The obsession with turning Josh Allen into a pocket QB

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

13 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I see what you're saying here. 
 I just don't like that we have probably the best QB in the league and this staff is just bent on being a run team. Not a team that CAN run but a team that wants to focus on the run. Why the hell do we need Josh then. Just get a game manager if you want to play that kind of ball. They don't care to surround Josh with a complete group of complimentary receivers. Just a redundant slot group. They like Coleman because he can block not catch. It's mainly about the run. And then the thing that baffles my brain is they take Cook off the field when we need 1 yard on 3rd down. I can't figure this office and staff out. 

That's precisely what I'm saying. This administration is unwilling to or is incapable of finding and utilizing receiving talent.

 

They WANT a ground and pound offense, but then take their most effective player in that offense (cook) off the field when it's needed most 

Edited 10 hours ago by Pine Barrens Mafia

[corta765]

18 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

I will never understand the complete overhaul they did on offence after Daboll.

 

They went from a heavy 11 personnel team who airs the ball all over the yard with talented recievers, to "ground and pound" with heavy packages, and little talent at the WR position.

 

I get they had to change a bit as defences in the NFL have adjusted to a lot more 2 high shell.. But this drastic of a change when JA17 is the QB, and we are essentially making him a game manager? 

 

Never will understand it

 

The NFL changed not only 2 high shell but personnel wise. Teams are not giving the big plays up and want you to beat you with a lot of plays. Additionally defenses are far more athletic then they were prior and more defenses have gone back from nickel base to a 4-3 or 3-4. In general the league is always changing and evolving and if you do not evolve with it you die.

It is kind of wild people are saying Josh is just a game manager when he won MVP last year and had some of his biggest games of his career that season.

 

I would also add QBs age and time wins every time. Josh long term needs to be a passer first and let his guys do the work if you want him still good come his late 30s. Brady & Manning understood this and their game improved as mentally they could destroy defenses even if physically they were no longer improving or lost a touch.

[BillsFan130]

27 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

The NFL changed not only 2 high shell but personnel wise. Teams are not giving the big plays up and want you to beat you with a lot of plays. Additionally defenses are far more athletic then they were prior and more defenses have gone back from nickel base to a 4-3 or 3-4. In general the league is always changing and evolving and if you do not evolve with it you die.

It is kind of wild people are saying Josh is just a game manager when he won MVP last year and had some of his biggest games of his career that season.

 

I would also add QBs age and time wins every time. Josh long term needs to be a passer first and let his guys do the work if you want him still good come his late 30s. Brady & Manning understood this and their game improved as mentally they could destroy defenses even if physically they were no longer improving or lost a touch.

I did mention the bills couldn't do the same thing now as 2021. But they over corrected in my opinion.

 

You can still get big plays in the air. Just cause a team plays cover 2, quarters, or cover 3, it doesn't mean there aren't big plays to be had. (Just look at the bengals offence last year)

 

Hell just look at the bills defence. We play a ton of soft zone and give up explosive play after explosive play lol

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

5 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Don't have the horses. Receivers have sucked for years. TEs are good but overrated. Have a fast back and hardly pass to him.

 

The Bills are like a Boomer who buys a Ferrari only to never drive it over 50 MPH.

 

This leads me to one of two logical outcomes:

 

1) bills keep management and trade Allen. Why have a stud QB if you're not interested building an offense for him?

 

2) bills keep Allen and ditch management. My preferred solution 

 

What's clear is continuing on in this manner is stupid and counterproductive 

 

Not retaining key role players like Mack Hollins also hurt. The Bills weren’t the most explosive passing team last year, but definitely one of the better ones. Good enough for an MVP season. I feel like Beane could’ve went a better route (no pun intended) if he wanted a distribution system in the WR room. Carefully selected what role players instead of seemingly throwing together a random group of guys that don’t fit together. 

