BananaB Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago (edited) In Beane’s season ending press conference he’ll say, “We were right there at the end. If you could tell me we had the ball down a score with two minutes left and Josh taking the snaps, I’d take it every time”. Totally oblivious to the fact adding a better player might of helped Josh get the points at the end, or not even be in the situation because they already sealed the victory, Then he’ll sign him in FA and talk about how they almost traded for him at the deadline but didn’t want to give up the picks. Hahah Edited 12 hours ago by BananaB 1 1 Quote
Cray51 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Agreed, and honestly I would prefer Gabe Davis to Shaheed who at least also brings elite blocking to a team who very much is designed to utilize that both in the quick passing game and the run game. Plus IMO Gabe is the more accomplished WR with a better deep game and rapport with Allen and cost us nothing to add to the roster. I dont love Gabe as a WR1 or WR2, but as a guy mixing in with this group, he still has a chance to bring value to the team if his knee stuff is behind him. And (ducks for cover), Davis has consistently stretched the field more than Shaheed (his average depth of catch each year has been higher than Shaheed, meaning he stretches the field more frequently and catches more passes when doing so. I know people hate Davis, but I actually think he can be a very solid #3/4 for this team not only this year, but for the next few 1 1 Quote
Pete Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 8 hours ago, Cray51 said: And (ducks for cover), Davis has consistently stretched the field more than Shaheed (his average depth of catch each year has been higher than Shaheed, meaning he stretches the field more frequently and catches more passes when doing so. I know people hate Davis, but I actually think he can be a very solid #3/4 for this team not only this year, but for the next few You have to catch the ball for it to count History with drops A known issue: Drops were a significant drawback during his time with the Bills, with a career-high of nine in the 2022 season. Inconsistency: This history of drops contributed to his inconsistent performance and the team eventually moving on from him. Current status with the Bills Recent return: Davis rejoined the Buffalo Bills' practice squad in September 2025 after being released by the Jacksonville Jaguars. Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago First off, I've said this a million times already, but the price wouldn't have been a 4th and a 5th for us. If New Orleans has the option of a 4th and 5th from Seattle or from us - they're going to take (and did take) Seattle's. Our record is the same, yes, but historically we make it further than they do and consistently pick below them. And we have a team led by Josh Allen. So for us to get him, we would have had to have beat Seattle's offer. Which we could only do with a 3rd. But beyond that, I think the even bigger issue was that it was 2 picks in the coming Draft. If it were a pick in 2026 and a pick in 2027, that would have been more palatable. But in a year where we only have 7, dropping 2 of them and only having 5 picks is rough. Especially for a guy you only have for half of a season that is more of a role player than a #1 WR. 1 1 Quote
Dan Darragh Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 16 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: This is exactly what I have been saying during all the "go trade for Shaheed" stuff this season. We have already seen this OC not use MVS or Harty last year in that stretch the defense role when they in fact filled similar roles to Shaheed in NO and that was what the point of them being here was supposed to be. This year we have Samuel (4.31 forty) and Moore (4.35 forty) not have their speed used much to open up down field again. Don't forget that Gave ran a 4.54 forty, when he was younger and supposedly fully healthy. He may be useful but he's not going to stretch many defenses on go routes. Quote
SoMAn Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago (edited) 17 hours ago, jwhit34 said: Shaheed was traded for a 4th and a 5th. I Think he's a UFA after the season. Let's say that Beane was offered the same deal, a 4th and a 5th for Shaheed. If I'm Beane, to judge the relative value, I look at the picks I have had in those rounds in the draft as one data point in evaluating the deal. Here is the history since the current regime arrived: Year 4th Round 5th Round 2025 Deone Walker J. Hawes, J. Hancock 2024 Ray Davis S. VP-Granger, J. Solomon, E. Ulafoshio 2023 -------------- J. Shorter 2022 -------------- K. Shakir 2021 -------------- T. Doyle 2020 Gabe Davis J. Fromm 2019 ----------- V. Joseph 2018 Taron Johnson S. Neal, W. Teller 2017 -------------- M. Milano All 4 of the 4th rounders have been good players (I look at this and say don't trade 4th rounders, you have a knack for finding players). 5th rounders have had more hits than misses, with Milano, Teller and Shakir being terrific picks. So in the extreme cases, would you trade Taron Johnson and Wyatt Teller for a rental Shaheed or Walker and Hawes for Shaheed? Give credit to the sellers yesterday, they made out very well. If the Bills were in on some deals and the price paid is indicative of where the market was on others, I think it's probably good that they passed on trades. I said something along those lines a couple of days ago when some of you were crying for a trade upgrade. With consideration to the Bills' cap restrictions and figuring that a lot of the players being dumped would be what amounts to a 9+ game rental, it would be stupid to trade draft picks or other valued men from our roster. Those are the sort of moves that perennial celler-dwellers make. Give Beane credit for considering the long term future and not just a gamble on this season. That said, it's clear from his presser statements that Beane was desperate to upgrade the roster and tried in vain to make a move. Not sure who he had his eye on (anyone here know or care to speculate?) But, getting a good player that can contribute comes with a price. In his estimation, there wasn't a deal that would pay dividends for the future. It's a good bet he was looking for a DT or WR (duh). I'm more inclined to think it was a DT. Edited 2 hours ago by SoMAn Quote
