Josh Allen Played Most Undisciplined Game in Three years Against Falcons-- Jim Kubiak BN

[DaggersEOD]

18 hours ago, T master said:

Matter of fact there has been times when Josh has been sitting on the sideline he just has this blank stare and there is no veteran leadership from him going up and down the side line pumping up his other team mates telling them they can get this done it's like his emotion is all but gone at times & in those times when the team is down is when those guys need to be pumping others up .

Yes this! I’ve been thinking this a lot this season. He’s not on the headset, he’s not communicating with the team. He’s just sitting there not connecting with the rest of the team. 
 

I don’t recall seeing that before, did this just start this year? Is it MVP syndrome?

 

I guess I just hoped to see Allen as the emotional leader of the team, not just the guy who plays QB for the Bills. 

[Casey D]

15 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Iirc the very best QBs and teams in history didn't win 95% of their games where the opponent scored 24 or fewer

According to AI, teams overall win 74% of their games when holding an opponent to under 24 points.  Given the Bills superior scoring ability over the average team, that number would be substantially higher.  

[Buffalo03]

19 hours ago, Casey D said:

https://buffalonews.com/sports/professional/nfl/bills/article_e2812041-ab6b-4dbd-bf3f-b08600db18c1.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=email&utm_campaign=user-share

 

 

Kubiak is always a big Josh supporter, but the gist of the story is he sucked Monday night.  Poor reads, poor execution and hero ball plagued him all night.  He did not see open receivers, and refused to take what the defense was giving.  He made poor throws and made poor decisions in taking off and running rather than pass to open guys.

 

It happens.  Josh is too good not to rebound, but this team has a very tough time when he is subpar.  In the second quarter, he only got 60% in the do Your Job QB rating system, the only time in years he got a failing grade.  

 

Story is behind BN paywall.

I mean, the dude had no time to throw all game. I'm sure that had a lot to do with it

[NewEra]

12 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

while our blitzes are seemingly always easily picked up and any decent offense has its way with us.  

Crazy how this seems to be the case 9/10 times we blitz 

4 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I mean, the dude had no time to throw all game. I'm sure that had a lot to do with it

lol.  I mean, that polar bear is white, you know what I mean?

[Buffalo03]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Crazy how this seems to be the case 9/10 times we blitz 

lol.  I mean, that polar bear is white, you know what I mean?

Do you think he had a lot of time to throw? The oline was horrendous. Yeah, he didn't play great but him having 6 guys in his face every play didn't help

[NewEra]

10 hours ago, Jimmy Harris 69 said:

 Brady called a brain dead game and McD played scared.

And Josh played his worst game in over a year because he couldn’t decipher the blitzes well enough and made poor decisions throughout.

 

 

[Avisan]

7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Crazy how this seems to be the case 9/10 times we blitz 

lol.  I mean, that polar bear is white, you know what I mean?

I mean... and lot of teams have players that can set pass protections and execute them and/or immediately get the ball to the hot routes.  We have good pressure rates as a defensive unit, it's not as though we're failing to disrupt the QB from a schematic standpoint, our secondary is just dogwater.

 

Despite that, we're currently the 17th ranked defense, so basically dead average, so SOMETHING has to be going right.

[NewEra]

9 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Josh was not great. 

 

But the disconnect between the two posting groups is that some of us think that Allen played poorly in part due to the porous line and non-stop pressure he was under.

 

Even Tom Brady looked bad in games where he was under nonstop pressure. It gets to a QB.

lol.  Not only was he not great, but he was bad.  
 

The disconnect is that one group is instantly triggered every time someone puts even an ounce of blame on 17.  
 

The OL sucked, we were missing our 2 best route runners, we’ve forgotten about throwing the ball to James Cook and kept him off the field at crucial times.  And Josh sucked partially due to all the above. 

12 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Do you think he had a lot of time to throw? The oline was horrendous. Yeah, he didn't play great but him having 6 guys in his face every play didn't help

You didn’t understand my post 

6 minutes ago, Avisan said:

I mean... and lot of teams have players that can set pass protections and execute them and/or immediately get the ball to the hot routes.  We have good pressure rates as a defensive unit, it's not as though we're failing to disrupt the QB from a schematic standpoint, our secondary is just dogwater.

 

Despite that, we're currently the 17th ranked defense, so basically dead average, so SOMETHING has to be going right.

i agree.  
 

