A Few Thoughts about the Falcons Game - Community Edition

[MasterStrategist]

Great summary, @Virgil.  @GunnerBill, agree with main points 100%.

 

For the life of me, I don't understand how Beane doesn't shoulder 80% of the team's issues right now.  I'll repeat what everyone has said, but it's such a simple concept --- we have a generational QB, but no way this talent is going to let him play to his potential --- Beane has NOT done a good job finding him a capable WR room. Just handcuffing Josh right now --- he's clearly frustrated and not sure what else he can do at this point, b/c we have nobody who can win on the boundary.

 

McD needs to let Babich walk and just take over defensive calls.  Not ideal and tough with that relationship, but McD needs to make the tough decisions.

 

Joe Brady is a capable coach -- I feel like Josh, he's trying to do too much, but he's "pressing" b/c teams have figured out how to defend us and dare our boundary WRs to win routes.

 

This bye week is perfect timing.  We need a reset --- but not sure we're going to solve our most glaring issue --- WR talent.  Then we need to figure out how to fix our safety room. 

 

Beane set this franchise back with 4 key decisions IMO:

1. Signing Samuel

2. Drafting Keon

3. Drafting Cole

4. Not looking for a legit starter at FS in '25 FA --- there were plenty of options and instead, we stuck with Rapp

 

Plenty of other questionable decisions by Beane and some bad injury luck -- but we're in a much better spot if he found 1 legit WR and 1 legit S, over the past 2 seasons.  This is all on him/scouting --- RIGHT positions / WRONG players (poor evaluation)

 

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Here we go again. I remember people saying the same thing last year after the Baltimore and Houston losses. Then we added a downfield boundary WR and lo and behold the "regression" was stopped in its tracks. And Cooper was no elite threat for us by any means, but just having that baseline option available made a massive difference.

 

I'm going to keep saying this until I'm blue in the face - the worst sin this regime has committed is convincing a portion of the fanbase that Allen is anything less than elite. They are ruining his legacy as evidenced by posts like this. Tom Brady had a disappointing final year in New England and people thought his career was over. Instead he went to the team with the best set of offensive weapons in the league and promptly won another Super Bowl. Every QB that has ever played in the NFL has needed help to perform at their best.

Watching Allen the last two games he's forcing too much. Hence the turnovers are back. Yet it's the same players he played with in the first 4 weeks minus Kincaid. I love Josh and get people want to deflect but sorry he isn't focused as I've seen him be in the past.

[saundena]

9 hours ago, paulmm3 said:

All three of our defensive starters who signed big contracts last offseason suck now. That is a major problem.

I don't understand this.  There was a good sample size too, which is why we extended them in the first place.  At some point, the law of averages has to play out.  Hopefully it starts at Carolina 

[billsfan_34]

32 minutes ago, Riverboat Ritchie said:

Elam was such a bad pick and every time I see Trent McDuffie play I get so pissed for what could of been.  Ironically though last night, even though Elam has sucked with Dallas too, I was like maybe we could of used him some to play tight man coverage. We are in trouble. Slow old and small. 

Beane had whiffed far too often. Its borderline insanity at this point. The GM/HC/Coordinators are now going to find out what its like to have a pissed off fanbase.

[Jerboski]

1 hour ago, Cray51 said:

Every player needs to own their part, and Allen was a major issue last night.

I’ll hold him accountable when this organization gives him proper weapons, when he has what mahomes, Lamar, burrow, hurts… stop asking this guy to be Superman with the bare minimum 

 

enough is enough 

[MasterStrategist]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

Watching Allen the last two games he's forcing too much. Hence the turnovers are back. Yet it's the same players he played with in the first 4 weeks minus Kincaid. I love Josh and get people want to deflect but sorry he isn't focused as I've seen him be in the past.

Agree -- Allen is human, and he has bad games.  Too many posters on here, do everything they can to point the finger at someone else --- but hard truth, is that sometimes Josh is out of sync too.

 

Obviously the good news, Josh will fix this.  We all got spoiled with LY's remarkable play + our offense being able to play near perfect at times.

