It’s time to move forward

[Sojourner]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I mean I’m not saying drake maye won’t go on a decade long reign of terror lol but people thought Ryan tannehill was gonna be great in that titans offense for a long time based on his first two seasons there too which is why vrabel and co decided to extend him to a pretty big contract.the dude absolutely went off 2019 and 2020.  

 

Eventually parity ate away at that roster coupled with tannehill no longer playing for free and they kinda imploded. 

Good points. I think the thing that separates those 2 guys is experience. Tannehill laws freshly moved to QB from WR when he got drafted out of A&M. 
 

His rise to success was similar to Jones and Darnold’s… the perfect coaching and talent landing spots. If he stayed in Miami I don’t think he would have found the same success as he did in Tennessee. 
 

Maye has experience as a QB and is surrounded by Super Bowl winning offensive staff. That’s the difference. 

[The Frankish Reich]

"Blowing it up" probably means keeping Allen and Cook (because of his new contract) and treating everyone else as dispensable. Which is, after all, what they are in today's NFL. Maybe I'll add Benford as a keeper mostly because of his contract, but that's it.

And if they do that, how are we any different than the Rams, who are currently beating up on the Niners after "mortgaging the future" for Stafford, Donald, etc.?

The turnaround time in the NFL is now really, really fast.

[Fleezoid]

13 minutes ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said:

Watching Allen used to be fun… now watching with incompetent management and coaching…is not so fun.

 

 

And part of it was not a single receiver could get open today. I see no fix to that with what we have.

[The Frankish Reich]

2 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Good points. I think the thing that separates those 2 guys is experience. Tannehill laws freshly moved to QB from WR when he got drafted out of A&M. 
 

His rise to success was similar to Jones and Darnold’s… the perfect coaching and talent landing spots. If he stayed in Miami I don’t think he would have found the same success as he did in Tennessee. 
 

Maye has experience as a QB and is surrounded by Super Bowl winning offensive staff. That’s the difference. 

And Maye just has the ability to make all the NFL throws, which Tannehill in that Titans offense was kind of able to fake his way through.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Exactly…. The chances of the Bills not running it back with McD for the new stadium opening season are close to zero. 

I still think missed playoffs opens it up to being possible he’s gone…that’s about it though 

[Jerome007]

20 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

24 minutes ago, Old Coot said:

The players didn't play well; we lost the turnover battle.

 

Conclusion: fire the coaching staff.

You are too rational for the board right now. You need to give it a few days.

The play calls on offense was baaaad. No way around it. Contrast the playcalling with what.. th e Dolphins did. It's just obvious. Misdirections, playactions, mix of long and short passes.

 

Yet, even if the Bills had used vanilla plays, the run O should have worked! The Dolphins D have been awful. And their secondary were made of backups! What happened? Crazy

[BeastMaster]

40 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Nobody is blowing up anything. McD might be hiring a passing game coordinator though. Joe Brady is like Daboll when his run game plan isn't working he goes to a pass game that doesn't work.

Unfortunately, you are probably right

 

McDermott will do what does best and sacrifice his coordinator to appease ownership to save himself 

 

Brady and Babich are on borrowed time

[Success]

Last week wasn't some fraudulent thing.

 

This team is good enough to beat anyone. But we did NOT show up today. It was a classic trap game, and we fell right into it.

 

And that's on coaching.  And the fact that Allen can't find a receiver open is on the GM.

 

It is well past time for a change. I've supported both McDermott & Beane, but they are truly wasting a generational talent, and what can we hope to have w/ him at this point?  If we get another 5 years w/ him running well, it would be surprising.  

 

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, Jerome007 said:

What happened?

Ground Chuck 2.0 took over on offense.

[Chaos]

4 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Good points. I think the thing that separates those 2 guys is experience. Tannehill laws freshly moved to QB from WR when he got drafted out of A&M. 
 

His rise to success was similar to Jones and Darnold’s… the perfect coaching and talent landing spots. If he stayed in Miami I don’t think he would have found the same success as he did in Tennessee. 
 

Maye has experience as a QB and is surrounded by Super Bowl winning offensive staff. That’s the difference. 

Maye is simply light years ahead of Tannehill. Watching Rams and Seahawks offense, makes Brady's scheme look jr high level. 

[nosejob]

5 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

 

And part of it was not a single receiver could get open today. I see no fix to that with what we have.

Maybe Josh needed a mature qualified Man for an OC and not a peer....or cousin, drinking buddy, video game bro. IDK how he can go 23-26 and then the next week look like Peterman. I am on the blame McD train from here on out. If the best you can do is raise your voice at halfime, you already wasted 6 days.

Edited 7 hours ago by nosejob

[Jerome007]

1 minute ago, Fleezoid said:

 

And part of it was not a single receiver could get open today. I see no fix to that with what we have.

Did Coleman even TRY? Lack of effort will never be acceptable.

I love me some JA17 but on one a throw away, Samuel was sitting on the sideline all alone. That was a first down. You can at least trust these guys to catch the ball if they are open. Maybe not to get open, but come on. Something is real off with the Bills O.

