Capco Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 14 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Agreed. But if teams have absolutely zero fear of it from a multiple standpoint of both Josh not being great at it and no one getting open - things remain the same. They'll continue to crowd the line of scrimmage, key in on Cook, send Safeties, and make life incredibly difficult in the short to intermediate areas. Josh has to work on it. He may never be great at it. But if we can get someone with deep speed and separation, they have to at least respect it. Even if he only hits it once in a while. While I don't think you're wrong about how speed would help open up the short and intermediate areas, I do think intentionally calling those deep routes and taking low-percentage shots with what we already have at WR would also help keep defenses off balance. The Bills need to be aggressive and assertive with these calls. Literally telegraph your intention to attack deep (even in pre-game pressers). Don't ever underestimate how quickly NFL defensive coordinators will start to play conservatively just to stop the threat of the big play. Then combine that with your offensive line and running game prowess, and mix in some play action passes with at least one deep route. Get the defense thinking "gotta defend deep... but wait, also gotta defend the run. Crap, they're running. *runs to LOS* OH NOOOO IT'S PLAY ACTION AND KINCAID IS BEHIND ME IN THE MIDDLE IDK WHAT'S EVEN HAPPENINGGGG!" Quote
Big Turk Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 13 hours ago, Nihilarian said: Click to open in new tab works !) We can't afford his contract right now 2) Dolphins are not trading him even if they do rebuild, him and Achane would remain the centerpieces of their offense, why would you get rid of 2 studs in their prime? Quote
dollars 2 donuts Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago On 10/14/2025 at 8:35 AM, Kirby Jackson said: Tired - The Bills need a number 1 WR. Wired - The Bills need a number 1 and a number 2 WR Some other names that could fill one of the spots Jakobi Meyers, Kendrick Bourne, DJ Moore, JaJuan Jennings Ya know what's weird Kirby, we used to have a really good wide receiver who everyone thought was gassed even though he has 86 receptions in the 15 games he has played since leaving here, which he was cut loose due to the advent of the love and orgasms over "everybody eats" when getting him a competent #2 WR probably would have helped things out tremendously. ...but any-who! 1 1 Quote
Nihilarian Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago Really, all it would take is to have Josh throw a few passes deep, and if he connects with one, it would scare the bejesus out of the defense and get them to start dropping deep and back off the run game. Seems like that would open up the offense even if they are low-percentage pass plays. When was the last time Josh went deep on a pass play, and he normally has time in the pocket to throw deep? We also know that Curtis Samuel can run a 4.31, Moore a 4.35, and Shakir a 4.43. More than enough speed to break away. It's all about how the Buffalo offense is schemed and set up. Josh Allen's average depth of target (ADOT) for the 2025 season is 8.03 yards, which ranks 8th in the NFL. This figure reflects a more underneath passing style compared to previous seasons, with recent game-specific ADOTs varying, such as a low of 3.3 yards in one recent game, according to SumerSports and Herd Mentality Quote
Dick_Cheney Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Really, all it would take is to have Josh throw a few passes deep, and if he connects with one, it would scare the bejesus out of the defense and get them to start dropping deep and back off the run game. Seems like that would open up the offense even if they are low-percentage pass plays. When was the last time Josh went deep on a pass play, and he normally has time in the pocket to throw deep? We also know that Curtis Samuel can run a 4.31, Moore a 4.35, and Shakir a 4.43. More than enough speed to break away. It's all about how the Buffalo offense is schemed and set up. Josh Allen's average depth of target (ADOT) for the 2025 season is 8.03 yards, which ranks 8th in the NFL. This figure reflects a more underneath passing style compared to previous seasons, with recent game-specific ADOTs varying, such as a low of 3.3 yards in one recent game, according to SumerSports and Herd Mentality Strong disagree. Once they realize it was a fluke and he isn't able to connect like that for the rest of the game going forward, it's over. Statistically speaking, even these dog water receivers we have will connect on a deep play here and there. We are absolutely hosed if Beane doesn't find a way to bring in a WR better than the ones we currently have. It sucks, but that's just the reality. Josh knows the quality of the receiving corps he is working with and it's clear that it's impacting him psychologically. If the offense sputters to start the game this week, don't be suprised if we see the wheels come off even more catastrophically than the Atlanta game. Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 22 hours ago, Pete said: Do the names John Brown, Robert Foster mean nothing to you? Does 98 yards ring a bell? I’ve watched Josh’s movie- he made some incredible deep throws. Josh has the best arm in the NFL. Take off the training wheels Brady, get us Shaheed, Beane. Chop-chop once all the above is completed, Bills will have top offense again Jon Brown + Josh was so lethal for the intermediate stuff. 20-25 yard chunk plays that got msde with the ease of a 5yd completion. Yes! The deep stuff is cherry on top. We'll need to hit a few to get the full respect... but its a guarantee to back defenders away from the line,as well As have to defend to the sidelines, not just between the hashes. The synergistic effect it would have is immeasurable and plays into the best talents we have on the team. -cooks life easier, and more productive in run game. -cook in space more on his receptions, always a threat for house call -Shakir could start seeing REALLLLL volume. We need a volume guy desperately. That was our "run game" aka chain mover in 2021. -Kincaid sees a much less crowded route tree 1 Quote
ScotSHO Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago It's becoming obvious the brass aren't going to mortgage the future for a quick fix this season. What you see is what you get. 1 Quote
quincy Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago My left field thought is Rashod Bateman. I am unsure whether he is a plausable number one, the three things that I like the most is that he is 25, he has been extended by Baltimore (three years $36.75M) and the Ravens might considering trading him at 1 and 5. I haven't looked into the deeper mathematics of it all. An article by ESPN states; Bateman, 25, has gone from being an underachieving 2021 first-round pick to the best deep threat for the NFL's No. 1 offense in 2024. He was the only player in the NFL last season to average over 16 yards per reception and catch at least nine touchdown passes. Source: Ravens give WR Rashod Bateman 3-year, $36.75M extension A 40 yard dash time of 4.41. Quote
ngbills Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 4 hours ago, Big Turk said: !) We can't afford his contract right now 2) Dolphins are not trading him even if they do rebuild, him and Achane would remain the centerpieces of their offense, why would you get rid of 2 studs in their prime? His contract is manageable this year and next. Worry about 2027 later. Quote
26TrapDraw Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago On 10/14/2025 at 5:45 AM, fitzMASTERchief said: Serious question...I wonder how many folks would become 49er fans? not sure but i would immediately not be a Bills fan any longer Quote
Big Turk Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 26 minutes ago, ngbills said: His contract is manageable this year and next. Worry about 2027 later. #2 means we wouldn't need to worry about it because he isn't for sale, especially not to a division rival. Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 33 minutes ago, quincy said: My left field thought is Rashod Bateman. I am unsure whether he is a plausable number one, the three things that I like the most is that he is 25, he has been extended by Baltimore (three years $36.75M) and the Ravens might considering trading him at 1 and 5. I haven't looked into the deeper mathematics of it all. An article by ESPN states; Bateman, 25, has gone from being an underachieving 2021 first-round pick to the best deep threat for the NFL's No. 1 offense in 2024. He was the only player in the NFL last season to average over 16 yards per reception and catch at least nine touchdown passes. Source: Ravens give WR Rashod Bateman 3-year, $36.75M extension A 40 yard dash time of 4.41. 9 TD's is a real anomaly as every other season he had only 1 or 2. The rest of his stats look that way too. Doesnt mean im out on him. Wonder wtf was so different last year than every other year? Huge deviation... like astronomical. LOL was it only because he was fighting for contract, cause it wouldnt shock me and what a lazy bag of **** hahah Quote
ScotSHO Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago On 10/14/2025 at 8:33 AM, boyst said: If we lose to the Panthers the only trade I want to see is with SF. Josh Allen for a 1st. Let him go with a competent organization. But back to your premise if we get Olave I want another WR, too. Ridley and Olave - sending Samuel or Davis or someone else young would be fine - is what i would take. I'm starting to really like Ty Simpson's game at Alabama. I think he'll be the next Brady and I could be talked into a trade for a couple of 1st round picks from a bottom feeder org. Even the Jets & Dolphins would be a consideration. Reset the 4-5 year window with a true pocket passer that won't consistently pass up open receivers in crunch time (see the last offensive plays from 2024 (Shakir) and 2023 (Diggs)). For all of Josh's strengths, he gets tunnel vision at the wrong times. Quote
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