I think our DL has been our best unit on D by far.  I agree- the secondary is trash and the safeties are even worse.  
 

our vaunted DB whisperer seems to be losing his abilities.  

[Dillenger4]

17 hours ago, Casey D said:

Most revealing.  Guy was the favorite for MVP until this week and is now a close number 2. I guess you see things differently than others.

 

I'm sure you will be overjoyed if Allen sucks next week and the Bills lose so you can say you were right.  Sad.

Not at all. Just being real. 

16 hours ago, Casey D said:

Right.  As bad as the D looks-- and it looks bad-- giving up 23 and 24 points when the offense turns the ball over five times is not awful.  If our O is up to snuff, we should win 19/20 games when holding the other team to 24 or less.

Dream on man. Now I know you are just a troll! It's the NFL. Holding teams to 23 or 24 points every game??? Cmon. You have a lot of hurt coming if you think the Bills will do that and we will score more. Our D is swiss cheese.

[Avisan]

4 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

Not at all. Just being real. 

Dream on man. Now I know you are just a troll! It's the NFL. Holding teams to 23 or 24 points every game??? Cmon. You have a lot of hurt coming if you think the Bills will do that and we will score more. Our D is swiss cheese.

I mean, the Bills' D has done so 5 out of 6 games this season, and we won the 1 out of 6.  Further upthread is the stat that teams win ~75% of the games where they hold an opponent to fewer than 24 points.

 

You don't need a world-beating defense to win a lot of football games.

[Dillenger4]

2 minutes ago, Avisan said:

I mean, the Bills' D has done so 5 out of 6 games this season, and we won the 1 out of 6.  Further upthread is the stat that teams win ~75% of the games where they hold an opponent to fewer than 24 points.

 

You don't need a world-beating defense to win a lot of football games.

I beg to differ. I hear ya, but I don't buy into it. Too many teams have improved massively. We won't stop them. Atlanta was one. They had their way. NE ran it down our throats when they wanted to. Sure, keeping a lid on their score at 24ish points. Great. But we can't score 25. Way too many younger, faster, better teams now...

[Low Positive]

Jeff Ulbricht/Robert Salah have had Josh’s number for years in terms of confusing him with pressure/blitzes. Ulbricht was completely in Josh’s head from the second drive. As soon as he thought he knew where the blitz was coming from, it came from somewhere else. They were blitzing CBs and dropping OLB/EDGE players into coverage at key moments in a manner that didn’t have a pattern. 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

Do you think he had a lot of time to throw? The oline was horrendous. Yeah, he didn't play great but him having 6 guys in his face every play didn't help

 

The oline was not great, it had a below average day in pass pro but it wasn't horrendous. The pressure was largely blitz pressure and that's where your backs have to block, you have to have hots built into your scheme, those hots have to win early and Josh has to get the ball out to them fast. And it was no one element of that that failed consistently, but each element was a problem at least a couple of times and that led to what we saw.

Edited 12 hours ago by GunnerBill

[zow2]

I'm not panicking as we saw Allen really struggle last season @Baltimore and @Houston.  Then he came on after that to win the MVP.  Games vs. KC, SF, Rams and Detroit also blitzed him and he masterfully picked those teams apart or scrambled out of trouble for nice gains.

There's no question in my mind that the offensive line has failed in some big moments, and the WR's.  They all need to pick up the pace and urgency... and I think they will.

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Andrew Son said:

Josh made the pressure look worse than it was.  Didn't read the pressures and had happy feet looking to escape even clean pockets. 

 

There was some of this AFTER he spent half the game getting clobbered from pressure.

[Scott7975]

I don’t have all 22 but just going off feelings and what I’m able to see on Tv… I felt Josh had a rough couple weeks. This week more so. This game I think pressure got in his head and it threw him off. 
 

I feel Josh’s accuracy hasn’t been the greatest this year. I also feel outside of week 1 he lacks the Superman plays. Throwing on the run, being decisive about taking off running, and actual running just not as good this year. I also feel like he may be missing a safety net he completely trusts. 
 

maybe I’m wrong on all that but just my feelings. 

Edited 13 hours ago by Scott7975

[H2o]

There is plenty of blame to go around for the last two weeks. For as supposedly "undisciplined" as Josh has been, we'd be absolutely cooked without him. 

