Are the Bills bringing back some old school tactics?

[blacklabel]

Howdy all Bills fans on this gray Saturday (if you're up here in the 716, that is, could be breezy and beautiful for some of y'all, I don't know where youse live!) anywho...

 

Didn't see this posted up anywhere just yet, also seems to be a brand new video just dropped earlier today. Don't know how many of you follow some of the writers from The Athletic but their stuff is generally pretty good. 

 

Analyst breaks down some of the plays Bills ran out of 22 personnel against KC last week and just shows the emphasis they put on utilizing Gilliam and the TE crew. Seemed like it was pretty effective. 

 

The Athletic Football Show breaks down old school tactics

Edited 12 hours ago by blacklabel
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[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, blacklabel said:

Howdy app Bills fans on this gray Saturday (if you're up here in the 716, that is, could be breezy and beautiful for some of y'all, I don't know where youse live!) anywho...

 

Didn't see this posted up anywhere just yet, also seems to be a brand new video just dropped earlier today. Don't know how many of you follow some of the writers from The Athletic but their stuff is generally pretty good. 

 

Analyst breaks down some of the plays Bills ran out of 22 personnel against KC last week and just shows the emphasis they put on utilizing Gilliam and the TE crew. Seemed like it was pretty effective. 

 

The Athletic Football Show breaks down old school tactics

Oddly enough, I believe they built the team Rex Ryan wanted to build when he came here. Run the ball. Pressure the opposing QB. Cause turnovers. 

[finn]

Have we reached a consensus on how Atlanta beat the Bills? They blitzed like crazy and stacked the box to stop Cook, but why didn't Allen do his thing and hit his outlets? If there's no clear answer, it's a clear invitation for other teams to follow suit as the best way to stop these old-school tactics. 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, finn said:

Have we reached a consensus on how Atlanta beat the Bills? They blitzed like crazy and stacked the box to stop Cook, but why didn't Allen do his thing and hit his outlets? If there's no clear answer, it's a clear invitation for other teams to follow suit as the best way to stop these old-school tactics. 

 

They didnt actually stop Cook. New England did a bit. In the Falcons game Brady just got away from him. On the OC.

[PromoTheRobot]

24 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Oddly enough, I believe they built the team Rex Ryan wanted to build when he came here. Run the ball. Pressure the opposing QB. Cause turnovers. 

 

And he would have, if only the Blue Jays didn't have a big game.

[hondo in seattle]

3 hours ago, blacklabel said:

Howdy all Bills fans on this gray Saturday (if you're up here in the 716, that is, could be breezy and beautiful for some of y'all, I don't know where youse live!) anywho...

 

Didn't see this posted up anywhere just yet, also seems to be a brand new video just dropped earlier today. Don't know how many of you follow some of the writers from The Athletic but their stuff is generally pretty good. 

 

Analyst breaks down some of the plays Bills ran out of 22 personnel against KC last week and just shows the emphasis they put on utilizing Gilliam and the TE crew. Seemed like it was pretty effective. 

 

The Athletic Football Show breaks down old school tactics

 

I didn't watch the vid yet, but I know back in the day, TEs were blockers first, receivers second.  Then the NFL transitioned to TEs like Jimmy Graham who ran like Bambi but blocked like Bambi too.  

 

Kincaid is a new school TE, but Hawes is an old schooler more in the mold of Mike Ditka (though not as good).  Knox is a tweener.  

 

Edited 8 hours ago by hondo in seattle

[oldmanfan]

57 minutes ago, finn said:

Have we reached a consensus on how Atlanta beat the Bills? They blitzed like crazy and stacked the box to stop Cook, but why didn't Allen do his thing and hit his outlets? If there's no clear answer, it's a clear invitation for other teams to follow suit as the best way to stop these old-school tactics. 

Josh just wasn’t Josh in Atlanta.  Teams can’t count on that.  As for stopping old school tactics, we have an O line playing well and a RB playing great.  Make teams show they can stop that.

[Marcus Aurelius]

3 hours ago, finn said:

Have we reached a consensus on how Atlanta beat the Bills? They blitzed like crazy and stacked the box to stop Cook, but why didn't Allen do his thing and hit his outlets? If there's no clear answer, it's a clear invitation for other teams to follow suit as the best way to stop these old-school tactics. 

Yes. I can’t quite figure that game out and I am reluctant to watch it again to try 

[HOUSE]

This is why I come here, free information..

[BVBILLS]

How about this old skool tactic- win!

[Sierra Foothills]

4 hours ago, blacklabel said:

Howdy all Bills fans on this gray Saturday (if you're up here in the 716, that is, could be breezy and beautiful for some of y'all, I don't know where youse live!) anywho...

