What's wrong with Josh?

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Again- the Giants won because of their defense. They had more receiving talent than us currently, Eli Manning's offensive contributions notwithstanding.

 

Top QB contracts do not preclude their teams from acquiring good wideouts. We just prioritize defense over offense

More importantly, they had a fierce pass rush

[Avisan]

18 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Got to sit down and watch the game tonight-- on this play Allen is no longer looking downfield after like 1.5s and the defense is in zone w/ a man on Coleman.    The DL has both pressure and contain on Allen so the secondary doesn't have to worry about the possibility of Allen running, and Allen isn't able to get anywhere close to a viable throwing position so none of the receivers are able to slip into the open.  No clue what you would expect receivers to do on this one, the play is already broken by the time they would be coming out of their breaks etc. and everyone is moving accordingly.

[Brand J]

30 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I don’t know where Moore’s head was at on his route, but there was a very quick window there to hit him with a pass. That said, can’t expect Allen to find that minuscule moment on plays like this. The defense won this one with a good call and sticky coverage, Allen was better off throwing it away. It’s not always this bleak though.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

17 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Got to sit down and watch the game tonight-- on this play Allen is no longer looking downfield after like 1.5s and the defense is in zone w/ a man on Coleman.    The DL has both pressure and contain on Allen so the secondary doesn't have to worry about the possibility of Allen running, and Allen isn't able to get anywhere close to a viable throwing position so none of the receivers are able to slip into the open.  No clue what you would expect receivers to do on this one, the play is already broken by the time they would be coming out of their breaks etc. and everyone is moving accordingly.

Yea like I get that overall point but the panthers did a ton of things right on this specific play.  Once Josh rolls left the safety can play middle of the field knowing Josh is under heavy pressure and has no time to throw it back to the right so you’ve essentially got 5 defenders on 3 receivers and the back of the end zone as an extra deep defender while Josh is running for his life 

 

I think Josh thought he’d have a shot at Kincaid but Mike Jackson got to break on kincaid’s route because there was no way Josh was getting that ball to Moore under that much pressure moving to his left 

Edited 7 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Shortchaz]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

We spent $40M AAV on Rousseau, Bernard, and Palmer so it doesn't exactly take a lot of imagination to work out the rest.

Knox, Oliver, Samual contracts are also poor ROI 

[thewookie1]

1 hour ago, Brand J said:

I don’t know where Moore’s head was at on his route, but there was a very quick window there to hit him with a pass. That said, can’t expect Allen to find that minuscule moment on plays like this. The defense won this one with a good call and sticky coverage, Allen was better off throwing it away. It’s not always this bleak though.

 

I don't see a realistic opening at all until after Allen has already been lasso'd by his shirt. Until 2 has got to Kinkaid's depth, Moore is still in a borderline unreachable spot without high risk for interception. 

[T master]

10 hours ago, QB Bills said:

I know the Bills won big today, but it wouldn't be TBD without the usual whiners like me to come by and complain. 

 

I'm a bit concerned with Allen's game right now. He hasn't looked like his usual self for the majority of the season. Missing open receivers, not being able to escape rushers, and just looking kinda flat out there emotionally compared to what were accustomed to.

 

I know the receivers don't create much separation, but it's not like they revamped the room this year. It's mostly the same guys he had last year and although he wasn't lighting it up in 2024, he was still fitting the ball into really tight windows. There isn't a lot of that this year. 

 

I know it's not popular to criticise him here, so for the record, I'm one of his biggest fans. But out of all of the problems this team has, Josh Allen's play is the most concerning for me. Not that he's been horrible, but this team has no chance if he's not far and away the best qb in the league. 

I think he is way to preoccupied, there is so much now always happening with him & I think he's more focused on the rewards of when he gets home than what's happening when he's on the field and the same happened with Bass .

 

Just look at Samson & Delilah,  many woman have brought down a good man or at the very least distracted them just enough to make a difference .

 

 Then you through all of these other distractions like the commercials he's in like every one when ever there is a break in the action, we can almost bet he's not going to be in the MVP conversation this year if he keeps up playing the way he has .

 

Hopefully some one will tag him real good and bring him back to where he was last season ...