 

The talent surrounding him, or lack thereof + injuries, is causing him to "press" too much. He's leaving the pocket too soon on plays and not seeing the field consistently right now.   Talent isn't fixable (at least until a major trade or next offseason), but now Brady has an entire bye week to adjust his offense to counter what defenses are showing us.  

 

Extremely difficult to assess Joe Brady and his offense --- when we're so handicapped at WR right now (aka Beane's lack of talent that he's found).  I genuinely think Joe is a very good coordinator -- he took a struggling offense in 2023 and reset that to go on a winning streak.  In 2024, he coordinated one of our top offensive PPG in team history and a Josh MVP season.  He didn't forget how to coach overnight.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

This loss feels much different than the others ones. Not because it was some trap game after a big W where they just came in unprepared. The wheels seem like they’re coming off of this organization. Better now than never when Josh is 29 instead of 35. Starting over wouldn’t be as bad as people think. Statistically, this team couldn’t really get any worse. The Bills have some nice pieces and a franchise QB. They could attract any coach in the league they wanted. As a fan. I am done selling myself short. We deserve better. Thank you for rebuilding this team, McDermott & Beane. This era is over 

Edited 16 hours ago by ChronicAndKnuckles

[Billsatlastin2018]

I agree with EVERYTHING the OP said.

 

Going in, all/ most of us knew this D is a disaster! 
it can’t rush.

It can’t cover.

it can’t tackle.

 

Until it gets that right, the O must carry them. We suspected that Beanie’s terrible decision to not obtain a WR 1 or at least 2, via Draft or FA was a bad problem of his own making. They just do NOT have the talent to separate!
 

Just heard Chris Brown’s analysis of this last night. Of 17s 11 incompletions, two were INTs, but the other NINE were into contested coverage.
That is, NOBODY gets ***** open!

 

And, like so many posters who said so simultaneously as the game wound down, WHERE TF was # 4? Clearly, the most talented Bill on the field other than Josh. and able to actually get separation and make big gains by RECEIVING the ball!!! Conversely, Tom Brady Penix was 20/32. Two were tipped balls or coverage.
Meaning? 7 he flat out missed wide open targets!

 

That’s right. Our MVP couldn’t find an open target all night. Shitbox Penix on this shitbox Falcons team MISSED 7 wide open targets that could have added to their stats.

 

WHO is it to blame.

 

My order?
 

#1 Beanie, who was so convinced of his correctness, he has left 17 with #5s & 6s and some used, washed spare plugs! And not addressed ONE issue on the D. Nad drafting, bad contracts to fine china or lack of talent positions… bad!

 

#2 McDummy and his Clown Car Coaches have led to complimentary trash performance.

 

#3 Muitiple positions without NFL level talent.

 

Big changes are needed.

Edited 16 hours ago by Billsatlastin2018

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, yall said:

This is what bad drafting and poor coaching with a once in a lifetime QB looks like on a protracted timeline.

 

The team sucks and we'd be lucky to have a winning record any of the last 5 seasons if we had an average QB 

.....and here is your winning answer!

[LABILLBACKER]

49 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

I agree with EVERYTHING the OP said.

 

Going in, all/ most of us knew this D is a disaster! 
it can’t rush.

It can’t cover.

it can’t tackle.

 

Until it gets that right, the O must carry them. We suspected that Beanie’s terrible decision to not obtain a WR 1 or at least 2, via Draft or FA was a bad problem of his own making. They just do NOT have the talent to separate!
 

Just heard Chris Brown’s analysis of this last night. Of 17s 11 incompletions, two were INTs, but the other NINE were into contested coverage.
That is, NOBODY gets ***** open!

 

And, like so many posters who said so simultaneously as the game wound down, WHERE TF was # 4? Clearly, the most talented Bill on the field other than Josh. and able to actually get separation and make big gains by RECEIVING the ball!!! Conversely, Tom Brady Penix was 20/32. Two were tipped balls or coverage.
Meaning? 7 he flat out missed wide open targets!

 

That’s right. Our MVP couldn’t find an open target all night. Shitbox Penix on this shitbox Falcons team MISSED 7 wide open targets that could have added to their stats.

