$55m to run 13

[BillMafia716ix]

Well under Daboll Josh was a turnover machine. I like our run first approach but the passing offense has to be schemed better and it starts with the personnel.

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Well under Daboll Josh was a turnover machine. I like our run first approach but the passing offense has to be schemed better and it starts with the personnel.

I think the most simple way of saying the difference between dabs and Brady is:

 

The ceiling is higher with Daboll, the floor is higher with Brady.

 

I would still take the higher ceiling all day long when JA17 is the QB

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, Bferra13 said:

I miss the Daboll offenses. Trubisky could throw these dumb tunnel screens. Seems like were wasting Allen and yup the handling of WR position is malpractice by the front office.

Dont let todays news and yesterdays anger influence you.... Daboll had the most stacked WR room in league. Prime Diggs & Beasley. Jon Brown. Emmanuel Sanders.

 

That team couldnt put up points last year with Daniel Jones & Nabers.  Anyone forgetting Danny Dimes looks like Joe Montana the second he left NY, and Nabers was the top WR outta that draft.... now Danny isnt what he looks like right now (i dont think), but he also isnt as bad as he was with NYG.... its somewhere in between.

 

Anybody thinking Daboll comes in here and lights it up with Keon, Shakir, and Palmer is highhhhhhhh on cracccccccc.

 

No more spinning our tires with our old friends, thats part of the reason we are where we are.  I actually like idea of bringing in a Failed HC, who was once a good Coordinator, but we don't have any evidence that Daboll was ever a good Coordinator.  I dont even want anybody "Good", I want someone elite at both coordinator spots

[Haslett_Stomp]

Anyone recall when the offense was putting up great numbers statistically under Dorsey yet almost every play seemed like a struggle to execute?

[TheFunPolice]

Anyone buy the story that McDermott really wanted/wants WR help and is frustrated with Beane?

 

I think this is the offense McDermott wants in terms of philosophy. Low event football. 

 

It works a lot especially because there is a lot of awful football played around the league. 

 

[BananaB]

3 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

This is what happens when you have a $14m QB.  We don’t, so we should rely on that guy to overcome weaknesses elsewhere.  But we play slow and under center and make no effort to attack in that way.  

Colts drafted everyone but Downs who’s been kicked around the league a bit.  The WRs were day 2 picks. It’s got nothing to do with money. 

3 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

3 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Edited 6 hours ago by BananaB

[mannc]

1 hour ago, BananaB said:

Colts drafted everyone but Downs who’s been kicked around the league a bit.  The WRs were day 2 picks. It’s got nothing to do with money. 

Downs was a Colt draft pick.

[BananaB]

20 minutes ago, mannc said:

Downs was a Colt draft pick.

Just adds to my point. Don’t follow many teams,  for some reason I thought he bounced around the league a bit

Edited 4 hours ago by BananaB

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

I think the most simple way of saying the difference between dabs and Brady is:

 

The ceiling is higher with Daboll, the floor is higher with Brady.

 

I said this myself just a few weeks ago but it's not really true anymore. The Atlanta and Miami offensive performances were as bad as anything we got under Daboll or Dorsey. Well I guess the Jags 9-6 loss really stands above the rest but that was an outlier of all outliers. Brady's offense has been fully dissected and studied by DCs across the league and without the element of surprise/unpredictability the bottom has dropped out in a hurry.

[Chicken Boo]

7 hours ago, Brand J said:

He hasn’t been utilized as a superstar QB this season, nor is he consistently playing like one. I’m all for a shakeup offensively. You think the Colts have better pieces on offense than we do? I don’t, yet they’re putting up numbers under Steichen. Get a coordinator in here who excels in the passing game and watch the offense elevate to higher ground.

 

Aside from QB, the Colts absolutely have better pieces on offense.

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, Brand J said:

 

If Josh was throwing to Tyler Warren, Alec Pierce, Josh Downs, and Michael Pittman Jr, with Joe Brady calling plays, it’d be much of the same.

 

No. It really wouldn't. The Bills receivers are the worst in the NFL. There are downfield shots called in this offense. Josh keeps coming off them and going underneath because there is nobody open. Give Brady the Colts weapons this offense looks very different. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Downs was a Colt draft pick.

