Plausible X/#1 receiver trade candidates — are there any?

[PayDaBill$]

20 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I hear ya.  If the rumors are true about the saints trying to resign him, as you said, we might have to make them an offer they can’t refuse.  I really hope we don’t trade a 1st for a 1 year rental.  Maybe a 2nd and Keon for a olave and a 5th could get it done 

Giving up Coleman is crazy for a guy that’s one head injury away from retirement.  Especially with the Bills injury track record.

 

No thanks.

 

With Kincaid Coleman and Palmer this team was putting up 30 plus.  Brady gaffed during the NE game and the loss of Kincaid prior to and Palmer in game caused major problems vs ATL.

 

If you can’t bring a wr in here without too much disruption, don’t do it,  I’d rather find a CB or safety.

Edited 8 hours ago by PayDaBill$

[Low Positive]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Oh for sure. The worst part is I saw all of this coming. I knew that investing a bunch in the defense wouldn't make a difference, although even I didn't think it would look this bad. I knew that failing to add a legit WR would haunt us. I knew that Beane's WGR rant would end up making him look foolish. Once the season started I kept an open mind and hoped they knew better, but unfortunately it has turned out even worse than I predicted. This whole year since March has been like watching a train crash in slow motion.

I think most of us did. I try to be positive and not post my negative thoughts here because I don't see how that's constructive, but I have no idea what Beane was thinking. I'm usually very positive, but I'm at a breaking point. They got so lucky last year with turnovers. There is no way that they actually believed that they could repeat that. I don't think Beane is stupid, but sometimes it seems like he cannot see pretty obvious things. This team needs weapons, and every fan, podcaster, and national talking head knows it. But somehow, Beane and Brady disagree. They think they are smarter than everyone else, but it's becoming obvious that they are just wrong and are willing to die on that hill. The problem is that we all have to suffer because they want to prove a point. 

 

The other thing I believe is that Pegula doesn't care about winning a Super Bowl, at least if it means taking a risk that might mean that the team is not competitive for a year or two. He wants those PSLs sold and those seats full. He also won't spend the cash that Lorie and Kraft spend to circumvent the cap rules. I just don't see a lot of hope for the present or the future. 

 

I'm at a low point with my feelings about this team. Damn them for losing badly going into the bye!

 

Sorry about the rant. 

[Boatdrinks]

Teams always seem to say player X isn’t being moved or they’re working on a new deal with whoever. Then they’re traded. These responses mean nothing until the deadline is past. 

[No_Matter_What]

26 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Oh for sure. The worst part is I saw all of this coming. I knew that investing a bunch in the defense wouldn't make a difference, although even I didn't think it would look this bad. I knew that failing to add a legit WR would haunt us. I knew that Beane's WGR rant would end up making him look foolish. Once the season started I kept an open mind and hoped they knew better, but unfortunately it has turned out even worse than I predicted. This whole year since March has been like watching a train crash in slow motion.

You keep saying this like everyone knew about this except for Beane, who had dozen or so options how to deal with this.

 

In truth the only option available was Metcalf and then maybe Pickens, who is a head case. I don't remember any other realistic option how to add true WR1, draft or FA. 

 

Beane decided that Metcalf was not worth draft picks AND $30m+ AAV (probably, since we don't know if DK himself wanted to come here and what was Seattle's asking price towards us). Was it a good decision? I don't know, probably not. But it was like an only option to do something.

 

His rant was stupid and unprofessional. But I don't think it meant he was satisfied with our WR room. It is just way tougher to do something with it when you and most posters here make it. I really don't think that "everybody eats" is something they believe in, they are just forced to say it since we don't have true WR1. I am pretty sure Beane would love to have one.

 

EDIT: If you want Beane's head for not getting Metcalf and going all in with his contract, then that's fair. But let's not pretend there were other realistic options to get WR1.

Edited 8 hours ago by No_Matter_What

[NewEra]

19 minutes ago, PayDaBill$ said:

Giving up Coleman is crazy for a guy that’s one head injury away from retirement.  Especially with the Bills injury track record.

 

No thanks.

 

With Kincaid Coleman and Palmer this team was putting up 30 plus.  Brady gaffed during the NE game and the loss of Kincaid prior to and Palmer in game caused major problems vs ATL.

 

If you can’t bring a wr in here without too much disruption, don’t do it,  I’d rather find a CB or safety.

Might be the case.  If we land a corner, then what of Hairston?  I’m definitely down for a S, I just don’t know

 

I’ve been more positive about Keon than most.  My biggest fear with him is that there aren’t enough slot snaps for him with Shakir and Kincaid and he’s just a big risk in the outside at the moment.  It’s tough to count on him to win.  Not sure Brady knows how to use his abilities to our advantage.  I’d rather pair Palmer and a true outside winner.  I think Palmer has the ability feast on most cb2 in our system.  