[TBBills Fan]

I'm concerned about his decision making the last two games and curious as to why he hates throwing left 

[Buffalo716]

22 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

That's what McDermott wanted. "Complementary football," i.e. run heavy offense to protect his sad sack defense 

McDermott has put out multiple top 5 defenses here lol

 

The fact people think it's been 8 years of crap is fantasy not fact 

 

He doesn't have the dogs on defense right now

[Freak-O]

I don’t claim to know a lot about the intricacies of football, but I do know one thing: the Bills offense is sometimes not that fun to watch and considering we have Josh it’s frustrating to see it stall. Not sold on Brady, but as I said, I know nothing. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

17 minutes ago, Freak-O said:

I don’t claim to know a lot about the intricacies of football, but I do know one thing: the Bills offense is sometimes not that fun to watch and considering we have Josh it’s frustrating to see it stall. Not sold on Brady, but as I said, I know nothing. 

No, you’re right. It’s a BORING offense. Even the announcers have been bringing it up during games. That kind of stuff works with Tom Brady and a cast of carefully selected short white WRs and steroid abusing homicidal Tight ends. Not so much what a high-octane Josh Allen offense SHOULD be which is big chunk throws/runs and a complementary running game. I get that they don’t have the cast, but WHOS fault is that, Beane ? 
 

Edit: kind of bummed that Daboll is turning it around in Jersey. There was the offhand chance that maybe he would come back here. I was never a Daboll hater either. I follow the Giants closely because of him. 

Edited 6 hours ago by ChronicAndKnuckles

[DapperCam]

22 hours ago, 947 said:

I fully agree that they should let Josh run around more.

 

That said, Josh is not the same runner he was even 2 years ago. He's clearly not as fast as once was, to my eyes. His top speed is still good but his acceleration is not the same and his change of direction appears more stiff. I think this is why he keeps getting trapped in the backfield & brought down, when those used to turn into 10 yard scrambles.

I don’t think he slower at all. He just more hesitant to take off, which is OP’s entire point.

[GoBills808]

33 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

No, you’re right. It’s a BORING offense. Even the announcers have been bringing it up during games. That kind of stuff works with Tom Brady and a cast of carefully selected short white WRs and steroid abusing homicidal Tight ends. Not so much what a high-octane Josh Allen offense SHOULD be which is big chunk throws/runs and a complementary running game. I get that they don’t have the cast, but WHOS fault is that, Beane ? 
 

Edit: kind of bummed that Daboll is turning it around in Jersey. There was the offhand chance that maybe he would come back here. I was never a Daboll hater either. I follow the Giants closely because of him. 

here you go

 

hate to quote myself but i love to quote myself

 

On 9/3/2024 at 9:42 AM, GoBills808 said:

i would encourage you folks to go and watch some panthers 2020 offense before you get too excited

 

it wasn't just laughably bad and predictable, it was boring af

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

McDermott has put out multiple top 5 defenses here lol

 

The fact people think it's been 8 years of crap is fantasy not fact 

 

He doesn't have the dogs on defense right now

He didn't last year either.

 

Spent an entire draft to find him some, no dice. Now the offense is paying that tab

[RoscoeParrish]

The best pathway to longevity in Josh’s career is him having a strong running game and strong OL and strong weapons to throw to.

 

we have struggled to put all 3 together at once. And that has resulted in him getting hit more than an ideal amount.

[BillsFanForever19]

5 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

That's precisely what I'm saying. This administration is unwilling to or is incapable of finding and utilizing receiving talent.

 

They WANT a ground and pound offense, but then take their most effective player in that offense (cook) off the field when it's needed most 

 

Exactly.

 

The problem with a ground and pound offense is you still need to have people that the Defense respects in the Passing game.

 

The run sets up the pass and the pass sets up the run. We certainly have a running game people respect. But bc of the lack of pass catchers that can get open, it's become really easy for teams to key in on Cook and no one can win even one on one to punish them for that.