 

Didn't see this posted up anywhere just yet, also seems to be a brand new video just dropped earlier today. Don't know how many of you follow some of the writers from The Athletic but their stuff is generally pretty good. 

 

Analyst breaks down some of the plays Bills ran out of 22 personnel against KC last week and just shows the emphasis they put on utilizing Gilliam and the TE crew. Seemed like it was pretty effective. 

 

The Athletic Football Show breaks down old school tactics

 

Thanks for posting this. I'd be curious to know what Spags did in the 2nd Half to reduce the effectiveness of our running game.

 

4 hours ago, finn said:

Have we reached a consensus on how Atlanta beat the Bills? They blitzed like crazy and stacked the box to stop Cook, but why didn't Allen do his thing and hit his outlets? If there's no clear answer, it's a clear invitation for other teams to follow suit as the best way to stop these old-school tactics. 

 

That's a good question and I'd generally be curious to know about the few times other teams have been able to limit our run game effectiveness.

 

Also it'll be interesting to see if the tight ends become more prevalent in the downfield passing game as the video illustrated.

 

Like almost everyone else here, I feel like the Bills O seems like it's only missing one piece and that piece would work off play action very nicely.

 

[Mr. WEO]

I figured this thread would be about John Brown

[Augie]

 

Old school?

 

If this means we wrap up when we tackle, instead of the old body slam and hope we hurt ‘em (and pray they don’t keep running), I’m all in. 

 

 

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[IBTG81]

32 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Thanks for posting this. I'd be curious to know what Spags did in the 2nd Half to reduce the effectiveness of our running game.

 

 

That's a good question and I'd generally be curious to know about the few times other teams have been able to limit our run game effectiveness.

 

Cook was hurt. 

[Doc Brown]

I'm surprised teams don't blitz more.  Last couple of years.  It's obviously risky with man coverage and Allen possibly escaping for a big run up the field.  I was a little surprised by these numbers.

 

2024

 

Blitzed: 0.19 EPA per dropback (9th), 17.8% DVOA (9th)

Not blitzed: 0.31 EPA per dropback (2nd), 30.8% DVOA (3rd)

 

2023 

 

Blitzed: -0.06 EPA per dropback (34th), -9.0% DVOA (25th)

Not blitzed: 0.14 EPA per dropback (2nd), 32.9% DVOA (2nd)

 

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 hour ago, BVBILLS said:

How about this old skool tactic- win!

It’s hard to win in this league…or so I’ve been told 🤷…for that matter it’s hard to score touchdowns! The guys on that side of the ball get paid too you know 🫣.
 

Sincerely,

OBD presser talking points 

[RangerDave]

1 hour ago, BVBILLS said:

How about this old skool tactic- win!

I'm not sure that is an old skool tactic.  I remember, back in the day, when only 50% of the teams won each week.

[BuffaloBillyG]

I was kinda hoping the article was about them learning from old Conrad Dobler footage 

[BillytheKid]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm surprised teams don't blitz more.  Last couple of years.  It's obviously risky with man coverage and Allen possibly escaping for a big run up the field.  I was a little surprised by these numbers.

 

2024

 

Blitzed: 0.19 EPA per dropback (9th), 17.8% DVOA (9th)

Not blitzed: 0.31 EPA per dropback (2nd), 30.8% DVOA (3rd)

 

2023 

 

Blitzed: -0.06 EPA per dropback (34th), -9.0% DVOA (25th)

Not blitzed: 0.14 EPA per dropback (2nd), 32.9% DVOA (2nd)

 

 

I wonder what is used for an actual pressure statistic. Because against pressure Allen has been number one in the NFL the last couple of years. Not this year yet but those years you reference. 
 

So just using a blitzing stat maybe not the same thing. I guess it obviously isn’t as he could be pressured from a 4 man front or whatever with no blitzes but that is an interesting stat with just blitz vs what pressure is. 

[Dafan]

10 hours ago, finn said:

Have we reached a consensus on how Atlanta beat the Bills? They blitzed like crazy and stacked the box to stop Cook, but why didn't Allen do his thing and hit his outlets? If there's no clear answer, it's a clear invitation for other teams to follow suit as the best way to stop these old-school tactics. 

Cook ran 17 times at an average of 5.17 yards per carry.  I'd hardly call that shutting him down.  Our D is what cost us.  Robinson ran for 170 yards at 8.9 ypc.  Then added almost 70 yards through the air.  That is what cost us.  Well that and 4 sacks on Allen with 2 ints.