What's wrong with Josh?

[RunTheBall]

It’s multi-factorial why he’s in a funk, but the simple fact is we need to be able to win games when Josh isn’t playing like an MVP and we just dropped a 40 burger on a team which had a 3 game win streak. 

 

I think teams are rushing him very differently than years past and he hasn’t figured it out yet. They all rush contained and do everything to keep him rolling to his right along with a mirror player who’s ready to trigger when he breaks the pocket. Why Brady can’t take advantage of this clear defensive plan is mind boggling to me. 

 

He’s also protecting himself for the playoffs, and that’s a good adjustment to his game. There’s no need for him to be rushing and taking shots in the second quarter of a regular season game. He had to adjust how and when he runs to preserve his longevity. Those hits add up and I know I know QBs are more likely to be injured in the pocket.

 

Finally, we absolutely need to get a WR who can stretch the field. I think Shaheed is the most likely target in terms of availability and cost. He can also take over punt/kick return duties which have been meh at best

 

Coleman is rapidly becoming my least liked player on offense. He really offers nothing, his demeanor is pretty awful from what I can see on TV. He looks like a sulker. I don’t mind him as a 3-4 target a game option but he’s not even freeing up on the scrambles. What does this guy offer? Near nothing. What a waste of a pick.

 

 

 

[Einstein]

7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Josh hasn’t been very good all year (by his standards).

 

7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

His guys are rarely open on top of that. 

 

Almost like those 2 things are correlated.

 

Agree with your thoughts on him getting hit. Seems to help. Daboll would get him hit early.

[TheWei44]

59 minutes ago, Gregg said:

12 of 19 for 163 yards 1 TD with no interceptions is a fine passing day when Cook has 19 rushes for 216 yards and 2 TDs in a 40-9 win

Yes, and when you play basically 3 quarters!

[Gregg]

Just now, TheWei44 said:

Yes, and when you play basically 3 quarters!

 

Exactly. When you are running the ball the way the Bills did yesterday then there is no need to really throw it. 

[TheWei44]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

Exactly. When you are running the ball the way the Bills did yesterday then there is no need to really throw it. 

And Josh had two rushing TDs as well. There's generally not a lot to complain about on either side of the ball when you win 40-9 and rest starters in the fourth quarter.

[HOUSE]

It's a WR conspiracy to purposely avoid separation. 

Josh has this blank stare, like WTF?

[zow2]

Someone should make sure to point Josh to this thread.  So he can understand what's wrong with him.

[DCOrange]

7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

People smarter than me would know better, but my first watch of this version of the play with the dots makes me think we mis-ID'd the defense as cover 2 zone and the defense basically played it as cover 3 (with maybe some matching principles?). With what I'm assuming they thought was cover 2, I'm guessing they thought they were ultimately going to get Moore open in the corner or be able to check it down to Kincaid/Shakir if the defense tracked Moore well. Instead, the play basically went right into the strengths of the defense. And then on the backside, Keon actually wins pretty quickly to the inside but the safety over there is closing down on Ty Johnson and in doing so, closes the window for us to get to Coleman too.

[HOUSE]

Could be Lupus 

[Gregg]

2 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Someone should make sure to point Josh to this thread.  So he can understand what's wrong with him.

 

That is Hailee's job.

[BananaB]

1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said:

No, I have a lot more, but I am getting ready to work lol. But yes, JA had a hard on for the dude, and brass bought in. Glad you set me straight 😊

Exactly! You are doomed when listening to your players or fans. My guess this team wont make a move and stand pat. We clearly see why the Jets let Moore walk and the skins let Samuel walk. 

Well until I see it you never really set me straight. If he did I guess it proves he shouldn’t be head of scouting. Players gotta stay out of that ***** and it’s more on Beane. 

Edited 3 hours ago by BananaB

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

 

Almost like those 2 things are correlated.

 

Agree with your thoughts on him getting hit. Seems to help. Daboll would get him hit early.

You know, after that sack where he held the ball for 11 seconds, the Bills scored TDs on their next five possessions. To be fair, a couple were quickies after a turnover.

[jlatas]

1 hour ago, RunTheBall said:

...He’s also protecting himself for the playoffs, and that’s a good adjustment to his game. There’s no need for him to be rushing and taking shots in the second quarter of a regular season game. He had to adjust how and when he runs to preserve his longevity. Those hits add up and I know I know QBs are more likely to be injured in the pocket...

 

not sure I agree with you here...I feel there's been way too many of these ill-timed designed runs called for Josh. I cringe every time cuz he always seems to come up shaking his hand or some other body part. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks Josh has been either concussed on a tackle in the Pats game or has a hand injury he's been dealing with that is going unreported.

[zow2]

There's a few things that bother me about Allen right now.

 

I've never thought he was a great pocket passer, but he's been ineffective lately.  He's not anticipating guys breaking open but instead mostly throwing to stationary receivers not guys on the run.  He's back to throwing frozen ropes no touch on the ball whatsoever.  He's scared to throw picks and it's in his head.

 

When QBs get into trouble they tend to use their legs to move the chains and get going.   You don't see Josh running at all really... is that because he's injured and doesn't want to take a hit? is he scared to fumble? has he lost a step nearing 30 years old?  He is allowed to slide, he doesn't have to initiate contact on runs.

