Bills Don't have Receiver Problem, they have a perception problem-- Jim Kubiak BN

[folz]

19 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Uh context dude.  Read all posts and realize sarcasm is a thing.  

 

Sorry Matt...yeah, I missed the context of your post, scrolling through the thread quickly.

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

lol.  It’s the best when people put words in your mouth to twist the convo.  You were discussing Mahomes’ sack rate doubling Josh’s last season. The majority of the world would agree that the main factor in that would be KCs offensive line. 

 

It’s a fact that Mahomes’ offensive line was horrid last year….no?  Or was it just Mahomes failing to adjust and process fast enough?  
 

It’s a fact that Josh’s line is in the upper tier of OL’s, no?   Or are they terrible and Josh was just Superman and made them look great every game?

 

those are just facts. Not made up delusions.  Sometimes, when Josh gets sacked, (this year especially) it’s because he doesn’t adjust protections, decipher the blitz and hit his hot route quick enough.  That happens to every QB.  It happens at a much higher rate for QBs that play behind offensive lines with 2 terrible offensive tackles.  Just so happened to be the major reason why Mahomes’ sack rate was twice Josh’s last season.  Or do you think Josh is twice as good at reading defenses and adjusting protections?  If he was last year, he certainly isn’t this year

im genuinely curious in this take after witnessing the lowest negative play rate in history last season

 

Did Allen not 'adjust protections' last season? If he did, why couldn't Mahomes? Maybe Allen forgot how to do it this year and Mahomes suddenly remembered?

 

and yes, Allen 100% makes the pass pro look better than it actually is

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

im genuinely curious in this take after witnessing the lowest negative play rate in history last season

 

Did Allen not 'adjust protections' last season? If he did, why couldn't Mahomes? Maybe Allen forgot how to do it this year and Mahomes suddenly remembered?

Josh did a much better job last season.  He didn’t do a good job on the season ending play last season.  But I’m sure you’ll put that on someone else and no blame on Josh.  
 

it’s a year to year league and Josh isn’t doing as well as he did last year in that department.  He needs to improve on how he’s been dealing with the blitz this year. Again, facts.  Everyone would agree except those that can’t accept putting any blame on 17.  

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

and yes, Allen 100% makes the pass pro look better than it actually is

Oh man.  See how you do this?  
 

i said this “It’s a fact that Josh’s line is in the upper tier of OL’s, no?   Or are they terrible and Josh was just Superman and made them look great every game?

 

and that’s how you answer it.  😂
 

Obviously he makes them look better at times.  Most mobile QBs do that for their OL   But our OL IS good.  kCs OL has not been great.

 

Or maybe Josh actually is twice as good at reading defenses, adjusting protections and avoiding sacks as Mahomes.  And that’s the only reason that Mahomes had double the sack rate as Allen

 

have a great night man.  

[4th&long]

Not a "perception" problem, the have a reception problem as in no one can get open and catch the ball. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, NewEra said:

Josh did a much better job last season.  He didn’t do a good job on the season ending play last season.  But I’m sure you’ll put that on someone else and no blame on Josh.  
 

it’s a year to year league and Josh isn’t doing as well as he did last year in that department.  He needs to improve on how he’s been dealing with the blitz this year. Again, facts.  Everyone would agree except those that can’t accept putting any blame on 17.  

Oh man.  See how you do this?  
 

i said this “It’s a fact that Josh’s line is in the upper tier of OL’s, no?   Or are they terrible and Josh was just Superman and made them look great every game?

 

and that’s how you answer it.  😂
 

Obviously he makes them look better at times.  Most mobile QBs do that for their OL   But our OL IS good.  kCs OL has not been great.

 

Or maybe Josh actually is twice as good at reading defenses, adjusting protections and avoiding sacks as Mahomes.  And that’s the only reason that Mahomes had double the sack rate as Allen

 

have a great night man.  

have you been watching the pass pro this yr? Would you characterize it as upper tier?

 

or better yet, just answer this: imagine a QB completing 68% of his passes for 12 TDs/4 INTs, 6th in ypa, league average in sacks...w the receivers we currently have. How much better do you need that QB to play? MVP level? Probably is what you're saying, right...so anything other than MVP level play from Allen means he's to blame? 

 

I mean ffs you just did it yourself when Mahomes has a couple down yrs- 'oh he had a bad oline' YES he had a bad oline and some questionable pass catchers (not as bad as us, but still)...I'm not going to blame him for 'reading defenses' or 'adjusting protections' poorly because there are contributing factors. He didn't just forget how to play, and neither did Allen. there are REASONS why these things happen

[Matt_In_NH]

42 minutes ago, folz said:

 

Sorry Matt...yeah, I missed the context of your post, scrolling through the thread quickly.

