If Missing the Playoffs Is What it Will Take for Change, Would You Welcome It?

[JP51]

1 hour ago, 5ths the charm said:

Terry won't allow change, he's drinking the Kool aid with these guys.

I agree here... I think we can all debate on if the team needs change... and probably agree it does and potentially radical at that... I think realistically TP will do absolutely nothing to effect that change... and I mean nothing... so the best you are gonna get is Brady or Babich gone at the end of the year... at very very very most...  I think despite all of our issues we need to make peace with that or not... 

[Riverboat Ritchie]

1 hour ago, 5ths the charm said:

Terry won't allow change, he's drinking the Kool aid with these guys.

I wonder if the minority owners could get in his ear as he doesn’t make change unless something drastic happens and he feels pressure or convinced. If Sabres are any example, it ain’t gonna happen unless things go really bad. For understandable reasons, he is not as invested in these teams since Kim has been not involved. Ughh. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

IF there is a change Daboll will be HC

Oh lord …. No no no no no

[Buffalo Boy]

Im what they call an “ Early Adopter “

Called my shot three years ago. 
Was right then, am right now.

Never going to win with either of these guys.

Program builders but not championship winners

[oldmanfan]

I don’t want us to miss the playoffs.  No one does.  But if they do you have to seriously consider changes.  A fresh approach with an offensive mind as HC might be what Josh needs.  I would not argue against a guy like Gruden, especially if he could attract a guy like Jim Swartz as DC.  
 

As for Beane, I don’t know that he’s any better or worse than any other GM.  But it should be made clear that bringing in guys to help Josh is the priority.

[Avisan]

2 hours ago, ScottishBills said:

Very interesting to see the "best fans" - the ones who dont criticise and spend most of their time abusing people who have had complaints for a long time now appearing again. Its almost like they were wrong. Time and time and time again.

 

Anyway, we will win next week and they will be back policing negative comments from "not real fans". Rinse and repeat

 

This coach (in particular!) and this GM (on the balance of probabilities) aint it.

Havent been for at least 2.5 years.

Glad its becoming more obvious to these top top fans

When your sole metric for competence is winning a Superbowl, you're going to be "right" 31/32 times.  If you expand that to making a Superbowl, you're going to be right 15/16 times.

 

Take a deep breath and let the rest of the season play out.

[LabattBlue]

All a moot point. Even IF the Bills miss the playoffs, the dynamic duo is going nowhere. 

[Urban Achievers]

I was ready the night of 13 seconds and then checked myself objectively to make sure it was not too much of a knee jerk.   
 

Nope. I still stand by it today.
 

Only difference is that as of about 2 years ago (in addition to McDimwit) Beane can go too. 

[DrDawkinstein]

I voted "Yes - If it means McDermott goes" but I'm fine with McD and Beane getting axed at this point too.

[TFBillsfan]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

A change is needed and has been needed. The people resistant to change will point to what they’ve accomplished in their time here. That’s fine. I think though, we are at a point where we can all agree that they’re trending in the wrong direction. This team is worse now than they were 5 years ago. The bad drafts, contracts, and scheme are catching up. Does anyone feel like running it back next year will yield better results?? If so, based on what?? Please don’t say injuries either. Every team has them and the Bills have largely played with their best players outside of Oliver (and recently Kincaid). They aren’t this inconsistent, and often overwhelmed, because a few guys are out. What logical signs are you seeing to say, it’ll be better next year?

Looking ahead it’s highly probable, Daquan Jones, Milano, White, Poyer, Taron Johnson, Moore, Samuel, Rapp, Hamlin, Shaq Thompson, Jordan Phillips will be gone. 
 

Unfortunately, Beane and McDermott haven’t shown they have the ability to identify impactful FA or draft impactful players. It’s hard to look to next year and see how we will be any better. This roster is significantly lacking in players that can impact a game outside of Josh and Cook. Even worse, we’ve been saying it for multiple seasons!

[Kelly to Allen]

4 minutes ago, Urban Achievers said:

I was ready the night of 13 seconds and then checked myself objectively to make sure it was not too much of a knee jerk.   
 

Nope. I still stand by it today.
 

Only difference is that as of about 2 years ago (in addition to McDimwit) Beane can go too. 

Your gut instinct was correct after 13 seconds. Which is a micro example of the entire macro McDermott regime.

 

He was always this guy similar to jaroun who thought Peterman was the guy. 

 

 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

2 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Beane and McDermott aren’t going anywhere. They’ve done way too much winning to let  one bad season derail what they have built. They will 1000% get the opportunity to fix it. 

I hate to say it but your right but only will they get another chance but they will continue to have the same type of off-seasons that they always have mediocre! 

