The Bills were high bidders for Waddle, tried acquiring Williams

[Nihilarian]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

Metcalf for a 2nd would have been a better value than Waddle for a 1st. That's the cost of waiting until the last minute to make a move. Even so if Miami wanted a 2026 1st you just have to do it for a player like that. What is the sense in drawing a line in the sand? I worry that the tagline of this regime will end up being "they never really went for it."

Have you seen his numbers the last few games because he hasn't looked that good and in my view he wasn't worth 30 million per. WR's making that much should have more impact. Also, I still think that this OC simply wouldn't scheme him enough or Waddle. 

[Breakout Squad]

I would’ve liked the 2027 1st and a 2026 3rd for Waddle. Keep next year’s 1st and get a playmaker. But it’s irrelevant now. 

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

 

 

A 2027 1st is basically in draft value a 2026 2nd.  If true, it was a low-ball non-serious offer.  

 

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He is, without doubt a bit of a PR master. And in fairness PR is part of a GM's job. So I don't hold it against him (and he is much better at the create a narrative stuff than he is at the poker face pre-draft stuff anyway). He started the narrative spinning basically as soon as he got here. He managed to convince everyone that the Sammy and Darby trades were inevitable because of the cap and not part of a concerted effort to start afresh with new players and a new culture.

 

Patience with Beane started running out during the 2024 draft.  That continued through last season, this past off-season and now with various decisions which haven't worked.  

 

Beane's PR worked a couple seasons ago but people aren't buying the stuff he's trying to get over.  At least not as much.  Well, all but for the biggest homers.  

Edited 2 hours ago by BillsVet

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Patience with Beane started running out during the 2024 draft.  That continued through last season, this past off-season and now with various decisions which haven't worked.  

 

Beane's PR worked a couple seasons ago but people aren't buying the stuff he's trying to get over.  At least not as much.  Well, all but for the biggest homers.  

 

It isn't just PR and I wouldn't want to suggest that. He has been a decent GM for the Bills, but he has always wanted to control the narrative and you have to sift through it. I never bought the inevitable trades narrative all that time ago. It was a choice. A choice I agreed with as it happens. But he didn't sell it like that.

[Kirby Jackson]

FWIW, they’re projecting the 2027 draft to be one of the best ever. Obviously 2011 is the gold standard but that draft may be legendary as well.

[BillsVet]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

It isn't just PR and I wouldn't want to suggest that. He has been a decent GM for the Bills, but he has always wanted to control the narrative and you have to sift through it. I never bought the inevitable trades narrative all that time ago. It was a choice. A choice I agreed with as it happens. But he didn't sell it like that.

 

Agree it's not just PR.  At the same time you gotta deliver the goods and Josh's presence demands better management.  The GM can say what he wants, but their off-season and in-season decisions leave a lot to be desired. 

[Awwufelloff]

We didn’t get waddle because of not wanting to give up this yrs first? 

[BillsShredder83]

5 hours ago, MPL said:

Word is he offered a 1st and 3rd for Waddle. Some rumors out there that 1st round pick was a 2027 pick and Miami wanted a 2026 pick. 

Ughhh should've gave it. Im glad Beane was aggressive, and im not holding it against Beane but if that was the deal breaker that was stupid. Who knows if Miami was serious or not, but if they were the year shouldn't have broke this deal up.

 

This was the position we needed to address most, so need and price lined up. Whats our late 1st rd need that's so pressing? A LB? Corner? 

 

Anddddddddd just as I say this Waddle crushes us on an absolute 💣💣💣

[RyanC883]

5 hours ago, MPL said:

Word is he offered a 1st and 3rd for Waddle. Some rumors out there that 1st round pick was a 2027 pick and Miami wanted a 2026 pick. 

any links to this.  Arguing with a fellow fan about this.  Saying we got rebuffed, which I doubt. 

[BillsShredder83]

4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

We get this same tired rationale all the time from folks.  Let’s take a team like the Chiefs.  We could say what will happen when teams take away Kelsey.  You can say this for any team in the league.

 

What will we do?  We’ll either load up the O line and batter teams into submission on the run.  Or we’ll use the 3 TEs.  Or we’ll get throws to Shakir.  Or Palmer.  Or whatever Brady cooks up.