 

Since 2018:

 

Colts Round 1 WR: 0

Colts Round 1 TE: 1

Colts Round 2/3 WR: 5

Colts Round 2/3 TE: 1

 

Bills Round 1 WR: 0

Bills Round 1 TE: 1

Bills Round 2/3 WR: 1

Bills Round 2/3 TE: 1

 

 

The Colts are actually the perfect example of if you don't want to spend a first on receivers you have to keep throwing day 2 picks at them. It was a successful model for the Steelers for years too. 

 

Since Beane has been GM here no team in the entire NFL has drafted fewer WRs in the first two days of the NFL draft. Just one. Keon Coleman (and that one is a bust). 32/32. And now we have the worst receiving corps in the league. Is it any wonder???

[Dan Darragh]

9 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

The best way for this team to win is to hand it off to James Cook and then let Josh be Josh situationally.

Because it worked so well against the Dolphins and Falcons and Patriots.

9 hours ago, vincec said:

Complimentary football.

This is where you tell the opposing players how handsome they look in their spiffy uniforms.

[BillsMontreal]

8 hours ago, SCBills said:

Offensive philosophy is a joke.  
 

Defense is built to play with a lead, but we run an Offense that burns clock and plays ball control.  
 

Got it.  
 

Nevermind the fact JA clearly needs WR’s and not more TE’s.. the entire offense/defense philosophy makes zero sense. 

 

This year, we're at the peak of this offensive philosophy. Even if we want to do something else, there's no weapon to do it on offense.

 

Just the fact that we still talk about a WR1 tell us everything.

We have to deal with it, but i still scratch my head. 

Another philosophy would be bringing as a priority every weapons this QB needs on offense, and more if it's possible...

 

An offense with that QB should play at a face past. You can run the ball the number of times you want in a fast pace! 

 

In fact, we ask Allen to be a game manager like a lot of QB in this league...and when something goes wrong, we suddenly ask him to play like superman, without the weapons.  There's no way that man doesnt see it.

 

If i play against the Bills, i have to find a way to slow down their offense but..they do it themself for me.

Complimentary football are some magics words so say -playing first to not loose- or -trust the process-.

 

This defense is a pure product of our HC and it seems that everything is set for helping this defensive scheme, even our offensive philosophy.

 

This team is build like that. We have to deal with it, like i said.

 

We're a good team and i will hope for the best...It's not like i can do anything else!

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by BillsMontreal

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

This offense is McDermotts vision and he's absolutely convinced it will win him a Superbowl. This guy can't be fired fast enough. He's turned Allen into Trent Edwards. He makes Dick Jauron look like Bill Walsh.

Edited 53 minutes ago by Rousseauisnoschmo

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

8 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Well under Daboll Josh was a turnover machine. I like our run first approach but the passing offense has to be schemed better and it starts with the personnel.

Was he a turnover machine because of Daboll or because he was young dumb and full of ---?(If you've seen the original point break you can fill in the blank). I'd like to see current Josh in that offense.

[nuklz2594]

playing not to lose on offense....prevent offense

[All_Pro_Bills]

I believe that McDermott and Brady have settled on this offensive approach out of necessity rather than what they want to play in order to compensate for bad personnel decisions by Beane and the scouts in the draft and free agency.

 

If the defense didn't suck and the offense had good receivers the strategy would change to open up the passing game. Add in problems with injuries which might be due to a bad training program and staff and this team is a mess with a generational QB in Allen and a great RB in Cook.

 

If the front office hit on more 1-4 round players they could maximize Allen and the performance of the offense instead of compensating for the team's weaknesses that are mostly on defense.

 

Edited 27 minutes ago by All_Pro_Bills

[Nihilarian]

Someone please enlighten me the difference between the 2024 offensive roster and the 2025 offensive roster and now suddenly the passing game doesn't work?

 

Seems to me that this years receivers group is actually better than last years and yet now suddenly it stinks unless they get a #! WR. Makes no sense.

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

2 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Someone please enlighten me the difference between the 2024 offensive roster and the 2025 offensive roster and now suddenly the passing game doesn't work?

 

Seems to me that this years receivers group is actually better than last years and yet now suddenly it stinks unless they get a #! WR. Makes no sense.

Teams figured out how to defend Joe Bradys passing attack and he's not good enough to counter it. That's my guess.