[Buffalo716]

17 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Good points. I think the thing that separates those 2 guys is experience. Tannehill laws freshly moved to QB from WR when he got drafted out of A&M. 
 

His rise to success was similar to Jones and Darnold’s… the perfect coaching and talent landing spots. If he stayed in Miami I don’t think he would have found the same success as he did in Tennessee. 
 

Maye has experience as a QB and is surrounded by Super Bowl winning offensive staff. That’s the difference. 

Tannehill was a great football player .. like from high school and in college just a pure football player

 

He went to A&m as a quarterback.. didn't win the starting job is a freshman but he was so good he was able to instantly be in the top three at wide receiver 

 

So he played wide receiver until he was able to win the quarterback job 

 

But he was also a top 10 pick for a reason .. tannehill through for 4000 yards back to back at Miami for a point.. he wasn't drastically better in Tennessee he had a better running game 

 

Which will help out any quarterback.. they had a solid run and he is a good quarterback..

 

That's why where you are and your organization means much more than pure talent.. and the bears haven't developed a quarterback as a 10 year starter since the Korean war 

 

Showing the bears would have ruined Josh Allen

Edited 7 hours ago by Buffalo716

[PatsFanNH]

37 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

We’ll see how vrabel does when parity starts eating away at them before we’re talkin windows…he couldn’t really outrace it in TEN.  overachieving a 4th place schedule is something a lot of teams have done and you have a lot of Washington commanders type situations.

 

they might have the goods for sure but it’s tough to tell..  I think most likely outcome is both teams trade winning the division for awhile 

He never had a good/great QB in TN. I think Maye is a top 10 QB mind you a few injuries on D today had me concerned until they came back in… (Henderson actually got banged up and we were down to our FB and PS RB who I don’t know the names of lol) thank god he wasn’t hurt point is pats are super thin on talent 

[RobbRiddick]

46 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Why do people keep saying this like it is possible 😂 

I don't think it's possible, but I see that as the only way they'd boot McD out.

 

McDermott was great for this team and it can't be overstated how he and Beane turned around a 17 year sh*t show, but he's unfortunately become stale. I agree with everyone who says he's taken the team as far as he can. The problem is I don't see them changing things up because grabbing a new HC is like drafting a QB with a high draft pick, it's a total crapshoot and I think they'd see it as too much of a risk so they'll find it easier to stick with him and hope Beane can have a great draft and FA period and do what's needed to put them over the top. 

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, RobbRiddick said:

I don't think it's possible, but I see that as the only way they'd boot McD out.

 

McDermott was great for this team and it can't be overstated how he and Beane turned around a 17 year sh*t show, but he's unfortunately become stale. I agree with everyone who says he's taken the team as far as he can. The problem is I don't see them changing things up because grabbing a new HC is like drafting a QB with a high draft pick, it's a total crapshoot and I think they'd see it as too much of a risk so they'll find it easier to stick with him and hope Beane can have a great draft and FA period and do what's needed to put them over the top. 

 

 

I don't disagree, but I'll point out that it's a pretty normal cycle in the NFL.

Really good teams get in the pattern of just trying to patch that one or two perceived holes in their roster. Pass rush lacking? Bring in Von or Bosa and draft edge rushers every year. Missing that stud WR? Trade for Diggs. Running game lacking? Focus on the O line and getting a more explosive back.

Meanwhile your strong points (LB, secondary, receiving corps) get weaker with age and injury and get traded away based on bad attitude (Diggs). Then you miss the playoffs or get embarrassed by a one-and-done and the coach gets fired and you clean house of everyone except the QB and maybe one or two other key players who are under contract. And if you do it right you're right back in the mix in a couple years.

We're just about there.

[nosejob]

4 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

I don't think it's possible, but I see that as the only way they'd boot McD out.

 

McDermott was great for this team and it can't be overstated how he and Beane turned around a 17 year sh*t show, but he's unfortunately become stale. I agree with everyone who says he's taken the team as far as he can. The problem is I don't see them changing things up because grabbing a new HC is like drafting a QB with a high draft pick, it's a total crapshoot and I think they'd see it as too much of a risk so they'll find it easier to stick with him and hope Beane can have a great draft and FA period and do what's needed to put them over the top. 

 

 

Or....as long as we keep selling ticks by making the post season every year, why change? Is that a possible company model?

[26TrapDraw]

1 hour ago, wppete said:

I think making the playoffs will be very tough. Lets hope they make it. 

Why? 

[jkeerie]

12 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

Unfortunately, you are probably right

 

McDermott will do what does best and sacrifice his coordinator to appease ownership to save himself 

 

Brady and Babich are on borrowed time

As well they should be.  They wouldn't be fall guys.  They are not good enough, plain and simple.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

The chiefs are 5-4.  I doubt they're considering firing Reid and whoever their GM is. I think McD and Beane are safe. And they should be.  The roster is comparatively weak.  Mistakes were made but we've been a league power for 6 years running.  The holes can be filled.