Snap counts for the Bills in Chiefs game

[iccrewman112]

Curtis Samuel out snapping Kincaid by 17-18%

[hondo in seattle]

Poyer in on 57% of the defensive snaps.

I didn't realize he played that much.

Maybe his presence & communication helped Cole be in the right place at the right time.

[BillsFan130]

Kincaid at only 23 snaps is still insanely low. I hope this is due to easing him back from injury, because he needs to be out there as much as possible

[HappyDays]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

Kincaid at only 23 snaps is still insanely low. I hope this is due to easing him back from injury, because he needs to be out there as much as possible

 

Knox and Hawes are better run blockers so it makes sense that Kincaid's snap counts will be lower, especially in a game we got up by two scores. Same reason Coleman and Shavers are still getting a higher than you'd expect snap share.

[BillsFan130]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

Knox and Hawes are better run blockers so it makes sense that Kincaid's snap counts will be lower, especially in a game we got up by two scores. Same reason Coleman and Shavers are still getting a higher than you'd expect snap share.

I understand that. I just strongly disagree with it.

 

He is your best play maker. 23 snaps is just insane to me

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I understand that. I just strongly disagree with it.

 

He is your best play maker. 23 snaps is just insane to me

 

Yeah I hear you but our personnel is built to run the ball and we have to live with that. If you put Kincaid on the Diggs/Brown/Beasley offense he would feast. With the current roster construction he's more a chess piece that you deploy situationally. I can't complain when it works as well as it did yesterday.

 

Also I'm still not convinced Kincaid has earned a full time heavy volume role. To my eyes he is winning mostly with his pure athletic gifts which make him a mismatch versus LBs. I don't think he has gotten the nuances of the position totally down yet. Still doesn't do a great job of working open in zone or on scramble drills. But when you ask him to just run by his man, or give him a manufactured catch and run opportunity, that's when his gifts become valuable.

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah I hear you but our personnel is built to run the ball and we have to live with that. If you put Kincaid on the Diggs/Brown/Beasley offense he would feast. With the current roster construction he's more a chess piece that you deploy situationally. I can't complain when it works as well as it did yesterday.

 

Also I'm still not convinced Kincaid has earned a full time heavy volume role. To my eyes he is winning mostly with his pure athletic gifts which make him a mismatch versus LBs. I don't think he has gotten the nuances of the position totally down yet. Still doesn't do a great job of working open in zone or on scramble drills. But when you ask him to just run by his man, or give him a manufactured catch and run opportunity, that's when his gifts become valuable.

Fair points. I just think Brady is over thinking it a bit though.

 

Like, just get your best players on the field. 

I don't know the stats, but I would assume the bills are seeing a lot more man coverage this year as they don't really have a true separator.

 

So you would think you would want your best separator on the field more in Kincaid, especially given the passing game struggles at times this year 

[Sierra Foothills]

11 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

It's almost as if they're load managing Kincaid.  Why have him block and get worn down when they have Knox, the Rookie and Gillum?  

 

Also, considering he's missed 6 of the last 26 games to injury, it's maybe a good idea to load manage him.

 

10 hours ago, sven233 said:

Ingram played way too much.  He was a liability out there.  And I am fine now after 2 weeks with Hairston starting and playing all, but at least a majority, of the snaps.  Same with Hancock.  Let the kids play, learn on the job, and be ready to roll in January.  The speed difference is so noticeable when the kids are playing.  They need to be playing the majority of the time at minimum going forward.

 

Considering Ingram's only played 28 games in his career, I'd say he's a "kid" too. I'm glad the team showed confidence in him in a big game... you could see from Hard Knocks that he has a confidence problem. But the kid has some excellent tools too.

 

[Pete]

13 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

It's almost as if they're load managing Kincaid.  Why have him block and get worn down when they have Knox, the Rookie and Gillum?  

Same with Reggie.  Reggie only played 17 plays.  I think I can recall every play- Gilliam leveled someone 

[BearNorth]

3 hours ago, Pete said:

Same with Reggie.  Reggie only played 17 plays.  I think I can recall every play- Gilliam leveled someone 

Reggie also played 21 special teams snaps, and he's 245 # - Including teams he has played 301 snaps which is more than any of our TE's.

 

[GunnerBill]

17 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

Notables:

 

Kincaid with big receiving day but played fewest snaps of TE’s

Bills in persistent dime

Hairston seeing way more time and in a critical game - He will start soon.

 

Kincaid's snaps suffer because of how well Hawes and Knox are blocking for the run game. 