[billsfan_34]

Footwork is off and pressing to find someone open. When one of our receivers is open, he doesn’t expect them to be open and I believe it is leading to accuracy issues. He is partially to blame as 17 advocated for Coleman. This guy cannot play at the NFL level. Shavers looks lost out there, Samuel is playing not to get hurt. We may have the worst receiving corps in the NFL. A slot receiver is our 1 (Shakir). Let that sink in.

7 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Tom Brady won six super bowls with New England with three different wide receivers being named to the pro bowl 

 

A consistent line with pass catching running backs and the ability to move the chains was far more important to his team in January then just throwing for 5,000 yards 

 

Tom Brady had the ultimate power move of being one of the greatest ever and getting to go wherever he wanted.. even Peyton Manning won a super bowl with a dead arm because he got to choose his landing spot of the best roster 

 

Tom Brady got the same and parlayed it into another super bowl.. even though he had a live arm he still went to the best youngest fastest strongest most experienced roster available

 

The one thing I have been saying is why have we not split our backs out? All 3 can catch the ball. Put Ty or Ray split and Cook in the backfield. Put Coleman on the pine a little more. This kid has not earned the reps he is getting,

[BananaB]

12 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

Footwork is off and pressing to find someone open. When one of our receivers is open, he doesn’t expect them to be open and I believe it is leading to accuracy issues. He is partially to blame as 17 advocated for Coleman. This guy cannot play at the NFL level. Shavers looks lost out there, Samuel is playing not to get hurt. We may have the worst receiving corps in the NFL. A slot receiver is our 1 (Shakir). Let that sink in.

 
Josh ain’t saying anyone bad about anything so I’m not sure how much he was advocating for Coleman. I think some people blow ***** up they know nothing about. I do think Beane might of asked about what he thought, how much Allen was pounding the table for Coleman is really unknown. And if there was anyone else Allen wanted we really have no clue. In the Bills Embedded it seemed Beane had his mind made up at the combine though. Being happy a guy ran slow so you can get him late is weird. You gotta be really high on him at that point to think that way.  One thing that bothers me about this pick is we had a need and Beane drafted Coleman and called it quits, when we need defensive guys we are drafting multiple players at that position. Either way the WR group is terrible and the OC isn’t doing them any favours.

Edited 2 hours ago by BananaB

[Gregg]

12 of 19 for 163 yards 1 TD with no interceptions is a fine passing day when Cook has 19 rushes for 216 yards and 2 TDs in a 40-9 win

[billsfan_34]

4 minutes ago, BananaB said:

 
Josh ain’t saying anyone bad about anything so I’m not sure how much he was advocating for Coleman. I think some people blow ***** up they know nothing about. I do think Beane might of asked about what he thought, how much Allen was pounding the table for Coleman is really unknown. And if there was anyone else Allen wanted we really have no clue. In the Bills Embedded it seemed Beane had his mind made up at the combine though. Being happy a guy ran slow so you can get him late is weird. You gotta be really high on him at that point to think that way.  One thing that bothers me about this pick is we had a need and Beane drafted Coleman and called it quits, when we need defensive guys we are drafting multiple players at that position. Either way the WR group is terrible and the OC isn’t doing them any favours.

He advocated to draft Keon. Sorry for not elaborating further. I never understood not going multiple receivers either. McConkey would have been my pick. We need Palmer back sooner rather than later because everyone else isn’t worth a crud less Shakit. And yep, Brady has sucked too.

[finn]

11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yes.. years past he's taking every 7-8-9 yard chunk he can

 

Now he's willing to run around even do a ballerina and spin around and make people Miss behind the line of scrimmage just to throw it 

 

I don't think he's going to do that in January

 

Looked like he hurt his wrist a couple weeks ago if I recall correctly

His left wrist, right? 

[finn]

3 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

He advocated to draft Keon. Sorry for not elaborating further. I never understood not going multiple receivers either. McConkey would have been my pick. We need Palmer back sooner rather than later because everyone else isn’t worth a crud less Shakit. And yep, Brady has sucked too.