 

When you re-watch those games last season, his best games he's running around, throwing while scrambling to WRs breaking open, it's great stuff.  I'm just not seeing the same guy.  His magic is when he does that.   He had one throw like that yesterday, to Hawes when he ran up in the pocket away from pressure.  That was a nice instinctive play.

 

Being anchored in the pocket is not his game.  

 

 

[Avisan]

2 minutes ago, zow2 said:

There's a few things that bother me about Allen right now.

 

I've never thought he was a great pocket passer, but he's been ineffective lately.  He's not anticipating guys breaking open but instead mostly throwing to stationary receivers not guys on the run.  He's back to throwing frozen ropes no touch on the ball whatsoever.  He's scared to throw picks and it's in his head.

 

When QBs get into trouble they tend to use their legs to move the chains and get going.   You don't see Josh running at all really... is that because he's injured and doesn't want to take a hit? is he scared to fumble? has he lost a step nearing 30 years old?  He is allowed to slide, he doesn't have to initiate contact on runs.

 

When you re-watch those games last season, his best games he's running around, throwing while scrambling to WRs breaking open, it's great stuff.  I'm just not seeing the same guy.  His magic is when he does that.   He had one throw like that yesterday, to Hawes when he ran up in the pocket away from pressure.  That was a nice instinctive play.

 

Being anchored in the pocket is not his game.  

 

 

All solid observations.  I do want to note-- he has to learn to be comfortable in the pocket to maintain his status as an elite QB into his 30s.  It needs to become his game.  When Manning makes remarks about Josh needing to learn how to play "boring football", it's because it's the only way to stay elite as your body slows down from age and mileage in the NFL.

 

Feel the pocket, make plays within it, and step up through the gaps in the rush to hit players like he did to Hawes, week in and week out.  It's the only way to stay elite.

[Warriorspikes51]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Josh hasn’t been very good all year (by his standards). He’s not seeing the field and missing on some throws that are there (like the throw to Moore). His guys are rarely open on top of that. 
 

Josh needs to run early in games. He needs to get hit a couple of times and he’s a better player.they should run that QB power on the first drive every game.

Maybe the broken nose has a mental block for him? subconsciously even 

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Maybe the broken nose has a mental block for him? subconsciously even 

Fair question. It might. He’s always been better when he gets hit early and is “in the game.” It’s almost like a relief pitcher that didn’t throw enough pitches in the bullpen. He takes a batter or 2 to get to where he needs to be.

[Andrew Son]

6 minutes ago, zow2 said:

There's a few things that bother me about Allen right now.

 

I've never thought he was a great pocket passer, but he's been ineffective lately.  He's not anticipating guys breaking open but instead mostly throwing to stationary receivers not guys on the run.  He's back to throwing frozen ropes no touch on the ball whatsoever.  He's scared to throw picks and it's in his head.

 

 

That's always been the case.  He prefers to see an open target and then rifle it in rather than anticipate.  That's why we had all that talk about limited RAC years ago.  Hard to get RAC when a stationary target gets hit standing in a zone.  His bread and butter were those deep ins to Diggs.

 

It's also why all these "expert" all-22 breakdowns claiming "who is he supposed to throw to?" are basically useless.  You rarely see guys just running free, but based on leverage you can throw them open.  

[zow2]

25 minutes ago, Avisan said:

All solid observations.  I do want to note-- he has to learn to be comfortable in the pocket to maintain his status as an elite QB into his 30s.  It needs to become his game.  When Manning makes remarks about Josh needing to learn how to play "boring football", it's because it's the only way to stay elite as your body slows down from age and mileage in the NFL.

 

Feel the pocket, make plays within it, and step up through the gaps in the rush to hit players like he did to Hawes, week in and week out.  It's the only way to stay elite.

 

I agree, but to break it down as simple as possible, he's just not accurate enough standing there not moving.  Even the little short and intermediate throws can go a bit wild.  Can he be elite at that as we go on?  I don't know.

[Andrew Son]

45 minutes ago, Avisan said:

All solid observations.  I do want to note-- he has to learn to be comfortable in the pocket to maintain his status as an elite QB into his 30s.  It needs to become his game.  When Manning makes remarks about Josh needing to learn how to play "boring football", it's because it's the only way to stay elite as your body slows down from age and mileage in the NFL.

 

Feel the pocket, make plays within it, and step up through the gaps in the rush to hit players like he did to Hawes, week in and week out.  It's the only way to stay elite.

I completely agree.  I don't care if I never see another hurdle, stiff arm, or "cue the circus music" backyard play again.  Get us into the right play at the line, identify the pressure, and run the play that is called on time and within the structure of the offense.

 

The excuse train is out of control.  First we we're too pass happy and one dimensional, putting too much on Josh.  And we we're running Josh too much risking the franchise.  Then we neutered him and were not running him enough.  Now we run too much and Josh just can't get into a rhythm!  Our run game and oline is just too good!

 

And my favorite- "he needs to get hit more to get into the game!"  

Edited 2 hours ago by Andrew Son