10 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah I hear you but our personnel is built to run the ball and we have to live with that. If you put Kincaid on the Diggs/Brown/Beasley offense he would feast. With the current roster construction he's more a chess piece that you deploy situationally. I can't complain when it works as well as it did yesterday.

 

Also I'm still not convinced Kincaid has earned a full time heavy volume role. To my eyes he is winning mostly with his pure athletic gifts which make him a mismatch versus LBs. I don't think he has gotten the nuances of the position totally down yet. Still doesn't do a great job of working open in zone or on scramble drills. But when you ask him to just run by his man, or give him a manufactured catch and run opportunity, that's when his gifts become valuable.

 

It's back to my point all season (and actually all offseason in the Cook debates) - this isn't the offense I'd build, but it is the best way of running the offense we have. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

12 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Knox and Hawes are better run blockers so it makes sense that Kincaid's snap counts will be lower, especially in a game we got up by two scores. Same reason Coleman and Shavers are still getting a higher than you'd expect snap share.

Maybe I'm daffy, but in run formations like that, I would rather see Kincaid left in and split out wide in Shavers/Coleman's spot. 

 

I think that defenses would still have to respect his ability as a receiver, possibly even roll another guy over to help the CB where they don't have to do that with the other two. Kincaid has improved as a blocker and I have every confidence he can handle a CB. Just gives the defense something else to have to cover and think about.

[DrDawkinstein]

18 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I get we get on the bills for potentially running too much but the flip side of that coin is the chiefs who can’t really run on nickel or dime.  Pretty tough to win a game that way 

 

How much of this is Pacheco being out? And will they look completely different if/when we face them again in the playoffs?

 

[boyst]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

How much of this is Pacheco being out? And will they look completely different if/when we face them again in the playoffs?

 

Pacheco really isn't doing it like he used to and has to be a disappointment for the Chiefs. Availability is the number one concern with him but his effectiveness is far down. He isn't getting it done and maybe starting to wear out.

 

A lot of their team seems this way; slowed down or ran out. This isn't the same as guys like Chris Jones who just doesn't seem to care; this is Karlaftis, Tranquill, Bolton, and Chanell. Basically, their front 7 is spent or vastly underperforming.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, boyst said:

Pacheco really isn't doing it like he used to and has to be a disappointment for the Chiefs. Availability is the number one concern with him but his effectiveness is far down. He isn't getting it done and maybe starting to wear out.

 

A lot of their team seems this way; slowed down or ran out. This isn't the same as guys like Chris Jones who just doesn't seem to care; this is Karlaftis, Tranquill, Bolton, and Chanell. Basically, their front 7 is spent or vastly underperforming.

 

I hope so, because I have a real concern about Pacheco coming back and looking like Bijan/Falcons against us in the playoffs.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

14 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

How much of this is Pacheco being out? And will they look completely different if/when we face them again in the playoffs?

 

It could have a little to do with Pacheco getting back in the swing of things after his injury last season if we’re talkin long term.

 

he hasn’t looked any better than Kareem hunt in the short term to me though

[nosejob]

18 hours ago, Brand J said:

A lot of the break downs came with him in there too, not that that’s unexpected.

There was Rice running a post and Ingram seemed to just stand there and watch him.

[Brand J]

1 minute ago, nosejob said:

There was Rice running a post and Ingram seemed to just stand there and watch him.

Erik Turner highlighted another where Bishop communicated a change in coverage - Benford got the memo, Ingram ended up covering grass as his man ran for 20 on a 2nd and 16. I counted at least 3 breakdowns with him in the lineup. The 3rd and 10 “pick play” was another that shouldn’t have happened in that down and distance.

[nosejob]

2 minutes ago, Brand J said:

Erik Turner highlighted another where Bishop communicated a change in coverage - Benford got the memo, Ingram ended up covering grass as his man ran for 20 on a 2nd and 16. I counted at least 3 breakdowns with him in the lineup. The 3rd and 10 “pick play” was another that shouldn’t have happened in that down and distance.

I thought he'd be better than that but what do I know, other than I owe Cam Lewis more respect than I have given him.

[boyst]

20 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I hope so, because I have a real concern about Pacheco coming back and looking like Bijan/Falcons against us in the playoffs.

i understand this but i also see it as teams look at us like their Super Bowl and when they match up well against us they can really deliver a punch.

 

I have seen far too many people say that the Chiefs did not care or are only interested in the playoffs. they needed the win for the playoffs. they had more on the line in theory than the playoff games.