[PayDaBill$]

20 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Might be the case.  If we land a corner, then what of Hairston?  I’m definitely down for a S, I just don’t know

 

I’ve been more positive about Keon than most.  My biggest fear with him is that there aren’t enough slot snaps for him with Shakir and Kincaid and he’s just a big risk in the outside at the moment.  It’s tough to count on him to win.  Not sure Brady knows how to use his abilities to our advantage.  I’d rather pair Palmer and a true outside winner.  I think Palmer has the ability feast on most cb2 in our system.  

Not sure how healthy Hariston’s knee is really. Coleman and Palmer can split time, I think Coleman can have an impact but these 50

50 sideline contested balls are a waste

of time and downs.  That’s on Brady, he needs to figure out how to best use Keon.

Edited 8 hours ago by PayDaBill$

[HappyDays]

26 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

I really don't think that "everybody eats" is something they believe in, they are just forced to say it since we don't have true WR1. I am pretty sure Beane would love to have one.

 

It's just really hard to buy this given the total lack of any attempt to add one. He's made exactly 1 WR pick in the top 100 of the draft since 2021. In fact Shakir is the only WR other than Coleman that was a top 150 pick during that period. It's almost impossible to invest such a small amount into any position over 5 years, let alone a premium position. There have been several WR trades and signings made over the years that he has failed to make. It's pretty clear to me that he just doesn't value the position nearly to the level that he should.

 

Beane spent all of the 2024 offseason resetting the team's salary cap to prepare for the 2nd window of Allen's career. He then used the vast majority of that freed up cap space to re-sign good but not great defensive players instead of using it on a legit offensive weapon. 3 of his top 4 free agent signings were defensive linemen. His first 5 picks were defensive players. If Beane "would love to have" a legit #1 WR he sure hasn't acted like it.

 

You can't excuse the quality of the WR room away as just bad luck or bad timing. Repeatedly and intentionally he has valued every single position higher than WR. His words and his actions make it impossible to deny that.

[MikePJ76]

Sounds like the cowboys are done with Trevon diggs.  He is not playing Sunday and they activated corner Caelon Carson this week.

 

apparently he put his house for sale also.

 

if I were the bills I wouldn’t take him If he came WITH a first round pick.

[HappyDays]

27 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

If you want Beane's head for not getting Metcalf and going all in with his contract, then that's fair. But let's not pretend there were other realistic options to get WR1.

 

Yeah I hate to boil it down to one move but that is the glaring mistake. There is no combination of defensive players that we're paying that I wouldn't give up for Metcalf's contract right now. Rousseau and Bernard in particular stick out. Their combined AAV alone just about pays for Metcalf's $33M.

[aristocrat]

Keon and a first for waddle and achane 

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah I hate to boil it down to one move but that is the glaring mistake. There is no combination of defensive players that we're paying that I wouldn't give up for Metcalf's contract right now. Rousseau and Bernard in particular stick out. Their combined AAV alone just about pays for Metcalf's $33M.

Pickens?

[NewEra]

18 minutes ago, PayDaBill$ said:

Not sure how healthy Hariston’s knee is really. Coleman and Palmer can split time, I think Coleman can have an impact but these 50

50 sideline contested balls are a waste

of time and downs.  That’s on Brady, he needs to figure out how to best use Keon.

I don’t think Palmer and Keon should split time.  I think Palmer is a much better option right now. 
 

part of the reason we have him is the 50/50 balls and putting him position to use his body and body control to move the chains.  Yet it rarely comes to fruition.  If that is never going to happen, we should probably trade him now.  
 

if we aren’t going to be throwing him those balls, he’s best used in the slot…. But we already have Shakir and Kincaid.   I don’t see a place for him if he can’t move the chains on the sideline or downfield.

[BillsFanForever19]

20 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

Keon and a first for waddle and achane 

 

You think they're not only going to trade us Waddle in the Division to smack them in the face twice a year every year, but Achane as well?

 

Edited 7 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[aristocrat]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You think they're not only going to trade us Waddle in the Division to smack them in the face twice a year every year, but Achane as well?

 

We already beat them twice a year

[BillsFanForever19]

59 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

We already beat them twice a year

 

There's a difference between us beating them twice a year and their GM giving us their best 2 players on Offense to do it. Waddle and Achane coming into Miami's house on a yearly basis to punch the Dolphins in the mouth. That's a fireable offense.