Bill from NYC Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 16 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: The best thing that came out of this trade deadline was all the stuff coming out about Beane being actively calling on legit WR1 type options. Gives me hope that this offseason and draft it will be a top priority and hopefully we see them either land one in FA/Trade (no idea who is going to be available) or aggressive in getting one in the draft, including moving up to do so. I wouldn't get my hopes up so high. There are lots of good defensive tackles and cornerbacks in the upcomming draft. Quote
artmalibu Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago In 4 years he only out produced Coleman's rookie season in 1 of them. Doesnt give me a lot of confidence that he would be the missing link. Quote
GunnerBill Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 8 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: I wouldn't get my hopes up so high. There are lots of good defensive tackles and cornerbacks in the upcomming draft. There is genuinely a bit of a point about whether you really want to use a first on a WR in 2026 when the 2027 class looks at this stage potentially epic. I know you were talking half in jest but it isn't a great CB crop (and there is zero chance Beane spends a high pick on a corner this year anyway) but it IS a strong defensive line group. And take it from the man himself - he will "never apologise" for prioritising the defensive line. If I had to put money on the position of the Bills 2026 first round pick right now I'd put it on a defensive lineman. Probably EDGE over DT, but one or the other. Quote
FireChans Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: First off, I've said this a million times already, but the price wouldn't have been a 4th and a 5th for us. If New Orleans has the option of a 4th and 5th from Seattle or from us - they're going to take (and did take) Seattle's. Our record is the same, yes, but historically we make it further than they do and consistently pick below them. And we have a team led by Josh Allen. So for us to get him, we would have had to have beat Seattle's offer. Which we could only do with a 3rd. But beyond that, I think the even bigger issue was that it was 2 picks in the coming Draft. If it were a pick in 2026 and a pick in 2027, that would have been more palatable. But in a year where we only have 7, dropping 2 of them and only having 5 picks is rough. Especially for a guy you only have for half of a season that is more of a role player than a #1 WR. I mean, we could have offered two 4ths and a 5th. It didn’t need to be a third. Quote
Bill from NYC Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: There is genuinely a bit of a point about whether you really want to use a first on a WR in 2026 when the 2027 class looks at this stage potentially epic. I know you were talking half in jest but it isn't a great CB crop (and there is zero chance Beane spends a high pick on a corner this year anyway) but it IS a strong defensive line group. And take it from the man himself - he will "never apologise" for prioritising the defensive line. If I had to put money on the position of the Bills 2026 first round pick right now I'd put it on a defensive lineman. Probably EDGE over DT, but one or the other. I don't know GB. There might be a slow receiver or two that McDermott might want to trade down for. Quote
oldmanfan Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago If Beane had a shot at someone like Olave or Waddle or Brown (I had my eye on Jeudy personally) and didn’t pull the trigger I’d be ticked off. I’m not sure Shaheen would have added much to the current roster. Brady does not call go routes, and if he wanted to Moore of Samuel could do so. I do think Brady needs to be more inventive with route trees, particularly with Coleman. But then again, we are the #1 offense in yards per game in the NFL, so what do I know? Quote
Cray51 Posted 4 minutes ago Posted 4 minutes ago 3 hours ago, Pete said: You have to catch the ball for it to count History with drops A known issue: Drops were a significant drawback during his time with the Bills, with a career-high of nine in the 2022 season. Inconsistency: This history of drops contributed to his inconsistent performance and the team eventually moving on from him. Current status with the Bills Recent return: Davis rejoined the Buffalo Bills' practice squad in September 2025 after being released by the Jacksonville Jaguars. Drops have been a concern,but Shaheed's catch rate has only been marginally better than Davis in his career. Palmer has a better rate than both, so if the goal is a downfield threat with hands Palmer is better than Davis or Shaheed. 1 Quote
Pete Posted 2 minutes ago Posted 2 minutes ago 2 minutes ago, Cray51 said: Drops have been a concern,but Shaheed's catch rate has only been marginally better than Davis in his career. Palmer has a better rate than both, so if the goal is a downfield threat with hands Palmer is better than Davis or Shaheed. Let's get to know Rashid Shaheed: Age: 27 Height: 6'0" Weight: 180 Targeted: 66 Receptions: 44 Receiving yards: 499 Receiving touchdowns: 2 Drops: 0 That's 55.4 yards per game. PFF grade: 66.9 Receiving grade: 70.3 Pass snaps: 317 Routes run: 299 Passer rating when targeted 80.3 Quote
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