Sean took exception to Brady's decisions, did NOT "rip him a new one" but I like to exaggerate

[colin]

Josh is not great at the pre snap reads, not all the time anyhow, but to me a huge part of that is simply coaching.  He's never had an OC who's had anything approaching actual success on the NFL level without riding his coat tails.

 

the film is out, you can beat the bills O locking down the outside, confusing josh with overloads and such.  the solution to this is not for Josh to literally be perfect, it is to have an idea what the D wants to do, and what our O can do to best advantage themselves.

 

this is part of what i see as the fatal flaw of the buffalo bills as they exist today.  we do not impose a high degree of difficulty on the opponents O with our d scheme, and we always seem to operate our own O with a super high degree of difficulty.  it's just never easy simple plays that we can run whenever we want, like oh i don't know, a TE wide open in the flat like kelce always is, or a freaking screen to a running back like opponents always seem to have success against us with.  

 

ironically right now, i think (particularly if mcd takes over d play calling) the d with new infusions of health and talent can really turn a corner.  they have sucked outright for chunks of every game but the jets one (doesn't count), but they have also played their own style and really brought the pain for chunks of games as well.  if our o can find it's pace, and it has had that many times even since brady was the OC, all we need out of the o is like 4 real hard stops and we can win it all.  we need mcd to find a new gear as a HC and to right the ship on O.

[nedboy7]

Marino talked about how there are open receivers. Yes we are not creating separation at a high level but the narrative that Josh has no one to throw to is incorrect. He is not making good reads for some reason. Obviously we need more talent regardless. 

[JBI$111]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Pretty accurate rant in my eyes. They were geniuses in selecting Josh. But from that moment on the incessant stupid decisions just started compounding on each other, year after year....

 

 

Let's be honest, even picking Josh, Beane got somewhat lucky as it wasn't certainly a sure thing and it wasn't anything that he did that was genius about selecting Josh.

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

55 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Is it not on Brady to have him prepared to read the Falcons defense and their tendencies correctly?

 

Yes, the bulk is on Josh, and maybe they did review it and Josh still made the mistake. But when I see so many players looking lost, including our MVP QB, some of that rolls to coaching and preparation.

 

I think that is a bit of a cop out to be perfectly honest. I know I am biased. I was a much better coach than I was a player (different sport admittedly) but coaches coach and players play. Once they cross the white line there is an element to which you are powerless. They have to decide and they have to execute. 

 

And I honestly don't see that many players lost on offense. Unlike on defense where I do.

 

[Murdox]

I think Fitzmagic says it well in the video someone posted above.  The Falcons saw something on tape they thought they could exploit and they blitzed Josh on 56% of plays (the most since 2021).  I assume a good part of that is that the Falcons did not fear our receivers with Kincaid and Samuel out, and once Palmer went down it became a moot point.  Our speed at receiver and TE was gone.  So, it was a good choice to take some risk and be aggressive blitzing Josh. 

 

On the flip side, Josh and the Bills O was not ready for the Falcons game plan, but that is not at all completely on Josh.  Brady needs to come up with a plan and be ready for a more aggressive blitzing scheme and be well prepared with the hot reads.  On at least one play I think Josh wanted to throw to an open Cook when he was under pressure but Cook wasn't looking back.  I don't know if he was the hot read on that play, but if he was he made a mistake.  Brady has to stop coasting on the Allen athleticism.

[boyst]

1 hour ago, T master said:

And that is exactly why McD said something to Brady because it has happened a couple or 3 times and he is letting him know about it which is doing his job of being the HC  !! 

That is what McDermott has said publicly. We don't know what's been said or not said behind closed doors, all that matters is what we see on the field and that is just not good enough. Talk is cheap, time is expensive. 

 

We're wasting time and not getting results 

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

10x

 

case in point lmfao

 

And what?  He sucked vs Atlanta.  He played poorly.   The team isn’t good enough to compensate when he plays that bad.  It just pains you so much when people say that Josh sucked.  
 

again- he wasn’t THE REASON we lost.  He just sucked

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

Marino talked about how there are open receivers. Yes we are not creating separation at a high level but the narrative that Josh has no one to throw to is incorrect. He is not making good reads for some reason. Obviously we need more talent regardless. 

