he did bring in A Cooper and tried for Waddle.

 

 I would anticipate Beane making a huge effort this offseason to bring in a name WR.

 

Kincaid is not a wide receiver, that's excluded.

 

But you are right - I had forgotten the 3rd he traded for Cooper in season. 

 

That puts him 31st. Just above the Buccs.

 

 

[BillsShredder83]

32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

THIS year, the defense isn't good. It wasn't good last year either. But over his reign their have had top regular season defenses. It is simply not true to say he has never had top defenses. 

I cant agree with the premise of this qualifying as a top defense.  If you had a 'top defense' and the defense was the cause of your playoff exit (not the offense), then you never had a top defense.  

 

Amplify this across multiple years - the defense being responsible for basically 80-100% of your exit's... then you have an even better sample size.

 

'It could be worse' is not the same as having a top defense.  

[frostbitmic]

 Dinner will come after celebration, and I'd enjoy every bite...

[BVBILLS]

I will write Mc Clappy and Bean an apology letter

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, BillsShredder83 said:

I cant agree with the premise of this qualifying as a top defense.  If you had a 'top defense' and the defense was the cause of your playoff exit (not the offense), then you never had a top defense.  

 

Amplify this across multiple years - the defense being responsible for basically 80-100% of your exit's... then you have an even better sample size.

 

'It could be worse' is not the same as having a top defense.  

they gave up 7.7yards per play to the Chiefs two years ago, INCLUDING KNEELDOWNS. take those out and it jumps up to 8.0yards/play

 

to put that into context- the very best offenses in league HISTORY have never averaged over 7.0yards/play...and the worst defenses in league history have never given up more than 7.0 yards/play