We are on the same team!!!

[bigduke6]

10 hours ago, SCBills said:

We’d have multiple SB appearances if not for KC. 

yep,  the offenses are a wash,  Mahomes and Allen cancel each other imo.  Patty has had the better D by far over the span.  thats the difference.  one team has Chris Jones,  the other has nothing thats a true game wrecker on the D. 

 

McD knows this,  he's not stupid.  why he's always wanted a solid run game.  we hear it all the time,  he wants to protect his D, cuz he knows its not reliable enough.  

Edited 21 hours ago by bigduke6

[Nihilarian]

Buffalo doesn't have a perception problem or a receiver problem! What they do have is an offensive coordinator problem, and like Greg Roman, he knows how to set up a brilliant run scheme. I believe Aaron Kromer, the O-line coach, is helping with this. However, his passing offense is not very effective. Even Roman has his QB with more TDs and fewer INTs this season so far, Justin Herbert. 

 

Now, if either of Buffalo's assistant coaches were worth a damn, what happened with Atlanta as their fierce pass rush got to Josh and made him look ordinary? The world knew that Atlanta was a blitz-heavy team, and yet the Buffalo offense seemed so unprepared to face them. It's like they didn't even game plan for the Falcons. 

 

What happened to the quick outs to the "best 3rd down back in the NFL" in Ty Johnson, who currently has 7 targets, 2 receptions for the entire season!  What happened to the "max" protect offensive scheme, which basically consists of keeping extra blockers in to pick up the blitzes? RB James Cook didn't even get a pass target in that game and was only on the field for 53% of the offensive snaps. Why no max protect and why no quick out passes to anyone?

 

While having a top running attack in the NFL is great, an NFL team simply can't be one-dimensional and win a championship. Yes, last season the Eagles got to the big dance by running Barkley for 2005 yards with 621 attempts rushing vs 448 passing attempts, which got them a 14-3 record. However, in the SB, it was their defense with a fierce pass rush and their passing game that won that SB for them. 

 

McD needs to see that his OC is flawed in the passing game and either replace him, like he did in 2023, or find a passing game coordinator to open up the Buffalo pass game. As much as I love the current Buffalo run game and O-line, the Buffalo passing offense should be much better than it is with an alien inicorn at QB. 

 

 

 

[Cubanmist 1]

It’s articles like this that enrages me! That is just one man’s point of view against everyone else who believes that we do indeed have a problem at WR.
 

I’m so tired of the bargain picks and dumpster diving at that position. Beane needs to cut it out already or face the music by WGR, Bills Mafia, news outlets, and journalists alike at the end of the season. 
 

Separately, Josh has got to get his ***** together. He needs to spend a little more time working on his progression, his aim, and freaking mechanics. He isn’t a rookie anymore! One other thing that I dislike about him is that he isn’t vocal. I want to see him fire up his offense and occasionally light a fire on his WRs / coach / OC. That’s what makes elite QBs elite. Be vocal and tell your coaches when you don’t like a call that was just called, or when someone is not on the same page as you. That’s discipline!

Edited 20 hours ago by Cubanmist 1

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Sorry but the WRs are terrible and Brady is not good at his job. Allen saves him and a few out patterns to Shakir that he broke a ton of tackles for scores skews the data. 

We can watch the games for ourselves.

 

Shakir and Kincaid should be getting double digit targets per game. No different than Gronk and Edelman.  Just copy the Patriots.

 

[blacklabel]

My conspiracy take is that Josh got his bell rung really hard against the Pats. He scrambled and on the tackle his head whiplashed into the turf. He appeared a little wobbly when teammates helped him up and the game broadcast went to another shot. You could hear the analysts kind of beginning to wonder if something had happened but they went silent on that real quick and then just went back to calling the game. About 7-8 minutes went by until we saw a shot of Josh on the bench. 

 

It was just a weird sequence IMO. Usually if it appears like a player may have been hurt but was able to get to the sidelines the analysts discuss it while the cameras follow said player for a beat. The fact that everything in this situation was opposite of how it usually goes was interesting. 

 

The next few drives they had the dude was way off on a number of throws. 

 

Again, just my conspiracy take.

[Sgt. Ski]

On 10/30/2025 at 7:49 AM, BuffaloBillyG said:

No, Jim. We indeed have a receiver problem. No one can get open, which also forces us to turn to the run. I fear that soon that will lead to a RB problem  because Cook is taking a lot of hits and we have no capable RB behind him to take some of the early season wear and tear off.

