Joe Marino's 9 point plan for improvement

[CSBill]

5 hours ago, Bruffalo said:

Maybe they should try to do different things with him besides bad jump balls on comeback and go routes. That seems to be 95% of his targets. 

 

I swear Joe Brady is allergic to slant routes. 

Or crossing routes 

[Kirby Jackson]

21 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Because their philosophy is about lots of personnel groupings.  And they want to play ball control.   Meyers is better than what they have?  Not really convinced.  Yes he has more volume over the last few years but he is not a world beater. 

Meyers was just an example but yes, he is better than what they have. 
 

The point being, they mix and match guys because none of them are any good. That’s the concept of “everybody eats.” Throw different skill sets at the wall and hope one sticks. If you had a guy that had better skills, they’d rotate less. When Diggs was here, he played a lot more snaps than his backup. This rotation is a function of everyone being the same. If they had better players, they’d play more snaps than the worse players.

Edited 3 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[Goin Breakdown]

5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It all makes sense. Nothing earth shattering here. Will they put their egos aside and make hard decisions in the best interest of the team? 🤷🏻‍♂️

Thank you. I've said this all along. It's ego. 

[billsfan714]

Safety is a problem.

Edited 3 hours ago by billsfan714

[JÂy RÛßeÒ]

6 hours ago, Walking Tall said:

Get the ball in space to Cook. That’s as good as any trade to bring someone in. Figure it out, Brady. Scheme Cook open.

Was thinking this as I watched the 49ers do this with McCaffery all freakin' night.  Do it on purpose and plan for it, not just as an outlet because whatever else we schemed up isn't available.

[hondo in seattle]

4 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

Honest question on the safety thing.   Wasnt Poyer a SS and Rapp is a FS.  Can Poyer just transition to FS.  I defer to the draft experts on this.  I always wonder this when you see safety rankings on draft sites, but they never seem to break them down as SS or FS.

 

I think Poyer's considered a SS.  But on McD's defense, the dividing line between SS and FS is blurry and fluid.  McD likes safeties who can do everything: deep zone, man coverage, in-the-box run support, whatever.  It's easier to disguise the scheme when both safeties are Swiss army knives and the QB can't be sure what either of them is doing.

[Matt_In_NH]

57 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Meyers was just an example but yes, he is better than what they have. 
 

The point being, they mix and match guys because none of them are any good. That’s the concept of “everybody eats.” Throw different skill sets at the wall and hope one sticks. If you had a guy that had better skills, they’d rotate less. When Diggs was here, he played a lot more snaps than his backup. This rotation is a function of everyone being the same. If they had better players, they’d play more snaps than the worse players.

I bet you thought that was cooper last year

[Pete]

6 hours ago, BillsFan692 said:

Tis funny how the fans always have all the answers 🤣

Ngata, DK, Mack, Ladd, etc TBD made the better pick than OBD

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I bet you thought that was cooper last year

Why are you moving the goal posts? I’m challenging the claim that if the Bills had a “better WR that he would get little snap counts.” Let’s stick to the topic…

 

Also, FWIW, the Bills scored 7.4 more PPG and threw for 60.8 more YPG in the games that Cooper was in uniform. You can attribute whatever percentage of that to Cooper that you see fit but there is no way to argue that they were better without him than with him. The numbers are the numbers.
 

Now back to the one point of this conversation…

[julian]

Agree with all of it, outside of reducing  snaps for Walker. The Oline has to play better, the drop in their play is largely flying under the radar due to all the other issues.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Haha. Yeah, right. 
 

I already know our 1-point plan:

 

1) Get back to fundamentals. 

[harmonkillebrew]

Replace Rapp with Poyer? man things are bad.

How about trade for a S and bench Rapp. Cole has the range and poor tackling ability that better fits a deep FS.

[jlatas]

7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

"The Coleman thing and being treated as if the #1 is shocking to me," you say.

 

I don't think I'm the only one who does not understand what you mean here.

I think Joe M. means the number of offensive snap counts vs productivity for Keon is lopsided. He is out there more than any other receiver...why???

[gobills404]

Palmer being 15th in yards per route run among all WRs was very surprising and eye opening. Playing him less than half the snaps is unacceptable.

7 hours ago, Gigs said:

Thats a 9 point plan for a team that is fighting just to stay alive for the playoffs, not a heavily-favortied SB contender. 

 

Why do we put up with this?

Then that would mean every contender is “fighting to stay alive”. Out of all the teams that were top 10 in preseason SB odds only the 4-1-1 Packers didn’t lose at least 2 of their first 6 games, and they might not even be the best team in their division.

Edited 2 hours ago by gobills404

[jlatas]

Also, can we please get passes to Shakir that are neither behind the LOS or within 5 yards. We all know he's a YAC monster but we have seen him go down the field in past seasons. He's capable. We stereotype every receiver we have as fitting into specific boxes and we never seem to veer off that plan. Let's think outside the box a little!!

[Wayne Cubed]

I’m not sure if it’s an issue of not having the right receivers or the offensive philosophy but the Bills seem content in just getting a new set of downs. And that’s not more apparent than on 2nd and short situations this season. The Bills have had 35 2nd and 4 or less this season. They’ve run the ball 27 times getting a new set of downs on a little more than half of them. They average 6.1 yards per play on those runs. The 8 times they’ve thrown? 100% success rate, with 10.9 yards per play. 
 

To me, there’s just not a lot of chunk plays when the opportunity is there to attempt them. Is that we don’t have the horses to do them? Or we want to play conservative ball? Or both? 

[BillsFanForever19]

8 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

You should checkout Joes' podcast it always a great listen and very informative.

 

9 points in concise fashion

1. Get back to mismatches as our big people are our strength on offense. 11-12-22 formations etc. and throw from it more as well.

2. Use Keon Coleman less, he has the most snaps and targets of any receiver.

3. Use Kincaid and Palmer more.

4. Use the Backs more in the pass game (doesn't understand where this went to).

5. Get Larry O and Hoecht up to speed and reduce the DL snaps by rookies and practice squad guys. Easy one.

6. Shaq Thompson is our best LB and needs to be treated as such. Try Bernard some at WLB.

7. Get Hairston going soon. Mentions ramping up and platooning and having ready by late season and playoffs.

8. Replace Taylor Rapp with Poyer. Not optimal, but addition by subtraction. 

9. Workout a trade for WR who can stretch and cause some fear, mentions Olave and Shaheed (PR too).

 

Many of us have mentioned some of these. The Coleman thing and being treated as if the #1 is shocking to me. We have stopped using the backs receiving as much as last year and its inexplicable. The reinforcements are self explanatory, but the safety question is bleak. All in all, there is hope, if they make some of the correct moves and don't be stubborn.

 

 

I agree with pretty much all of this. The only issue is Palmer is likely out for at least a few more weeks with the dreaded McDermott "week to week" and who knows what shape he'll be in when he returns. So leaning on him isn't an option for a while.

[Goin Breakdown]

During the falcons game, the callers were saying how much space that our DBs were giving the receivers. They said "it's too much". And I said " SHUT UP FOOLS. McD is the DB whisperer. He's a Guru."  
Disrespect my Bills will ya? 

[billsfan714]

1 hour ago, harmonkillebrew said:

Replace Rapp with Poyer? man things are bad.

How about trade for a S and bench Rapp. Cole has the range and poor tackling ability that better fits a deep FS.

I remember last year watching a clip of Belichick say we were slow in the secondary.  So I googled Rapps 40 time pre draft and he ran 4.76 and 4.78.  I think old Bill knows what he's talking about.   

[DrDawkinstein]

10. Tackle. Like for real tackle.