Did we already miss the window with Josh

[The Jokeman]

4 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Oh yes, the standard rebuttal of the McD fan club. Wait each year for every promising candidate to be poached, then mid season say, see! Nobody is available. Works every time. 

I'm just saying people clamoring for McDermott to go haven't answered as the who is better to replace him? Give me names as the hypothetical doesn't match the reality. Change for change sake doesn't always mean better. See the Jets.

Edited yesterday at 01:48 PM by The Jokeman

[Jerboski]

4 at the most 

[Mikie2times]

3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

I'm just saying people clamoring for McDermott to go haven't answered as the who is better to replace him? Give me names as the hypothetical doesn't match the reality. Change for change sake doesn't always mean better. See the Jets.

This thread is about playmakers, not McD. You made it about McD. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

9 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

I'm going to get crushed for the following comments, and it's because I feel bad for Allen getting stuck in a going-nowhere franchise, but here it is....

 

I honestly hope he goes to a franchise that has the capability to win a Super Bowl. He's given this team a ton and I don't want to see him end his career without winning one. I would hate for him to have a Marino career, or worse, having never been to a championship game. It just doesn't look like it'll ever happen for Buffalo. 

 

This franchise is stuck in neutral. Or more appropriately, the transmission is shot. I don't know what can possibly change, but the coaching staff is mostly inept from top to bottom. 

 

 

Give me a break. Josh Allen owes just as much to the Bills as they do to him. 

[billieve420]

I worry once Josh loses ability to affect game with his legs how effective he will be. Reason why they should be all in these next 5 yrs to try and win Super Bowl. AFC is wide open with no elite team. Need to try and take advantage while he is in his prime.

[UKBillFan]

Just now, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Give me a break. Josh Allen owes just as much to the Bills as they do to him. 

 

Agree to an extent. But there will be a point where Josh will have to choose between loyalty and a Super Bowl ring if this approach continues.

[Dr.Sack]

I keep watching a fat Mahomes this season trying to run over linebackers.

[The Jokeman]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

This thread is about playmakers, not McD. You made it about McD. 

Players are defined by their coaches and coaches are defined by their players. Do you think Tom Brady have the same success has he not been paired with Belichic? Imagine he has been drafted by the Titans. I don't think his career goes the same way. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

4 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Agree to an extent. But there will be a point where Josh will have to choose between loyalty and a Super Bowl ring if this approach continues.

I don’t think it’s in his character to demand a trade. I just don’t see it. Even Aaron Rodgers stayed with GB until 40. He doesn’t strike me as that type unless the Bills were continuously missing the playoffs. 

[Buffalo Ballin]

No.

 

John Elway didn't win until late in his career.

Same thing happened with Steve Young.

[Riverboat Ritchie]

5 hours ago, jamiezzz said:

McDermott and most coaches needed to be replaced.  Bean may as well.  We can’t tackle, we lack fundamentals, any we are undersized at a few positions.  We is a joke.

Don’t forget slow and kinda old too.  Unreal.  

[Sweats]

Look at Josh's eyes.......he looks dead inside, looks like he's lost his desire and will.

Where's the fire and passion?

 

The last time his eyes looked like that, the OC was fired........maybe we're due for Brady to get run out of town.

[Gregg]

16 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

I'm just saying people clamoring for McDermott to go haven't answered as the who is better to replace him? Give me names as the hypothetical doesn't match the reality. Change for change sake doesn't always mean better. See the Jets.

 

I wouldn't even look to get the coach first. I would at teams who have drafted well to get the new GM. The FOs from the Eagles and Ravens for example have done well drafting over the years and putting strong rosters together. Both teams have won multiple Super Bowls. I would look to hire AGMs from teams like this who have done well in the draft. Once the Bills find that person then let them hire the next HC. The new GM has to come here with a strong track record with building through the draft. If we had that with Beane then we probably have a Super Bowl win already.