 

We are one dimensional with the most gifted QB on Earth. It's like taking the tires off a Ferrari and replacing them with sandbags.

somebody hid his cape!

 

[Buffalo ill]

The Bills philosophy is to put a high performance engine (Allen) and solid transmission (oline) in a ratty old car, and then only drive it to the grocery store.

[Mikey152]

18 hours ago, Cubanmist 1 said:

It’s articles like this that enrages me! That is just one man’s point of view against everyone else who believes that we do indeed have a problem at WR.
 

I’m so tired of the bargain picks and dumpster diving at that position. Beane needs to cut it out already or face the music by WGR, Bills Mafia, news outlets, and journalists alike at the end of the season. 
 

Separately, Josh has got to get his ***** together. He needs to spend a little more time working on his progression, his aim, and freaking mechanics. He isn’t a rookie anymore! One other thing that I dislike about him is that he isn’t vocal. I want to see him fire up his offense and occasionally light a fire on his WRs / coach / OC. That’s what makes elite QBs elite. Be vocal and tell your coaches when you don’t like a call that was just called, or when someone is not on the same page as you. That’s discipline!

This is what I don't understand...

 

Bargain picks?  They have used their first pick 3 out of the past 6 years on a pass catcher. 

 

Kincaid 1st, Knox 3rd, Hawes 5th, Coleman 2nd, Palmer 3rd, Moore 2nd, Samuel 3rd, Shakir 5th, Shavers UD

 

I don't know why we are acting like this is a bunch of scrubs. All of the "dumpster" dives (Palmer, Moore, Samuel) have put up at least 50 catches and 600 yards in a season (Samuel has 4) and are under 30 yo.

 

People love killing Keon by putting up that route tree from Matt Harmon.  Maybe they should go look at the ones Curtis Samuel had in his years before Buffalo or what Matt Harmon had to say about him.

Edited 1 hour ago by Mikey152

[Buffalo716]

21 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

im genuinely curious in this take after witnessing the lowest negative play rate in history last season

 

Did Allen not 'adjust protections' last season? If he did, why couldn't Mahomes? Maybe Allen forgot how to do it this year and Mahomes suddenly remembered?

 

and yes, Allen 100% makes the pass pro look better than it actually is

Any top 10 quarterback should make pass protection look better than it is 

 

It doesn't take away the fact that there's not 5-6 better lines in the NFL in a league with a shortage of good line play 

 

There's only x amount of practice time and you are good at what you practice.. bills are running the ball heavily so they're obviously working on their run blocking assignments more than passing right now 

 

Hence why the run blocking looks better than the pass blocking... You're not running the ball like the bills are unless it's a massive part of practice and focus 

 

So it's going to take a little longer for the pass blocking to gel , but there's absolutely not many lines better today 

 

I think the pass blocking will look really good this Sunday and hopefully it's the catalyst towards the rest of the season... If Josh is hitting his back foot and getting rid of a ball we're going to look really good

Edited 59 minutes ago by Buffalo716

[Einstein]

21 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Did Allen not 'adjust protections' last season? If he did, why couldn't Mahomes? Maybe Allen forgot how to do it this year and Mahomes suddenly remembered?

 

There are people on here who actually think this is happening.

That Allen suddenly forgot how to play football.
 

21 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

 

and yes, Allen 100% makes the pass pro look better than it actually is

one million percent

[BADOLBILZ]

42 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

This is what I don't understand...

 

Bargain picks?  They have used their first pick 3 out of the past 6 years on a pass catcher. 

 

Kincaid 1st, Knox 3rd, Hawes 5th, Coleman 2nd, Palmer 3rd, Moore 2nd, Samuel 3rd, Shakir 5th, Shavers UD

 

I don't know why we are acting like this is a bunch of scrubs. All of the "dumpster" dives (Palmer, Moore, Samuel) have put up at least 50 catches and 600 yards in a season (Samuel has 4) and are under 30 yo.

 

People love killing Keon by putting up that route tree from Matt Harmon.  Maybe they should go look at the ones Curtis Samuel had in his years before Buffalo or what Matt Harmon had to say about him.

 

 

If you want to have receivers nowadays........you really gotta' invest.  

 

It's a premium position.

 

Let's compare your claims that the Bills have invested so much.

 

The Chiefs current WR corps consists of 2 first rounders and 3 second rounders.

 

And I don't think the league views their group as elite.

 

That's the going rate for having a competitive WR corps........and don't forget they had a bust in Skyy Moore in there too and had acquired a first rounder in Hilarius Toney 3 years ago as well.   They have thrown a lot of darts at that board.   By comparison Beane hasn't done sh!t.