 

This is why most teams trade their players out of the conference entirely. In Division trades are *exceedingly* rare. And if they happen, it's not their best players, let alone their best 2 players on Offense.

 

It's incredibly unlikely we'd even get Waddle. Miami says they aren't interested in trading him. And if they do, they'll have many options that are not only outside of the Division, but who's picks in the Round are perceived better than ours. Teams know we pick around 28 to 30 on a yearly basis. The idea of Achane and Waddle is straight up comedy.

Edited 6 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[PayDaBill$]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

I don’t think Palmer and Keon should split time.  I think Palmer is a much better option right now. 
 

part of the reason we have him is the 50/50 balls and putting him position to use his body and body control to move the chains.  Yet it rarely comes to fruition.  If that is never going to happen, we should probably trade him now.  
 

if we aren’t going to be throwing him those balls, he’s best used in the slot…. But we already have Shakir and Kincaid.   I don’t see a place for him if he can’t move the chains on the sideline or downfield.

That’s on Brady his 50 50 “chuck” balls on the sideline usually vs the opposing teams no 1 CB is a dumba$$ play call.  Coleman needs to be used differently. He needs quick-hitting passes, and more vertical targets where he can use physical strength and size.  Brady’s been a clown in the passing game with just about every wideout we’ve had! He made Diggs look washed.

 

Trading Coleman and bringing in a wr1 isn’t going to do squat until Brady figures out how to scheme a passing game.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by PayDaBill$

[CoudyBills]

2 hours ago, Low Positive said:

I think most of us did. I try to be positive and not post my negative thoughts here because I don't see how that's constructive, but I have no idea what Beane was thinking. I'm usually very positive, but I'm at a breaking point. They got so lucky last year with turnovers. There is no way that they actually believed that they could repeat that. I don't think Beane is stupid, but sometimes it seems like he cannot see pretty obvious things. This team needs weapons, and every fan, podcaster, and national talking head knows it. But somehow, Beane and Brady disagree. They think they are smarter than everyone else, but it's becoming obvious that they are just wrong and are willing to die on that hill. The problem is that we all have to suffer because they want to prove a point. 

 

The other thing I believe is that Pegula doesn't care about winning a Super Bowl, at least if it means taking a risk that might mean that the team is not competitive for a year or two. He wants those PSLs sold and those seats full. He also won't spend the cash that Lorie and Kraft spend to circumvent the cap rules. I just don't see a lot of hope for the present or the future. 

 

I'm at a low point with my feelings about this team. Damn them for losing badly going into the bye!

 

Sorry about the rant. 

Is this not what you are talking about?  The cash spending?  https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cash

 

I'm unfamiliar with what the Pats are doing.  Might you hook me up?  

[Maine-iac]

I've seen the idea floated out there but let me present it differently.  I've seen people ask why can't Shakir be the outside (X) WR and there are a variety of answers with the most arguments ending in "his arms are too short".    I'll put it out there again though.  With the amount of tight formations we run with 2 TE's if we have the WR's lined up tight to the formation anyways Shakir essentially still has his two way run.  He's quicker, a better route runner, and has much better hands than anyone else on our roster. 

[Low Positive]

5 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

Is this not what you are talking about?  The cash spending?  https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cash

 

I'm unfamiliar with what the Pats are doing.  Might you hook me up?  

I shouldn’t have included the Pats in the discussion because they have so much cap space that they don’t have to play tricks right now. Sorry.

 

What I’m talking about is the Eagles practice of paying players low annual salaries, instead compensating them via massive signing bonuses. This requires the owner to put up massive outlays of cash upfront. They then prorate that cap hit across multiple years, including 4 void years. Look at AJ Browns contract. They have pushed over 50 million of his cap hit into 4 void years.  Their bill comes due in 2030 across the board, but until then they can keep signing players even though they have a QB, two WRs, a RB, and multiple defensive players that are amongst the highest players at their positions. The owner’s willingness to pay up front allows them to act like an uncapped team in a capped league. 

[NewEra]

34 minutes ago, PayDaBill$ said:

That’s on Brady his 50 50 “chuck” balls on the sideline usually vs the opposing teams no 1 CB is a dumba$$ play call.  Coleman needs to be used differently. He needs quick-hitting passes, and more vertical targets where he can use physical strength and size.  Brady’s been a clown in the passing game with just about every wideout we’ve had! He made Diggs look washed.

 

Trading Coleman and bringing in a wr1 isn’t going to do squat until Brady figures out how to scheme a passing game.

 

Right….and Brady is our offensive play caller for this year (at least).   🍻 to him figuring it out.  If he doesn’t, we should trade him with picks for better WR.