 

I listened to that podcast and watched the all-22 video he sends out to subscribers. I think he oversold his point a bit. He basically finds like 4 plays where it looks like Allen could have found somebody open. He uses this to disparage the narrative that "nobody can separate." Alright Joe but you didn't show any of the plays where it simply was the case that nobody could separate. And that problem does pop up repeatedly on tape. Also it's one thing if somebody separates, but if it takes them 4 seconds after the snap to separate then it doesn't help if the defense blitzes and got home. And that was Atlanta's gameplan. Blitz the hell out of us and bet that none of our pass catchers could get quick separation. That was a good bet on their part.

 

Allen statistically was elite against the blitz when Diggs was here in his prime. That's not a coincidence. He had a guy he could trust on any given down to throw an anticipation throw downfield, and more often than not Diggs made the play. It's pretty clear watching the tape he doesn't trust Keon Coleman for example to make those plays, and why should he?

[boyst]

13 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I listened to that podcast and watched the all-22 video he sends out to subscribers. I think he oversold his point a bit. He basically finds like 4 plays where it looks like Allen could have found somebody open. He uses this to disparage the narrative that "nobody can separate." Alright Joe but you didn't show any of the plays where it simply was the case that nobody could separate. And that problem does pop up repeatedly on tape. Also it's one thing if somebody separates, but if it takes them 4 seconds after the snap to separate then it doesn't help if the defense blitzes and got home. And that was Atlanta's gameplan. Blitz the hell out of us and bet that none of our pass catchers could get quick separation. That was a good bet on their part.

 

Allen statistically was elite against the blitz when Diggs was here in his prime. That's not a coincidence. He had a guy he could trust on any given down to throw an anticipation throw downfield, and more often than not Diggs made the play. It's pretty clear watching the tape he doesn't trust Keon Coleman for example to make those plays, and why should he?

I didn't watch the all-22 but on any replay of the bills offense I didn't see a window at all on any play. 

 

Marino is sticking to his premise to prove his narrative and he's wrong 

[RunTheBall]

Brady has been a disaster for 2 straight games. It’s coaching malpractice not to have a plan to beat the blitz against a team you KNOW is going to blitz over half the time. It’s absolutely mind boggling not to have simple hot reads for Josh. James Cook should have been KILLING Atlanta on the blitz. When is the last time you saw a running back screen??? 6 years ago? The answer isn’t those stupid WR bubble screens, they rarely work but we will throw them 8x a game. No draw plays to Cook? No quick slants to the anticipated blitzing side?

 

I mean this is Football 101 and Brady is failing spectacularly. 

 

It doesn’t help that Josh played like complete ASS against Atlanta and had the deer in the headlights look all a game long. Thought we buried that version of Josh 2 years ago.

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, boyst said:

I didn't watch the all-22 but on any replay of the bills offense I didn't see a window at all on any play. 

 

Marino is sticking to his premise to prove his narrative and he's wrong 

 

In one sense he's correct. If the QB and the scheme are perfect, you can overcome bad WRs. The problem is that asking the QB and the scheme to be perfect on every single play is too much to ask. Sometimes you just need an easy button play call and read, and the downfall of not having a legit #1 WR is that those easy button plays are nowhere to be found. So I don't agree with Joe's premise that "there's plenty of blame to go around." That is unduly shifting the blame. Allen and Brady both had their faults in this game, but the poor WR room is a much more fundamental problem which compounds every mistake made by the QB and the OC.

[GoBills808]

28 minutes ago, NewEra said:

And what?  He sucked vs Atlanta.  He played poorly.   The team isn’t good enough to compensate when he plays that bad.  It just pains you so much when people say that Josh sucked.  
 

again- he wasn’t THE REASON we lost.  He just sucked

😂😂Ok then

 

btw I see you in that other thread stanning for McDermott so glass houses bud

[HappyDays]

17 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

Thought we buried that version of Josh 2 years ago.

