Coaches are heavily implying that Coleman isn’t trying on the field

[Bruffalo]

29 minutes ago, Cubanmist 1 said:

But nooooo, we had to select Landon Jackson. 

Wrong draft, but same sentiment. 
 

We drafted Dewayne Carter instead.

[uticaclub]

10 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Believe what exactly? I believe there's a screenshot of the text. Are you saying that you don't think Josh meant it?

 

Yes, the team informed Josh they would select Coleman with the first pick of Day 2. As a supportive teammate, Josh responded with a text. Do you think Allen studies college tape so closely that he actually preferred Keon over Ladd?

[Shortchaz]

7 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

In the context of perhaps dozens of posts here at TSW and on X calling into question Coleman's effort, your thought that the question was "fed" to the reporter is really weird.

 

Who would feed him the question?

 

Why?

 

 

I Wasn’t aware that it was a known issue, this was the first I heard about it. 
 

The reason the team would feed a question like that to a reporter would be so that the issue became public without the team being the one that brought it up. Obviously that wasn’t the case here. 

are we pretending that politics aren’t at play in the NFL 🤣

[Sierra Foothills]

4 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Yes, the team informed Josh they would select Coleman with the first pick of Day 2. As a supportive teammate, Josh responded with a text. Do you think Allen studies college tape so closely that he actually preferred Keon over Ladd?

 

How about this... Josh said what he said.

 

I'm not gonna speculate on the sincerity of Josh's statement or the degree to which he follows wide receiver prospects.

 

And I'm not gonna write a 6 paragraph reason why I think he wasn't sincere.

 

Fair enough?

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Yes, the team informed Josh they would select Coleman with the first pick of Day 2. As a supportive teammate, Josh responded with a text. Do you think Allen studies college tape so closely that he actually preferred Keon over Ladd?

Trust me these are the same people who watch Hard Knocks in amazement at footage of Beane and the scouts saying nice things predraft about every single guy we end up taking 

[Sierra Foothills]

5 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

I Wasn’t aware that it was a known issue, this was the first I heard about it. 
 

The reason the team would feed a question like that to a reporter would be so that the issue became public without the team being the one that brought it up. Obviously that wasn’t the case here. 

are we pretending that politics aren’t at play in the NFL 🤣

 

I'm saying that the simpler more logical explanation is probably closer to the truth than the conspiracy theory involving a team operative feeding questions to the media. 🤣

 

[DaVinci]

1 minute ago, Sierra Foothills said:

I'm saying that the simpler more logical explanation is probably closer to the truth than the conspiracy theory involving a team operative feeding questions to the media. 🤣

Occam's razor 

[SydneyBillsFan]

6 hours ago, Process said:

This will be his last year here. I'm not even being that critical of his effort. It's just when you combine everything, the effort, the lack of a connection with Allen, the struggles in this offense, it just makes sense for everyone to get a fresh start. We'll trade him for a sixth round pick or something in the off-season.

 

Coleman will probably want it, and so will the bills.

 

Fancy being blessed by way of being paired with a future HOF QB and your response is to pick and choose when to apply maximum effort in metered doses.

 

Boy has this season quickly degenerated into a shower of poo.

 

 

[Shortchaz]

16 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

I'm saying that the simpler more logical explanation is probably closer to the truth than the conspiracy theory involving a team operative feeding questions to the media. 🤣

 

I hope you feel really smart 🤣

[Buffalo Ballin]

This actually shouldn't be coming up. EVEN as a rumor!

 

This is monumentally bad. A complete bust of a pick. Waive him in the off season. His game, and apparently effort, are not worth a damn.

[Nitro]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

This actually shouldn't be coming up. EVEN as a rumor!

 

This is monumentally bad. A complete bust of a pick. Waive him in the off season. His game, and apparently effort, are not worth a damn.

He is not the only player is not giving his all.  I think that he has talent but the young man needs a mentor, older WR who can sit down with him and tell him how to play the game.  Go all out on every play.  I watch plenty of football and he is not the only WR on the opposite of the play that is not hustling.  If he flames out, it is because he does not have the dawg behavior.  Coleman is looking at an off season where the Bills will try to upgrade the WR spot putting his career in jeopardy.

[Billz4ever]

2 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

To your topic title, there's nothing "implying" in McDermott's comments and it isn't "coaches," it's the Head Coach.

 

 

That's funny. My wish is very different than yours. I wish that Coleman would take the criticism to heart and have a great game against Tampa Bay next week.

 

 

In the context of perhaps dozens of posts here at TSW and on X calling into question Coleman's effort, your thought that the question was "fed" to the reporter is really weird.

 

Who would feed him the question?

 

Why?

 

 

The 3 different documented instances of Josh's support for Coleman provided by other posters in this topic looks multiple times more convincing than your 6 paragraph hypothetical scenario of what you'd like to believe actually happened.

 

 

Yeah, I kept waiting for a good replay of that play but never saw one.

