Are McBeane secretly creating an elite offense?

[Fan in Chicago]

14 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Every single good team has games like these. That’s why it’s the NFL and elite teams don’t go 17-0 every season. 2007 Giants lost 4 straight home games. 

Let's see what happens the next time we are down two scores late in the 4th Q and have to throw to win, shall we?

[BobbyC81]

On 10/31/2025 at 3:12 AM, Pete said:

Bills running game, and offense is much better when under the center.  Another tip for you Joe.

 

Yes Bills are so predictable Joe Brady.   It’s easy for me to know from my couch what the Bills are calling.  
 

You are correct sir- 12 and 13 personal- we are going to run.  Shotgun we are passing.  2nd and 2 we are running instead of play action.  Me and many have been pounding the table for more passing out of 12 and 13  personal.  The numbers back my claim- Bills are very successful passing out this formation.  Don’t the Bills have an analytics program?  Does Brady not believe in analytics?

How about QB sneaks by Josh always going to the left?  KC was ready for it in last year’s playoff game, so they ran it again, and again unsuccessfully.   Duh!

[BullBuchanan]

Well, if the Bills offense wasn't secretly elite as of yesterday, what about now? KC just allowed their first 100 yard rusher, AND their first 100 yard receiver, AND the second highest point total of the season.

[NoSaint]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

Well, if the Bills offense wasn't secretly elite as of yesterday, what about now? KC just allowed their first 100 yard rusher, AND their first 100 yard receiver, AND the second highest point total of the season.

it’s weird… you roll in things like the tush push or a pass to James cook on 3rd down and better things happen. 
 

At our worst we were structurally bone headed. Today was less boneheaded. 
 

we still have limitations but this matchup didn’t play to those weaknesses as much 

[CincyBillsFan]

15 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Well, if the Bills offense wasn't secretly elite as of yesterday, what about now? KC just allowed their first 100 yard rusher, AND their first 100 yard receiver, AND the second highest point total of the season.

I would say that the more aggressive and successful throws downfield seemed to open things up even more.

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

3 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I would say that the more aggressive and successful throws downfield seemed to open things up even more.

 

 

Our TE's had a feast tonight.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 hours ago, NoSaint said:

it’s weird… you roll in things like the tush push or a pass to James cook on 3rd down and better things happen. 
 

At our worst we were structurally bone headed. Today was less boneheaded. 
 

we still have limitations but this matchup didn’t play to those weaknesses as much 

This matchup not playing to our weaknesses was completely intentional for the record lol. The team is molded to do exactly what it did today to the chiefs.  We’ve had not much of a pass catching threat from the outside WRs for two consecutive seasons now and despite that have the 3 highest offensive point totals against the chiefs among afc teams in that time.  (3 of the 4 if you’re counting the total nfl) 
 

 jags did score 31 but there was a pick 6 in that one 

Edited 15 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Psautcsk]

8 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Well, if the Bills offense wasn't secretly elite as of yesterday, what about now? KC just allowed their first 100 yard rusher, AND their first 100 yard receiver, AND the second highest point total of the season.

Can't argue with this after that game of balanced football. 

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

This matchup not playing to our weaknesses was completely intentional for the record lol. The team is molded to do exactly what it did today to the chiefs.  We’ve had not much of a pass catching threat from the outside WRs for two consecutive seasons now and despite that have the 3 highest offensive point totals against the chiefs among afc teams in that time.  (3 of the 4 if you’re counting the total nfl) 
 

 jags did score 31 but there was a pick 6 in that one 

i tend to agree that we are very focused on designing to beat kc

[nuklz2594]

ball control offense. the online was dominant. all starts in the trenches for online and dline

[Big Turk]

When Allen is happy to take the easy throws and free yards, this offense just moves the ball and puts up points.  When he refuses to do that we can struggle at times.

[Dunkirk Donski]

3 hours ago, nuklz2594 said:

ball control offense. the online was dominant. all starts in the trenches for online and dline

Not to toot any horns but we were killin it in here yesterday.  Great job boys

 

[Matt_In_NH]

Would an elite offense be top 5 in points per game and first in yards per game?

Edited 7 hours ago by Matt_In_NH

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

When Allen is happy to take the easy throws and free yards, this offense just moves the ball and puts up points.  When he refuses to do that we can struggle at times.

 

But there are also plays where you need a WR to separate outside and that remains a problem for us.

 

The 2nd video, if we had a legit outside WR instead of Coleman that WR might have gotten open and that was Allen's 2nd progression in the play.

 

Shakir gets chucked at the line which makes him late to his route break, the break is also rounded which gives Bryan Cook time and leverage to get involved at the catch point.

 

And then that 3rd and 10 screen to Shakir, we only call plays like that because Brady knows we don't have a traditional drop back pass game where we can expect somebody to separate quickly.

 

Love the win yesterday. We ran well and Allen got back to his 2024 hyper efficient play style. But don't let the win cover up the fact that we still have a major issue at outside WR. There are several plays that pop up on tape where we just need our X to win his route to give us a chance at a completion, and Coleman just can't do it.