 

No, Josh Allen has not developed into a perfect QB that is incapable of having an off day. That doesn't describe any player in NFL history. Or any human being in history for that matter. I think it was @GunnerBill who compared it to Brady's last year in New England. I've used the same comparison. Even the GOAT struggled when surrounded with crap. Fans declared that his career was over. Well it's no coincidence that he chose to transfer to the team that at the time had the best offensive supporting cast in the NFL, and promptly won another Super Bowl with them.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by HappyDays

[GoBills808]

29 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I listened to that podcast and watched the all-22 video he sends out to subscribers. I think he oversold his point a bit. He basically finds like 4 plays where it looks like Allen could have found somebody open. He uses this to disparage the narrative that "nobody can separate." Alright Joe but you didn't show any of the plays where it simply was the case that nobody could separate. And that problem does pop up repeatedly on tape. Also it's one thing if somebody separates, but if it takes them 4 seconds after the snap to separate then it doesn't help if the defense blitzes and got home. And that was Atlanta's gameplan. Blitz the hell out of us and bet that none of our pass catchers could get quick separation. That was a good bet on their part.

 

Allen statistically was elite against the blitz when Diggs was here in his prime. That's not a coincidence. He had a guy he could trust on any given down to throw an anticipation throw downfield, and more often than not Diggs made the play. It's pretty clear watching the tape he doesn't trust Keon Coleman for example to make those plays, and why should he?

if you look at some of the other gameday threads you will see post after post of 'why is that guy so open'

 

now granted- some of that is just the wr winning. but a lot of it is design. i really wish people would watch more chiefs games, specifically how those annoying little stick/option underneath are presented to Mahomes. it's just a different level of understanding how to attack a defense

[HappyDays]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

now granted- some of that is just the wr winning. but a lot of it is design. i really wish people would watch more chiefs games, specifically how those annoying little stick/option underneath are presented to Mahomes. it's just a different level of understanding how to attack a defense

 

Yeah the Chiefs offense is like watching a different sport. The likes of Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan have earned their flowers but Andy Reid is still the very best in the business. Every play they run looks completely different from the rest. Every play design puts at least one defender in conflict. I hate the Chiefs but I'm too much of a pure football fan not to appreciate what I'm watching there.

[NewEra]

35 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

😂😂Ok then

 

btw I see you in that other thread stanning for McDermott so glass houses bud

lol-  I’m stanning for McD?  Care to show the quote/s?
 

I’ve been on record for 2 years saying I’d be ok with firing McD.  I’ve been playing the fence with him for quite awhile. I think he’s a good head coach that has improved in that aspect since he’s been here.  I’m not a fan of his defensive scheme and I’m not sure if he’ll ever be able to beat Reid and Spags in the playoffs.  I’m also not sure that we would hire someone better than him if we fired him……but I’d be willing to roll the dice.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

There's enough blame to go around for everyone. I expect ,starting at the top with McD and on down through the coords. and position coaches to the players to figure this crap out . Both the plan and execution on both sides of the ball were subpar the last 2 weeks. Nitpicking stuff about what % each is responsible for and is mostly unknown.It is for them to figure out and execute now . As a fan, it pisses me off that we didn't seem to have a plan for their blitzing when they are #1 in most blitzes and escalated it. Yes Josh bears some responsibility, but he also got the crap beat of him and was knocked off his game. The receivers are not as good as Beane thinks. And, the defense doesn't get off the hook as they gave up 335 yards in ONE HALF and were lucky to only give up 21. Not good enough to play from behind and expect Allen to win in it with crap around him and OC who just says I'm gonne run my stuff. The last 2 weeks were colossal failure of everyone responsible in the organization.

Edited 5 hours ago by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[Einstein]

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Every off game that Allen has, we lose. I mean we've even managed to lose some of his all-time best games, but his off games are guaranteed losses. And I mean off for him, relative to the rest of the league even his off games are still good. Atlanta was the first game this year which I thought was legitimately an off game for him and that capped us at two good drives for the entire game.

 

Allen in some sense is the victim of his own success. Because he occasionally goes nuclear the fanbase has come to expect it. So whenever he is anything less than exceptional and we lose, you start seeing the posts about how "he's as responsible for the loss as anybody." I've really gotten sick of it. QBs can have an off game and their team can still win. But in Buffalo we have nobody on offense or defense that ever steps up to take the pressure off him and make the superstar play that wins the game. We don't have a coach that can adjust the offense on the fly and get them back in sync after they hit a rut. Feels like the whole team is just always waiting for Allen to put on the Superman cape.

 

Beautifully written.