Maybe Beane needs to realize that the advice of a "draft junky" like Allen is not to be relied on. Allen reportedly lobbied hard for Kincaid (with LaPorta on the board) and Coleman (over any warm body in the first three rounds), which is not much of a track record. What did Marv say? He who listens to the crowd soon joins them? In terms of draft expertise, Allen is not much better than any of us. 

[BananaB]

6 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

He advocated to draft Keon. Sorry for not elaborating further. I never understood not going multiple receivers either. McConkey would have been my pick. We need Palmer back sooner rather than later because everyone else isn’t worth a crud less Shakit. And yep, Brady has sucked too.

So that’s all you got, he advocated for him. Obviously you don’t know to what extent and if he advocated for anyone else. Either way it’s still Beanes job to make the correct decision. 

[Einstein]

7 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Agree

 

It's simple

 

Not nearly enough offensive talent on staff or on field 

 

Been saying it 

 

Yep.

 

Also, my favorite posts are where someone will find a single snapshot of time, a 0.0001 second portion of a play where a receiver briefly flashes open and Allen is in a completely different portion of his progression… but they will scream “look! he had a guy open”

 

🤦🏻‍♂️

[Andrew Son]

11 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I think he is suffering mentally from having terrible outside receivers. He said before the game that they were doing well in the run and the inside-the-numbers passing game, with the obvious point being that they suck at the outside intermediate-to-deep game. Watching Troy Franklin today, I can’t help but think he’s significantly better than Keon Coleman, who was trash vs Carolina. 

Brady turned guys like Shakir into superstars while having very limited outside guys- outside of a few years with Moss where they actually never won a title.  Running the same Erhardt-Perkins system.  

 

Josh is supported by a superior oline and running game, and a very good TE room.  Does our $300m MVP require A+ talent at every position group around him to succeed?

 

The constant excuses for Josh are laughable.  He simply needs to be better.

[T.E.]

12 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

Brady turned guys like Shakir into superstars while having very limited outside guys- outside of a few years with Moss where they actually never won a title.  Running the same Erhardt-Perkins system.  

 

Josh is supported by a superior oline and running game, and a very good TE room.  Does our $300m MVP require A+ talent at every position group around him to succeed?

 

The constant excuses for Josh are laughable.  He simply needs to be better.

The coaching chasm between those two teams is gigantic, though. That has to be taken into the equation.

[billsfan_34]

20 minutes ago, BananaB said:

So that’s all you got, he advocated for him. Obviously you don’t know to what extent and if he advocated for anyone else. Either way it’s still Beanes job to make the correct decision. 

No, I have a lot more, but I am getting ready to work lol. But yes, JA had a hard on for the dude, and brass bought in. Glad you set me straight 😊

23 minutes ago, finn said:

Maybe Beane needs to realize that the advice of a "draft junky" like Allen is not to be relied on. Allen reportedly lobbied hard for Kincaid (with LaPorta on the board) and Coleman (over any warm body in the first three rounds), which is not much of a track record. What did Marv say? He who listens to the crowd soon joins them? In terms of draft expertise, Allen is not much better than any of us. 

Exactly! You are doomed when listening to your players or fans. My guess this team wont make a move and stand pat. We clearly see why the Jets let Moore walk and the skins let Samuel walk. 

[Einstein]

13 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

Brady turned guys like Shakir into superstars while having very limited outside guys.

 

Some of you say the most ridiculous things.

 

Brady had the greatest TE of all time, and Wes Welker (top 10 slot WR all time), and Julian Edelman (top 15 slot WR all time), on 3 of his last 4 Super Bowls and he had Mike Evans (all-pro), and Chris Godwin (pro-bowler) and Gronk (GOAT TE), on his last Super Bowl.

 

Yeah…

 

Give Allen the greatest TE to ever play and two of the best slot guys to ever do it and yeah he is going to crush it.

 

We saw what Allen did with Beasley.

 

Not to mention the greatest Head Coach of all time and a top OC.

[Kirby Jackson]

Josh hasn’t been very good all year (by his standards). He’s not seeing the field and missing on some throws that are there (like the throw to Moore). His guys are rarely open on top of that. 
 

Josh needs to run early in games. He needs to get hit a couple of times and he’s a better player.they should run that QB power on the first drive every game.