 

Again, you cannot understate the effect the refs have had on the last two games. There have been questionable, and I mean AT BEST, calls that have completely swung things at points in our games against both NE and ATL. Ridiculous calls against our defense that keep the opposing teams' drives going where they end up scoring because of it, the "timely" holding penalties or whatever that take away key plays made by the offense, and a blatant disregard for the fouls opposing teams are committing against us. Then, you have plays like the Elijah Moore catch being called incomplete. It's been on full display, and it almost makes me not want to watch another game. 

 

Josh hasn't been the Josh of last year. I think the everybody eats mantra has run its course already. Outside of Josh, Cook, and Kincaid, we got nothing. Coleman isn't taking that step forward we hoped for. Elijah Moore has underwhelmed. Palmer has made a couple nice plays, but overall is nothing more than a 3 or 4. Shakir is still a quality Slot WR, but we need playmakers on the outside to help free him up. If nothing else last year, Amari Cooper was the decoy that allowed "everybody eats" to work on the field. The offensive line even seems to have taken a step back in pass pro. Josh doesn't have the same time this year like last year. I think the sum of all of this, and the seeming lack of chemistry in the passing game between Josh and his group, is weighing on him. I believe that is what you see on the sidelines. And I also believe that is why you see him forcing things, because nothing that is being schemed up is actually working. 

 

The defense. Trash. Absolute trash. Babich should have been fired already, or AT THE LEAST stripped of his play calling duties. The gameplan is horrendous. The lack of understanding what opposing offenses are doing is horrendous. In-game adjustments, trash. Putting guys in position to succeed on that side of the ball, horrendous. The DL rotation, horrendous. Blitzes that actually get home, or at least affect the opposing offense, lacking. This has to be the worst defense we've had since McDermott took over in 2017. They have 0, and I mean ZERO, answers for anything the opposition is doing out there.  And because of this, it also heaps more pressure upon Josh to try to carry the entire team. 

 

Overall, there are a ton of issues right now. I'm not sure if the bye week will provide any answers and we come right back out the gate against a Panthers team that should not be slept on. Then, the week after that, KC comes to town. We still have a decent Panthers squad, the Chiefs, the Bucs, the Texans, the Steelers, the Bengals, the Pats, the Browns (their defense is tough), and the Eagles on the schedule. If they don't figure some things out on offense, and get this defense turned around, we could miss the Playoffs for the first time since 2018. I don't think we will, but it IS a possibility

[Casey D]

1 hour ago, Dillenger4 said:

Not at all. Just being real. 

Dream on man. Now I know you are just a troll! It's the NFL. Holding teams to 23 or 24 points every game??? Cmon. You have a lot of hurt coming if you think the Bills will do that and we will score more. Our D is swiss cheese.

Being real and being a defeatist are not the same thing.  I love the I'm just being real crap.

[HamSandwhich]

I havent read through this thread, just the OP. Perhaps what I'm about to say is not new and others have been saying it. Given that this seems to be a yearly thing for the team, could it be that we get a good record out of the gate and then coaching says "lets do some experimenting since we have some leeway to see what works and what doesnt" and thus they get the mid season lull? It just seems so odd to me that this happens all the time. 

 

 

[Casey D]

1 hour ago, Dillenger4 said:

Not at all. Just being real. 

Dream on man. Now I know you are just a troll! It's the NFL. Holding teams to 23 or 24 points every game??? Cmon. You have a lot of hurt coming if you think the Bills will do that and we will score more. Our D is swiss cheese.

And I never said they will hold teams to 24 and 23 points a game.  It was not a prediction.  My point is that they did hold the other two teams to 23 and 24 the last two games and that should be good enough to win with a top flight offense.

1 minute ago, HamSandwhich said:

I havent read through this thread, just the OP. Perhaps what I'm about to say is not new and others have been saying it. Given that this seems to be a yearly thing for the team, could it be that we get a good record out of the gate and then coaching says "lets do some experimenting since we have some leeway to see what works and what doesnt" and thus they get the mid season lull? It just seems so odd to me that this happens all the time. 

 

 

Maybe, but I think it is more just being human beings-- we have off days.  That's why teams lose games they should not lose and even the very best baseball teams lose over 60 games a year.  And only the 1972 Dolphins went undefeated in the NFL.