[Bob in STL]

Warning from a huge Sabres fan.   The less Terry Pegula does to the Buffalo Bills front office the better the Bills will be. 
 

Terry thinks he knows hockey, and that is the big reason he hires poorly qualified GMs for the Sabres.  He thinks of himself as the President of Hockey Operations.    The result is the complete destruction of the Buffalo Sabres.   No unrestricted free agents will go there, and the top players in hockey all have no trade clauses in their contracts with Buffalo always on that list.   That team will never win with Terry involved like he is.  
 

Fear the day he becomes comfortable enough to fire McBeane.  Once he does he will destroy this team with bad hires and poor decisions.   

[ScottishBills]

26 minutes ago, Avisan said:

When your sole metric for competence is winning a Superbowl, you're going to be "right" 31/32 times.  If you expand that to making a Superbowl, you're going to be right 15/16 times.

 

Take a deep breath and let the rest of the season play out.

 

Incorrect. I'm going to be right 100/100 times. Because this coach ain't it. There are years of proof. 

 

Not directed at you specifically as I have no interest in slagging fellow fans - but this point you made which lots of people make is a total misunderstanding of what is meant. 

 

I don't work on Superbowl or bust (as you correctly state, that would be dumb / cheating). But I DO work on having a good chance. And this bunch of clowns are getting further away, not closer. 

 

For those who think what you are looking at is even in the same postcode as "competent", fair enough. See you next year for more of the same 🤷🏽‍♂️

 

Let's put it this way - how many Superbowls do you think McVay or Shanahan or Belichick or Payton would have been to in the last 8 years with 17 running the show?

 

How many points do you think we would score with Ben Johnson calling the plays?

 

How much better do you think the D would be with Fangio or Brian Flores?

 

Everywhere you look, our coaching clowns come up short. Very very short. Year after year. And are somehow getting further away 🤣

 

The offence has kept McClappy off the hot seat. And now that has turned to ***** too

 

 

Edited 34 minutes ago by ScottishBills

[entropyrules]

It would be a shame to be back in the wilderness again, but this team is simply not built to get to and win the Superbowl. I don't think you can separate Beane from McD so either they both stay or both go.  If they do stay I'd like to see the Bills take steps back for the next two years. jettison the players such as Knox and Milano who have huge cap figures but also do not live up to those contracts. The only exception I would make is the O line where it is essential to not only keep what i think is a better than average O line but add to it so Allen is even better protected. Then with a mid-first round pick (with Allen I can't see the Bills ever going 4-13) get a D line man that can actually make a difference (a bit of a dream and always with the draft some luck is involved). The problem with that approach is that Beane isn't exactly hitting on his 1st and 2nd round picks.

 

If they do jettison Beane/MsD (it won't happen as that not something Pegula is likely to do) it would be nice if they took a flyer on one of the wunderkind asst. coaches from other teams but darn if they don't hit that one Allen's career will be totally wasted. No matter what, they absolutely need to change the O play calling - those lateral screens to Shakir are killing this team.

 

It was so sad watching an absolutely fabulous D last night and it wasn't the Bills. One can't take credit for the 2nd half as Mills is a horrible QB.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

The only thing that can make this miserable season worse is missing the playoffs. At least give ourselves a chance in a wide open AFC. We are bills fans, how can you ever want that? Save that bull#### for the Sabres. I see all that wanting to lose really paid off for them. The guy isn’t going to get fired. Fix it. 

[Bob in STL]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If the Bills fall short there will be LOTS of talk of, “is this the end?” It’s already heating up. I work from home mostly now and have a TV in my office. I’ve been watching a lot of the talking heads over the last 2 months. The chatter is there. I don’t have the heart or energy to watch today but it’s coming. 
 

I agree about the comfort but the Bills are his baby (and his family’s). I don’t think we can take much from how’s he’s handled the Sabres. There is no pressure for that. The Bills have an infinitely bigger microscope AND the MVP of the league. If you had a $20K car and a $100K car would you handle them the same? This is an even more extreme example. 

You should take absolutely take everything from how he runs the Sabres.   Everything about Terry’s sports management incompetence is wrapped up in the Sabres.  Under his leadership they lost games on purpose in a sleazy attempt to get better draft choices.   Those drafted players are all gone and most have won Cups on other teams.  Terry is the reason that team is dead.   Pray that he never gets too involved in football.  
 

BTW, Jack Eichel won a Stanley Cup, and is now a front runner for league MVP.  Terry insisted that Eichel be traded and he used his injury as a reason.  NHL veterans can have no trade clauses in their contracts, none of the best players will go to Buffalo.