[dave mcbride]

7 hours ago, NoSaint said:

i tend to agree that we are very focused on designing to beat kc

When they signed Bosa, I immediately recalled a couple of games earlier in his career where he was an absolute beast vs Mahomes and the o-line. I just checked, and he a bunch of games with sacks and TFLs plus a forced fumble or two. Of course, being the Chargers, they tended to lose those close games in brutal fashion, including multiple single score losses and a couple in OT. But they didn't lose because of Bosa, who KC really struggled to handle.  Anyway, I am guessing that Beane noticed the same.

Edited 3 hours ago by dave mcbride

[Big Turk]

13 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

But there are also plays where you need a WR to separate outside and that remains a problem for us.

 

The 2nd video, if we had a legit outside WR instead of Coleman that WR might have gotten open and that was Allen's 2nd progression in the play.

 

Shakir gets chucked at the line which makes him late to his route break, the break is also rounded which gives Bryan Cook time and leverage to get involved at the catch point.

 

And then that 3rd and 10 screen to Shakir, we only call plays like that because Brady knows we don't have a traditional drop back pass game where we can expect somebody to separate quickly.

 

Love the win yesterday. We ran well and Allen got back to his 2024 hyper efficient play style. But don't let the win cover up the fact that we still have a major issue at outside WR. There are several plays that pop up on tape where we just need our X to win his route to give us a chance at a completion, and Coleman just can't do it.

 

It may just be me but I think Gabe Davis's deep ball ability as WR4 like he was when he first got to the Bills and the return of Palmer who was starting to come on I thought as of late are going to play key roles for this team moving forward...

 

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

It may just be me but I think Gabe Davis's deep ball ability as WR4 like he was when he first got to the Bills and the return of Palmer who was starting to come on I thought as of late are going to play key roles for this team moving forward...

 

 

I have no confidence at all that Gabe will give us anything. He's spent months recovering from a lower leg injury and was already held out of practice on Friday because of "soreness." Even when healthy he is not the answer at X. If he recovers and pushes Shavers off the roster sure I'm fine with that.

 

Palmer is our best outside WR right now, getting him back will help for sure. But he is definitely not a #1. Sometimes you just need your best guy to beat their best guy. Palmer isn't somebody that could beat Trent McDuffie for example 1v1. We need more there.

 

Our offense works great when we have high success rates on 1st and 2nd down. The problem is that any 0 yard or negative play immediately gets us out of our preferred drive script. 3rd and 7 or longer feels almost insurmountable. Having a legit X gives us the double benefit of having one more option to keep our 1st and 2nd downs on schedule, and the possibility of converting a 3rd and long versus running a surrender screen to Shakir.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by HappyDays

[Big Turk]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I have no confidence at all that Gabe will give us anything. He's spent months recovering from a lower leg injury and was already held out of practice on Friday because of "soreness." Even when healthy he is not the answer at X. If he recovers and pushes Shavers off the roster sure I'm fine with that.

 

Palmer is our best outside WR right now, getting him back will help for sure. But he is definitely not a #1. Sometimes you just need your best guy to beat their best guy. Palmer isn't somebody that could beat Trent McDuffie for example 1v1. We need more there.

 

Our offense works great when we have high success rates on 1st and 2nd down. The problem is that any 0 yard or negative play immediately gets us out of our preferred drive script. 3rd and 7 or longer feels almost insurmountable. Having a legit X gives us the double benefit of having one more option to keep our 1st and 2nd downs on schedule, and the possibility of converting a 3rd and long versus running a surrender screen to Shakir.

 

 

Are you sure about that? Because in the AFCCG last year I saw Mack Hollins beat Trent McDuffie for a 35 yard TD right before the half.

[dorquemada]

8 hours ago, Psautcsk said:

Can't argue with this after that game of balanced football. 

 

Balanced, yes!  Would you perhaps even say....complimentary? 

[Big Turk]

15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I have no confidence at all that Gabe will give us anything. He's spent months recovering from a lower leg injury and was already held out of practice on Friday because of "soreness." Even when healthy he is not the answer at X. If he recovers and pushes Shavers off the roster sure I'm fine with that.

 

Palmer is our best outside WR right now, getting him back will help for sure. But he is definitely not a #1. Sometimes you just need your best guy to beat their best guy. Palmer isn't somebody that could beat Trent McDuffie for example 1v1. We need more there.

 

Our offense works great when we have high success rates on 1st and 2nd down. The problem is that any 0 yard or negative play immediately gets us out of our preferred drive script. 3rd and 7 or longer feels almost insurmountable. Having a legit X gives us the double benefit of having one more option to keep our 1st and 2nd downs on schedule, and the possibility of converting a 3rd and long versus running a surrender screen to Shakir.

 

 

Gabe will be good to go within a month or so, perfect for the stretch run, IMO

 

The man is 26 years old, let's not act like he is on the other side of 30.

Edited 3 hours ago by Big Turk