 

Why assume other teams can slow down the #1 offense in the league in yards/game?

Because we've seen it for multiple stretches and full games this season? This isn't even playoff football where the refs swallow their whistle. Scoring a bunch vs piss poor teams is not the same as beating Spags/Fangio in the biggest games of the season?

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

any links to this.  Arguing with a fellow fan about this.  Saying we got rebuffed, which I doubt. 

 

[BillsShredder83]

4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

So in the off-season the issue was getting a WR that could get separation.  Beane brings in Palmer.  Then it was a guy with speed.  He brings in Moore.  

 

We can talk about the draft.  When you draft low you don’t get a shot at the top of the WR class.  And we focused on D, which showed up pretty well at least last weekend against Mahomes.  
 

You could argue we could have traded for a big time WR in the off-season but off-season is basically free agents and draft.  Trades happen at the trade deadline and it seems Beane was very active but couldn’t find a partner.  Meanwhile the team is # 1 in yards per game based on an offense centered around the run and Josh finding the right guy in the short to intermediate zones.  And it’s working.

 

Are fans more interested in a productive offense, or watching Josh chuck it 50 yards down the field?

Yeah because there's no difference between wanting competent outside wide receiver play, and running an offense around 50 yard bombs 🙄 😒 

 

Ive not seen one person on the WR train gnashing their teeth for deep a bomb offense. The chuck bomb offense is non existent in the league. When deep bombs are hit its a result of defenses cheating up and selling out for the effective short/intermediate passing teams.

 

Its like hitting a HR. More often than not, its not a violent swing, its when youre seeing the ball well and taking buttery smooth swings. Aim for the top deck and youre gunna pop up in the infield. 

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

Metcalf for a 2nd would have been a better value than Waddle for a 1st. That's the cost of waiting until the last minute to make a move. Even so if Miami wanted a 2026 1st you just have to do it for a player like that. What is the sense in drawing a line in the sand? I worry that the tagline of this regime will end up being "they never really went for it."

“We built consistency!”

[GunnerBill]

We are done. The defensive line is out of healthy bodies. Waddle is cooking our rookie. And offensively way too many mistaked.

[BillsFanForever19]

14 minutes ago, FireChans said:

 

 

Did he say this on TV or something? 

 

Not saying it isn't true. But he didn't put this in his tweet (which is all I've seen from him on this subject) and thus far this betting account is the only place alleging he said this.

[BillsShredder83]

4 hours ago, Bills aPHILLYate said:

I think that narrative would've been short lived and irrelevant once you factor in Waddle's age and a likely change in offensive scheme after this year (I'm assuming that Brady will be gone).

 

I think he would've improved this scheme by creating space a la Cooper and then you have a high upside guy in place to work with for the forseeable future. 

 

 

 

 

Yep. All these people in here acting like we don't need anything other than a pile of #3's is saying this to try and convince themselves we didn't fail. We have Josh Allen and a pile of garbage WR's lol in what world is that better?

 

Meanwhile we all sit here watching this team down 16 and no ability to get explosive pass plays. We gunna make a 2 score comeback in a half by running the ball?

 

Fn trash. 86 yards lol

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Did he say this on TV or something? 

 

Not saying it isn't true. But he didn't put this in his tweet (which is all I've seen from him on this subject) and thus far this betting account is the only place alleging he said this.

This is the clip I saw. Not sure if there was a longer segment.

 

 

[Psautcsk]

2 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Yep. All these people in here acting like we don't need anything other than a pile of #3's is saying this to try and convince themselves we didn't fail. We have Josh Allen and a pile of garbage WR's lol in what world is that better?

 

Meanwhile we all sit here watching this team down 16 and no ability to get explosive pass plays. We gunna make a 2 score comeback in a half by running the ball?

 

Fn trash. 86 yards lol

Yeah, this is totally unacceptable. Is the Dolphins defense this much better than the Chiefs?

[gobills404]

2 minutes ago, Psautcsk said:

Yeah, this is totally unacceptable. Is the Dolphins defense this much better than the Chiefs?

They’re much much much much much worse

[Psautcsk]

Just now, gobills404 said:

They’re much much much much much worse

Not today