 

 

This play is a bigger indictment of Josh's play than it is Coleman's.

 

Though he's far from the biggest problem with the Bills, let's not pretend that Josh is playing well this year.

 

 

Yes.

 

 

Why is it not the point? Because you say so?

 

 

There's plenty of contempt for Beane here but having read through all 12 pages on this topic, I'd have to disagree with you.

 

 

Yes the tipped ball that was underthrown by Josh should have been caught by Coleman.

 

 

At least 2 occasions. There was the deep left sideline throw that Coleman quickly won inside position and Josh threw it outside to where the CB had the only reach chance at the ball.

 

Even without the All-22 you can also see guys open underneath that Josh wasn't looking to throw to. He passed up several layups for missed 3 pointers.

 

 

I'm sorry, I thought I just posted a video of our top pick in the draft 2 years ago acting like he's on a nice Sunday jog down the field and you want to play a whataboutism game with our franchise player?

 

Sorry, but effort is one thing I never have to worry about with Josh Allen. If you can't even get the effort part right, you have no business even being on the field.

Edited 2 hours ago by Billz4ever

[dreadlox]

7 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

 

Except they are forcing the ball to him, lol.  Only guy with more targets is Shakir. 

And Shakir is just being used as an outlet guy at the LOS. That’s inflating his targets some. They are forcing the ball to Coleman as if it’s determined pre snap. It’s Ralph forcing rob johnson on Wade all over again.

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, dreadlox said:

And Shakir is just being used as an outlet guy at the LOS. That’s inflating his targets some. They are forcing the ball to Coleman as if it’s determined pre snap. It’s Ralph forcing rob johnson on Wade all over again.

It's like instead of trying to make fetch happen, they're trying to make Keon happen and the failure and ripple effect is happening through the entire passing game.

[philholbroo]

Anyone doubting Coleman this year should go back and watch the Ravens game. I think the effort and attitude from all of the players is reflective of the gameplan that is given each week. 

[Herc11]

9 hours ago, H2o said:

I think a vast majority of us are not happy with McDermott's efforts as a HC. 

 

Disagree with this. I won't ever question his efforts. Effort does not guarantee  success.  Sean even changed his ways when the team came to him with their concerns. I give him credit for that. It's not an easy thing to hear people out and actually take it to heart and change your ways. 

 

He's a great guy and I wish he was a great coach, but I'm not sure his formula works.

[Chicken Boo]

9 hours ago, zow2 said:

 

He could have stayed at the spot and picked Worthy, or selected Ladd with that first pick in round 2.  But he took the worst of the three.  Great job Beane.

 

Supposedly it's who Josh wanted, right?

[Scott7975]

9 hours ago, Low Positive said:

Diggs did that a lot. You could tell if he knew he wasn't getting the ball because he wouldn't run his route. 

I was going to comment this same thing. I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed. 

9 hours ago, ***** said:

In one of the hard Knox episodes, Brady made a comment about WRs should know they are just running a clearing route, and shouldn’t expect to get the ball.  Brady said “call it an effing Brady Route”.

 

what other offense tells their WRs something like this?  I’m guessing none, and I’m sure it has something to do with Coleman jogging and our passing offense being terrible. 
 

I mean, blown coverage, teams not respecting the deep routes, there’s so many reasons a guy running a deep clearing route…. Could still be thrown the ball.

probably also why Josh trying to make his magic happen when a play breaks down is not doing so well this year. 
 

also why people taking still shots of all22 crying “look he’s open” need to remember a dude might not even be in the progression. 

[Scott7975]

9 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Even worse is that even he is seeing it's a recurring problem. It's concerning that is sounds like it's been addressed in the past and continues. 

 

Dude is just Kelvin Benjamin in a puffy coat 

At least early Benjamin had good games and put up 1000 yard season. 

[Thurman#1]

8 hours ago, Roundybout said:

 

 

 

 

What a disaster of a pick. 

 

 

Nah. It's starting to get to be time where you can say he's not looking good. But way too early for final opinions. That's just ridiculous. Hell, Allen missed him when he was open downfield long twice this game. 

 

The text that makes your point here is Skurski's. And he edited out some of the most important parts of McDermott's comments specifically to make it look like he was saying something he wasn't quite.

 

Here's the Skurski quote you used,  in blue, and what he left out from McDermott in red:  

 

"He knows if I'm not satisfied (about it). Just like any player.... It's fair that you're asking about it. I promise you, it gets addressed when it isn't where it needs to be. There are times just like any player or any performer where it is exactly where it needs to be, and there are times where when it's not, and then we have to address it, to get it hopefully where it needs to be. So it's addressed. It's been good at times and other times it can improve for sure."

 

Leaving out the bit about "just like any player," included there TWICE, is misleading of Skurski. Does this refer mostly to whatever he was benched for a couple of weeks ago? Maybe. Maybe not. But it's basically impossible to tell from what we see here.