[Fleezoid]

19 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

The only person who can change it is Terry. If this season ends up a disappointing one, then I would at least hope Beane and McDermott are on the hot seat. Terry will be asking Bills fans to pay a lot for tickets with PSL's at the new stadium. He can at least try to put the best product on the field for Bills fans to watch. After 9 years of same old same old with McBean that probably means a different GM/HC to come here and run the show.

 

It does start there. But I'm equally frustrated with the coordinators. We have a defense that is sloppy and unprepared and an offense that is so benign now that a big play is an 8 yard Cook run. I know we have an overall mediocre receiver crew, but there has to be more than what we saw last night. 

[Buffalo Ballin]

1 minute ago, Sweats said:

Look at Josh's eyes.......he looks dead inside, looks like he's lost his desire and will.

Where's the fire and passion?

 

The last time his eyes looked like that, the OC was fired........maybe we're due for Brady to get run out of town.

We can see why. No matter the great stats he put up, our defense erases his efforts. It's sad, and embarrassing, to see.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

32 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

I'm going to get crushed for the following comments, and it's because I feel bad for Allen getting stuck in a going-nowhere franchise, but here it is....

 

I honestly hope he goes to a franchise that has the capability to win a Super Bowl. He's given this team a ton and I don't want to see him end his career without winning one. I would hate for him to have a Marino career, or worse, having never been to a championship game. It just doesn't look like it'll ever happen for Buffalo. 

 

This franchise is stuck in neutral. Or more appropriately, the transmission is shot. I don't know what can possibly change, but the coaching staff is mostly inept from top to bottom. 

 

 

I won’t ever agree with this take of trading Josh personally haha but I feel like we gotta let this season play out before I’ll even understand the other side of it.

 

I don’t think any AFC team with any coaching staff will ever just walk away from the chiefs in the playoffs.  You can bring in whoever you want and you’re always gonna get put in the ‘drive down the field for a td to ice it’ and that’s where we’ve been.  Obviously if we go backwards and struggle to make the playoffs/get bounced early, the decision gets easy.  If we lose a super close one to kc again it’s tough but doable. 
 

The ‘who do you bring in’ question is kinda murky at this point though and makin me a little nervous. Anyone available is giving me the ‘chargers firing schottenheimer for norv turner and schottenheimer laughing at that franchise every day for the rest of his life’ kinda vibe to me 😂. I think the big names were Zach Orr and Joe Brady comin into the season haha yikes.  I think the absolute best you can do at this point is previously failed head coach/infamously produces diminishing returns on offense Kliff Kingsbury 

21 minutes ago, billieve420 said:

I worry once Josh loses ability to affect game with his legs how effective he will be. Reason why they should be all in these next 5 yrs to try and win Super Bowl. AFC is wide open with no elite team. Need to try and take advantage while he is in his prime.

He actually looked really really good in the pocket against NE tbh…I think it’s mental more than anything where he likes to be moving around and teams kinda try to use that against him.  I think he’ll still be great well into his 30s

Edited yesterday at 02:12 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[dorquemada]

6 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

If they have a 9-8 year … they better find that No 1 receiver at pick 18 

 

You know Beane would never take a WR that high. Think of all the tiny & fragile CBs and DL that will still be there at 18

[KOKBILLS]

6 hours ago, Sojourner said:

They’re married now. They stop a lot of those “things” when the ring is on. 

[Donuts and Doritos]

With Josh - No

 

With McD - Yes

[The Jokeman]

20 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

I wouldn't even look to get the coach first. I would at teams who have drafted well to get the new GM. The FOs from the Eagles and Ravens for example have done well drafting over the years and putting strong rosters together. Both teams have won multiple Super Bowls. I would look to hire AGMs from teams like this who have done well in the draft. Once the Bills find that person then let them hire the next HC. The new GM has to come here with a strong track record with building through the draft. If we had that with Beane then we probably have a Super Bowl win already.

The Eagles and Ravens have also had picks in the top 15 of drafts that helped shore up some talent. See Kyle Hamilton, Roquan Smith, Ronnie Staley, Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis and DeVonte Smith. Last three picks Bills has in top 15? Josh, Ed Oliver and Stephon Gilmore.

 

Edited yesterday at 02:30 PM by The Jokeman