The final play to Shakir. Samuel was wide open for easy TD

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, Brand J said:

Josh didn’t have the laser-like focus last night. Still made plays to win the game, but Drake made more. Pats deserved the win.
 

I don’t know why Allen has gone back to bailing out of clean pockets. He’s done that a few times in the last couple weeks. Wish he was more like Mahomes and Jackson from that standpoint - run around like a squirrel in the pocket until something breaks downfield, but he’s leaving clean protection which shortens the field and invites the rush. 

Pretty sure because nobody is getting open, has become the norm.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

8 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Here is the knox fumble.  Gilliam and Kincaid on the line next to brown were blocking at the snap.  This looks like it was a straight handoff to knox and the timing was sort of off and knox just fumbled the ball somehow.

 

 

Yeah it was a handoff. The question is did Knox forget about it?  He almost looked surprised he was getting the ball. They had the edge blocked up well.  It would have been a nice little gain and a nice little wrinkle.

[NoSaint]

9 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Here is the knox fumble.  Gilliam and Kincaid on the line next to brown were blocking at the snap.  This looks like it was a straight handoff to knox and the timing was sort of off and knox just fumbled the ball somehow.

 

 

he fumbled because he’s a backup TE taking a handoff 

[Goin Breakdown]

I think Diggs lives rent free in Allen's head. Last years Houston game was a bad josh game as well. Josh doesn't have that many bad games but just so happens that the last 2 I can think of are vs Diggs. We'll see when we go to to their house  

[MJS]

24 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

If you are calling the Knox fumble Allen’s fault completely, then you are just salty about the loss. It was a failed handoff where Knox didn’t know he was getting the ball. It is impossible for us to know, as fans, what the play call was.

 

Considering Knox is a lumbering oaf, and I can’t remember any other failed exchanges in the recent past, my money is on Knox being the screwup there.

 

23 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

How the BLEEP is the Knox fumble Allen’s fault? Allen hands the ball off 350 times per year and doesn’t fumble and you think it was Allen? Not the TE who never receives handoffs? Really!? Do any of you think before posting?

 

How much harder do you want Josh to slam this ball in Knox’s chest!?????

 

 

My guess is you think that Allen kept the ball for the handoff to Cook. And that might be the case! However, it would STILL Knox’s fault for not operating the false handoff properly. Again, Allen does this 300+ times per year flawlessly.

 

It was a horrendous play call.

Because he tried to pull back the handoff and fumbled it. The QB has to pull it back quicker and do it with TWO hands to protect the ball.

[DeltaDigital]

1 hour ago, MikePJ76 said:

So yes, Shakir was interfered with as you can see in the image...he is hit the ball is not there yet.....But If Allen just stayed in the pocked he had a simple throw for an easy 30 yard TD to Curtis Samuel.  Not sure why Josh bailed on good protection.  

 

Shakir was 100% hit early and also as you can see in the other image Allen was hit in the head after the throw.  Everything was called in this game and they let these go for some reason.  There is simply no explanation for it.  

 

TO Be Clear the second picture the ball in front of shakir was on its way to him not bouncing off.  It was as obvious as it gets that it was PI why the whistle was swallowed who knows?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

effing brutal. 

 

[MikePJ76]

To be clear with everyone who has confused this with a bashing allen post.  I believe Allen can make that throw all day to samuel, over the linebacker and in between the safety and corner who is sitting at the 18 yard like.  We have seen him make tons of throws over linebackers and between safeties.  This is actually the opposite of a bash allen thread.  here are two simple examples of Allens incredible arm strength doing just that.

 

 

 

 

[DapperCam]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

 

Because he tried to pull back the handoff and fumbled it. The QB has to pull it back quicker and do it with TWO hands to protect the ball.

I think it might be time to get your prescription updated for your glasses because he put it right into Knox’s gut.

[Einstein]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

he bailed from clean pockets several times

 

List the exact plays this happened. I want to see the exact plays you are speaking of. It’s easy to throw out blanket statements like this, but let’s break down these plays where she 

 

11 minutes ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

 and clearly made the wrong decision to keep the ball on the read option that surly looks like would have been a walk in TD for Johnson.  

 

Always so easy to say with hindsight.

 

Do you know how QB’s make decisions on read options? 

 

Hint; It’s not by seeing the future and knowing which option will work better.

 

They are looking at the DE to see which way he crashes. Go towards the RB = QB keeps it. If he goes toward the QB = He gives to the RB.

 

Thats how it is taught.

 

On this play, the New England DE did an incredibly good job of staying neutral. He didn’t crash either way. Look at this image of when Allen is deciding:

 

 

Because the DE stays neutral, Allen has a choice.

 

1) Hand it off and hope Ty beats him to the edge.

 

2) Trust the best player in the NFL (himself) to get the yardage.

 

He trusted himself, which he should.

