Beans and Sean - Should we miss the SB again

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

The Bills already hit their peak at 13 seconds. The AFC is only going to be adding more young QBs who will make our schedule tougher every single year. Wait until Miami and Jets actually find a guy when they go 2-15.

 

We will never have any easier schedule than we do this year and if they don't get the 1 seed and make it to the Super Bowl, it's an abject failure all-around. Our depth is awful, the offense is ALL Josh Allen, and we are 1 or two injuries away from completely falling apart. The Patriots found their guy and the division is no longer a given anymore.

 

How many more failed Dline and receiver picks need to be made to show that drafting has been atrocious. Without Allen, this team falls off a cliff and and maybe they win 2-3 games a year. Wasting arguably the most talented QB to ever live is the crime of the sports century. Enough is enough..

The perfect time to make a change was 2021, right after 13s.  But the teflon man had unlimited support by fans and Pegula. Meanwhile we wasted 4 more years of Josh's younger production since then.  Countless failed defensive draft picks.  The Von Miller debacle. Our defense is injury riddled every year. We've had plenty of opportunities to go after other experienced coaches but we continue with our own personal groundhogs day.

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Firstly that isn't quite right.....

 

Rex was a game below .500 as Bills coach and McDermott was a game over .500 before Josh. But the fact is the 2015 roster should have been more than a .500 roster and they scrambled to .500 having been 6-8. That was an underachievement. 

 

I know you hate McDermott but arguing Rex would have won a Superbowl is patently ludicrous.

 

Ryan first two yrs w Bills (Tyrod Taylor at QB): 15-16

McDermott first two w Bills (Tyrod and Allen at QB): 15-17

 

Ryan w Sanchez at QB: 2 AFCCG appearances

McDermott w Allen at QB: 2 AFCCG appearances 

 

yes verrrry comfortable saying Ryan would have won a SB w prime Allen already

[GunnerBill]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Ryan first two yrs w Bills (Tyrod Taylor at QB): 15-16

McDermott first two w Bills (Tyrod and Allen at QB): 15-17

 

Ryan w Sanchez at QB: 2 AFCCG appearances

McDermott w Allen at QB: 2 AFCCG appearances 

 

yes verrrry comfortable saying Ryan would have won a SB w prime Allen already

 

Well you're wrong. But well done. And I thought we were talking McDermott pre-Allen?

 

Already moved your goalposts. 

[NavyBillsFan]

I feel Pegula got lucky with Beane and McDermott but they are not great....

 

McDermott is the modern age Marty Schottenheimer....  So close but no cigar...

 

Beane has to be the WORST 1st and 2nd round selector (minus Allen, but Allen put the work in, not Beane to be great) in the history of the NFL...

 

Salary cap is over 3 million next season already...  And Pegula?  I NEVER had faith in him.  He may be great dealing oil, but is a idiot when it comes to sports....   Sabers anyone????

[AZSanta]

1 hour ago, Success said:

 

I'm kind of opposite. I still think our personnel is better than what they show on the field.  I think a top-tier DC could make this a top 10 defense w/ the players we have.  

 

The schemes & soft zone have always nagged at me.  They just don't work against top QB's and teams, and we don't seem to make necessary changes.

 

McDermott will never change his defensive scheme. It hasn't changed in 8 years. No matter how many times his defense fails in the playoffs vs KC. There in lies the problem. That's why he needs to go.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Well you're wrong. But well done. And I thought we were talking McDermott pre-Allen?

 

Already moved your goalposts. 

oh trust me i realize this is a rhetorical exercise lol

 

nobody carries mcdermott's water like you do

[Mikie2times]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Firstly that isn't quite right.....

 

Rex was a game below .500 as Bills coach and McDermott was a game over .500 before Josh. But the fact is the 2015 roster should have been more than a .500 roster and they scrambled to .500 having been 6-8. That was an underachievement. 

 

I know you hate McDermott but arguing Rex would have won a Superbowl is patently ludicrous.

 

Rex would never hold a run like this together, but could he provide a higher ceiling for a couple years? Not THAT massive of a stretch to think that is the case. 

[Steptide]

Not sure I'd be fully on board with firing beane and McDermott, but I might be on board with new coordinators. This defense has just never improved going back to Fraizer. I mean, we all remember 13 seconds, or the Bengal playoff game with guys litterally playing 10 yards off the Los. It goes on and on. I don't think it'd be terrible to bring in someone that would completely flips the tables and do something completely different 

[TH3]

2 hours ago, Cubanmist 1 said:

As much as I love Sean and Beane, I strongly believe that if we miss reaching the SB again we HAVE to move on. Things seem stagnant and nothing has changed when compared to last year. 
 

I think Beane has done a disservice to Allen by not providing better targets especially when he could have instead of drafting crappy players (Landon Jackson, Bishop, Greg Rousseau, Basham, and that one CB that was traded to Dallas). Something has got to change. What do you guys think?

Again?   wtf is with this board ? Can’t you see there are 50 freaking other hate Mcbeane threads…but…oh wait…your special …you have original thoughts here…

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

Rex would never hold a run like this together, but could he provide a higher ceiling for a couple years? Not THAT massive of a stretch to think that is the case. 