 

WHO is it to blame.

 

My order?
 

#1 Beanie, who was so convinced of his correctness, he has left 17 with #5s & 6s and some used, washed spare plugs! And not addressed ONE issue on the D. Nad drafting, bad contracts to fine china or lack of talent positions… bad!

 

#2 McDummy and his Clown Car Coaches have led to complimentary trash performance.

 

#3 Muitiple positions without NFL level talent.

 

Big changes are needed.

I agree Beane has done a terrible job buying groceries for Josh. But let's not forget who hired Beane....and Dorsey....and Babich....and Brady.  I'm so tired of McD trying to always come out of these situations unscathed. Both these guys are equally culpable. They both made the concerted decision to give Josh absolute garbage weapons over the last few seasons. Meanwhile they emphasized drafting for the most part failed defensive players. The locker room does appear fractured.  Stay tuned.....

[paulmm3]

4 hours ago, saundena said:

I don't understand this.  There was a good sample size too, which is why we extended them in the first place.  At some point, the law of averages has to play out.  Hopefully it starts at Carolina 

 

I worry getting paid sapped some of their fire to train hard in the offseason.

[muppy]

15 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

They are soft and even Josh is playing like he is a cerebral QB not a master of physical improvisation. 

Being our best player by far for me makes  it feels odd to criticize him. We all know of his many gifts and desire to win a championship for Buffalo.

 

He not having  a good game yesterday exacerbates every other weakness we saw and made last nights game so frustrating.

 

 FCOL quit beating themselves with penalties for starters

Edited 11 hours ago by muppy

[Bill from NYC]

 

5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I agree Beane has done a terrible job buying groceries for Josh. But let's not forget who hired Beane....and Dorsey....and Babich....and Brady.  I'm so tired of McD trying to always come out of these situations unscathed. Both these guys are equally culpable. They both made the concerted decision to give Josh absolute garbage weapons over the last few seasons. Meanwhile they emphasized drafting for the most part failed defensive players. The locker room does appear fractured.  Stay tuned.....

When McDermott came to town in 2017, his first move was to trade the Mahomes pick to KC and draft a cornerback. I have heard excuses, mainly "nine other teams passed on Mahomes." This is true, however; our QB room consisted of Tyrod taylor, Cardale Jones, and EJ Manuel. McDermott wanted a cornerback because corner and DT were, and still are his primary concerns. Sad indeed.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2016_roster.htm

Edited 10 hours ago by Bill from NYC

[PonyBoy]

11 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:

Great summary, @Virgil.  @GunnerBill, agree with main points 100%.

 

For the life of me, I don't understand how Beane doesn't shoulder 80% of the team's issues right now.  I'll repeat what everyone has said, but it's such a simple concept --- we have a generational QB, but no way this talent is going to let him play to his potential --- Beane has NOT done a good job finding him a capable WR room. Just handcuffing Josh right now --- he's clearly frustrated and not sure what else he can do at this point, b/c we have nobody who can win on the boundary.

 

McD needs to let Babich walk and just take over defensive calls.  Not ideal and tough with that relationship, but McD needs to make the tough decisions.

 

Joe Brady is a capable coach -- I feel like Josh, he's trying to do too much, but he's "pressing" b/c teams have figured out how to defend us and dare our boundary WRs to win routes.

 

This bye week is perfect timing.  We need a reset --- but not sure we're going to solve our most glaring issue --- WR talent.  Then we need to figure out how to fix our safety room. 

 

Beane set this franchise back with 4 key decisions IMO:

1. Signing Samuel

2. Drafting Keon

3. Drafting Cole

4. Not looking for a legit starter at FS in '25 FA --- there were plenty of options and instead, we stuck with Rapp

 

Plenty of other questionable decisions by Beane and some bad injury luck -- but we're in a much better spot if he found 1 legit WR and 1 legit S, over the past 2 seasons.  This is all on him/scouting --- RIGHT positions / WRONG players (poor evaluation)

 

 

Great summary, @Virgil.  @GunnerBill, agree with main points 100%.