 

He didn’t have a window into the future telling him which option would work better. He did what he was taught - read the DE. And on this play, the DE played it perfectly.

 

[MJS]

18 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

The defense 

 

-Gave up 71 rushing yards on 22 carries.

-Held the Pats to 3 out of 9 (33%) on third downs

-Recorded 4 sacks

-Forced 4 punts and a turnover

 

They did their part last night. 

In the first half the defense was great. But in the 2nd half they missed a million tackles and made Diggs look like a top 3 receiver in the NFL.

 

The offense sucked in the 1st half and the defense sucked in the 2nd.

Just now, DapperCam said:

I think it might be time to get your prescription updated for your glasses because he put it right into Knox’s gut.

And then tried to pull it back out.

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

In the first half the defense was great. But in the 2nd half they missed a million tackles and made Diggs look like a top 3 receiver in the NFL.

 

The offense sucked in the 1st half and the defense sucked in the 2nd.

Diggs got a free release all game at the line of scrimmage.  There were a few times where he ran like 5 to 7 yards before anyone was even around him.  It was made so easy for him to get open and get the ball quick.

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

Because he tried to pull back the handoff and fumbled it. The QB has to pull it back quicker and do it with TWO hands to protect the ball.

 

Huh? Play-action or false handoffs on seeeps are never done with two hands. You’re thinking of RPO’s. Allen does this hundreds of times per year with no issues. Knox screwed this up because he NEVER does that and didn’t get his hands out of the way. 

[MikePJ76]

13 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Yeah it was a handoff. The question is did Knox forget about it?  He almost looked surprised he was getting the ball. They had the edge blocked up well.  It would have been a nice little gain and a nice little wrinkle.

He clearly just completely botched the handoff.  Allen gave it right to him.  They always statistically give these fumbles to the qb though which confuses a lot of people thinking its on the qb.  This was clearly not.

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, MikePJ76 said:

So yes, Shakir was interfered with as you can see in the image...he is hit the ball is not there yet.....But If Allen just stayed in the pocked he had a simple throw for an easy 30 yard TD to Curtis Samuel.  Not sure why Josh bailed on good protection.  

 

Shakir was 100% hit early and also as you can see in the other image Allen was hit in the head after the throw.  Everything was called in this game and they let these go for some reason.  There is simply no explanation for it.  

 

TO Be Clear the second picture the ball in front of shakir was on its way to him not bouncing off.  It was as obvious as it gets that it was PI why the whistle was swallowed who knows?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Allen was out of the pocket. Once the QB leaves the pocket receivers are no longer protected from being contacted by defenders who are playing the ball. The Pats DB played the ball. No call was correct. Had Allen stayed in the pocket, then DPI would have been the correct call. 

[MikePJ76]

Just now, BarleyNY said:

 

Allen was out of the pocket. Once the QB leaves the pocket receivers are no longer protected from being contacted by defenders who are playing the ball. The Pats DB played the ball. No call was correct. Had Allen stayed in the pocket, then DPI would have been the correct call. 

You can go through the back of a wr while the ball is in the air since the qb is out of the pocket?  Since when?

 

Illegal contact is forgiven with the qb out of the pocket but I don't recall when a defender is allowed to go through the back of a wr early and make that play.  It was PI and he knew it and couldn't believe it when it wasn't called.  He was sitting there waiting for the flag.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Just now, MikePJ76 said:

He clearly just completely botched the handoff.  Allen gave it right to him.  They always statistically give these fumbles to the qb though which confuses a lot of people thinking its on the qb.  This was clearly not.

I agree.  What we don't know for sure was whether it was supposed to be a handoff or a fake.  The blocking suggests it was supposed to be a handoff.  Knox's reaction suggests he was not expecting it - most likely because he forgot the play call.  But it's possible it was meant to be a bootleg - though very unlikely.

[bmur66]

1 hour ago, MikePJ76 said:

  There is simply no explanation for it.  

 

Vegas has one

[MikePJ76]

Just now, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I agree.  What we don't know for sure was whether it was supposed to be a handoff or a fake.  The blocking suggests it was supposed to be a handoff.  Knox's reaction suggests he was not expecting it - most likely because he forgot the play call.  But it's possible it was meant to be a bootleg - though very unlikely.

yea my first thought was it was a fake to knox and then a pitch to cook or a fake to knox and then throw it to knox in the flat.  

 

I guess it doesn't matter.

[TBBills Fan]

46 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Ding, ding, ding.

 

Finally someone with some common sense. Allen played very well. he had a couple poor throws. Any quarterback in the NFL has a bad throw now and then.

Allen was the first one to say he didn't play well enough

 

He didn't. It's okay. It's just one game. No one is perfect. 

 

But yes, he has his share of blame for this loss.  And that's ok.  

[gonzo1105]

He’s not open, Gonzalez underneath is trying to bait him to throw it to Samuel . Look at how he’s positioned he’s ready to drive for depth to undercut the throw to Samuel