People don't have big enough dreams lol

 

They think what we've been seeing is the ceiling but I think it's closer to the floor

[stuvian]

This is a finesse/speed team built for turf that can't get to the QB. We have not had a dominating defender in the Beane era. When you hit on your QB it masks other shortcomings. But who would make a change when you're this close?

A friend told me there are no blue chip pass rushers on teams with franchise QBS on veteran contracts. You can feel the Chiefs fading away. The Ravens are imploding and Burrow can't stay healthy. It's now or never.

[Marcus Aurelius]

3 hours ago, BananaB said:

Sometimes not walking away from familiarity is the biggest mistake. 

Good romantic advice 

[Mikie2times]

Our EPA on offense is a few ticks better than last year and our EPA on defense is a few ticks worse. It is essentially a wash, a near break even. Last year’s team came within a few plays of the Super Bowl, so it is not irrational to think our outlook should not be drastically different. The question is whether just getting yourself back to that position is good enough or whether you are actively improving your position once you are there.

 

This year, with Kansas City and Baltimore both a little down, even slight progression could give us a real edge. But so far our investment strategy has not produced meaningful results. Brandon Beane is busy mocking radio hosts for questioning his approach and doing offseason media tours about how he drafted Josh Allen, while the team itself is not getting better on the field.

 

Hyde and Poyer remain the best players we have had on defense, and neither of them were draft picks. Back then, Beane was shrewd with free agent acquisitions and hit some home runs. That version of him does not seem to exist anymore. The front office has not brought in high end defensive talent in years, and the unit feels like a talent vacuum.

 

Then there is McDermott. He is restricting meaningful defensive change because that is his side of the ball. We hear the defense is simple, then we hear it is complicated, but either way it is ineffective. I do not care whether the issue is talent, execution, or scheme. It all falls under the same umbrella of underperformance. How can any fan have confidence this defense will improve with the same two people driving it?

 

Beane was significantly better during the first build. McDermott might be more mature now, but together they remain fixated on pouring resources into a side of the ball that continually fails to deliver. They are all in on defense, but the returns do not justify the investment.

 

At some point, time becomes irrelevant. Nothing we have seen suggests that more of it will change the outcome. If this continues, twenty years from now we will look back on this era as even more polarizing than the 1990s teams.

[Allen2Moulds]

For those that want McDermott gone, and I know he has his warts, but you have to be pretty convinced that you landed an upgrade.

 

I pose this.

 

Why is it that our secondary can't cover even no name below average WRs, but equally, when teams man up against us, our WRs can't get any separation?

 

Beane has done a good job building the oline, but it did take a long time, and I honestly have to give Kromer just as much credit.

[3rdand12]

Tough call for me. I think this staff works hard as heck and not sure what internal tweaks need to made to The Process.

 But sincere changes would need to made.

But absolutely not a clean House.

 Close , very.

 go bills

[Jerboski]

3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

One always thinks the grass is greener on the other side, but most of the time it’s brown.

You cannot be scared of change when it’s warranted. Both of these guys have had plenty leash to get this done, we have the second best QB in the league at worst, how long do they get? 
 

you realize we won’t have this version of Josh Allen much longer, it’s like some of you think he will just always be this… 

3 hours ago, uticaclub said:

One of them should; neither of them will. They will be here for Josh’s entire career in Buffalo and only get fired after they go 2-15 following Allen’s departure.

What I’m scared of and you are probably right, that’s tragic 

[BananaB]

If we end the same way this year there needs to be change. If it’s not both, it should atleast be one. I think I’d rather see McD without Bean’s ***** drafting than Beane with a lesser coach. I’m not a huge fan of McDs system but I have more respect for him 

[Jerboski]

2 hours ago, KentuckyBillsFan said:

1) Babich is clearly not the answer. The defense has regressed badly since he arrived. Is that all his fault? No. 

2) Beane and McDermott were the right guys in 2017. They aren't anymore.. if Pegula has a serious desire to win a super bowl.. which I'm not sure about.

3) It is a very weird feeling that by every measure this is a very good era of Bills football but it's also been disappointing because of how crushing of a note the season always seems to end on. There isn't a fan base in sports that wants a championship more than the Bills.

Way I see it too.. thankful for the culture and picking this thing up from being a dumpster fire, but you have to begin to wonder have we reached our peak with this outfit? We have lost to the same team what three times now in the playoffs and if I were betting today I would take the chiefs again in a playoff game over us 

 

at what point do we as fans and the owner get to say thank you but the goalposts are shifting from being respect able and good, to elite, championship

 

it truly feels like we are operating under insanity, doing  the same thing over and over, and expecting a different  outcome. Josh Allen as good as he is, cannot beat better coaching and better talent nor should he be required to 

9 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Tough call for me. I think this staff works hard as heck and not sure what internal tweaks need to made to The Process.

 But sincere changes would need to made.

But absolutely not a clean House.

 Close , very.

 go bills

They have been close for 5 years, what about now gives you hope that anything has changed… this message you posted is insanity, we been hearing how close they are for half a decade now 

[goldenboy81]

Afc is wide open and kc could be 2-4 soon. This season and 13 secs might be the best chance they get to a superbowl. It doesn't happen every year.