Keon WTF?

[BillsFanForever19]

15 hours ago, nuklz2594 said:

Should've drafted ladd mcconkey. Ladd and Shakir wr room solved. 

 

Except for the fact that Ladd and Shakir play the same position. So you aren't going to have them on the field at the same time very often or at all. McConkey's a Slot. Which is why we didn't Draft him. 

 

10 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

One of the few times this message board was right. 

 

On top of McConkey being a Slot, serving to just take Shakir off the field and do little to nothing to replace Diggs and Davis on the Outside - thus far this season, McConkey and Coleman's stats are near identical - with a slight edge to Coleman:

 

Coleman - 21 receptions, 226 yards, and 2 TDs

 

McConkey - 21 receptions, 213 yards, and 1 TD

 

Through the first 5 games, this idea that we'd be much better off with McConkey is statistically false.

Edited 15 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[Pete]

16 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

One of the few times this message board was right. 

DK Metcalf, Brian Orako, Ngata. Mack, Ladd.....we all hated the Mike Williams pick, Donte Pick, Maybin pick....... Board had better ideas than the Bills many times

[Freak-O]

20 hours ago, Pete said:

Keon directly gave the Pats 3 points with his sloppy job of holding on the ball.  How many points did we lose by?   Pats would not have gone to Bills red zone in the first half, except Keons gift to them.

Giving the opponents three points when we are at home against a far inferior team should be like giving you little brother a small head start in a race you know you’ll still win. Blaming this loss on one person is just silly. 

[Pete]

8 hours ago, Brandon said:

 

Unfortunately,  it's not an even distribution.  Throw out that Baltimore game and he's got 13 catches for 114 yards and 1 TD in the last four games.  That's less than 9 yards per reception and he's been held to 26 yards or less in three of those four games.  

Last year Keons catch rate was just over 50%.  2025 Keon has an 8.7% drop rate.  His 50/50 catch rate is atrocious. Isnt that supposed to be Keons specialty?  Keon had the best gauntlet drill in his class.  Yet he only has 2 yards avg RAC.  Why doesnt Brady send Keon on more crossing routes?  to me, this is a no brainer.  I believe crossing routes would help Keon succeed.  Until Keon gets better at  50/50 and back shoulder catches, lets try more high percentage throws

4 minutes ago, Freak-O said:

Giving the opponents three points when we are at home against a far inferior team should be like giving you little brother a small head start in a race you know you’ll still win. Blaming this loss on one person is just silly. 

it was a careless play, forgetting basic fundamentals, early in the game, that gifted the Pats points, when they were having a hard time moving the ball.  It sucked the energy out of the stadium, neutralized a massive home advantage, and changed momentum in the game big time.

 

Keon was disclipined before the game, and Im not sure his head was n the game in the first half

[Niagara Dude]

8 hours ago, DeepPass said:

Kincaid #1, Shakir #2 Coleman #3

TE is not wide receiver

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

DK Metcalf, Brian Orako, Ngata. Mack, Ladd.....we all hated the Mike Williams pick, Donte Pick, Maybin pick....... Board had better ideas than the Bills many times

Mike Williams. I forget how far this place goes back. 

7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Except for the fact that Ladd and Shakir play the same position. So you aren't going to have them on the field at the same time very often or at all. McConkey's a Slot. Which is why we didn't Draft him. 

 

 

On top of McConkey being a Slot, serving to just take Shakir off the field and do little to nothing to replace Diggs and Davis on the Outside - thus far this season, McConkey and Coleman's stats are near identical - with a slight edge to Coleman:

 

Coleman - 21 receptions, 226 yards, and 2 TDs

 

McConkey - 21 receptions, 213 yards, and 1 TD

 

Through the first 5 games, this idea that we'd be much better off with McConkey is statistically false.

These are all good points. Mcconkey put it together for a whole season. I want to see Keon do the same thing. They are both (Shakir and LM) slots, but a good player is a good player. Bellichick did it for years. 

Edited 7 hours ago by ChronicAndKnuckles

[nedboy7]

TBD should be shut down for 48 following losses so people can gather themselves and not cry in public. 

[BVBILLS]

Should have just drafted you know who, but we like helping other certain teams instead.

[zow2]

I’m old enough to remember a big Keon fumble inside the Miami 10 yard line last season and then again Sunday night.  A lot of us in real time preferred Worthy or McConkey that night. 

[Figster]

6 hours ago, Freak-O said:

Giving the opponents three points when we are at home against a far inferior team should be like giving you little brother a small head start in a race you know you’ll still win. Blaming this loss on one person is just silly. 

Turnovers loose football games.

 

You tell em Pete

 

Diggs showed everyone what a 1 WR should look like and something Josh Allen (the best QB in the NFL) is clearly missing.

[TBBills Fan]

3 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

TBD should be shut down for 48 following losses so people can gather themselves and not cry in public. 

[Figster]

4 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

yup, lets just stamp our approval on playing sloppy football.

 

Brilliant...

[TBBills Fan]

Just now, Figster said:

yup, lets just stamp our approval on playing sloppy football.

 

Brilliant...

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit, is it? Lmao

[Brand J]

18 hours ago, rajinka said:

Honestly I think brady isn't doing any of our wr or te's any favors.  We go against weak as hell secondaries and he can't scheme guys open. We go against jags constantly that are always open. 

Therein lies the rub. Everyone wants a Bonafide #1 WR but I’m not so sure Brady’s passing design would allow that player to go off game after game. Diggs was a very real and viable target under Dorsey, but fell off a cliff once Brady ball took over. Seems like every receiver who comes into this offense is a lesser version of themselves - that includes Palmer, Samuel, and Moore, who all produced decently well elsewhere.

[Figster]

4 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit, is it? Lmao

Critique means crying? Lmao

[Brand J]

36 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I’m old enough to remember a big Keon fumble inside the Miami 10 yard line last season and then again Sunday night.  A lot of us in real time preferred Worthy or McConkey that night. 

I don’t remember a fumble, but I do remember a quick slant pass that went off his hands and Ramsey I believe it was picked it off. Would’ve been an easy TD, Keon never seemed the same after that game (and the injury).

[TBBills Fan]

Just now, Figster said:

Critique means crying? Lmao

Oh there has been a ton of critique and crying.

 

My sta o of approval was for the 48 hour shutdown, not the sloppy play...

[julian]

3 minutes ago, Brand J said:

Therein lies the rub. Everyone wants a Bonafide #1 WR but I’m not so sure Brady’s passing design would allow that player to go off game after game. Diggs was a very real and viable target under Dorsey, but fell off a cliff once Brady ball took over. Seems like every receiver who comes into this offense is a lesser version of themselves - that includes Palmer, Samuel, and Moore, who all produced decently well elsewhere.

I agree, the organization wanted a change in offensive philosophy and made the shift to Brady and phased out Diggs. As others have said, they want to play a safer, cleaner brand of offense, seemingly to minimize turnovers and also somewhat insulate a lacklustre defensive roster.

 

 Unless or until they decide to do away with this approach and allow Josh to open it up, there’s zero chance they look to spend any significant resources on a WR.

[strive_for_five_guy]

45 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I’m old enough to remember a big Keon fumble inside the Miami 10 yard line last season and then again Sunday night.  A lot of us in real time preferred Worthy or McConkey that night. 

I couldn’t believe we traded with our nemesis in the Chiefs, so that they could go up and pick the fastest player in that whole draft when WR speed was one of our main needs too.

[sven233]

Look....many of you know I have been as hard on Coleman as anyone.  I had him rated as a late 3rd or 4th round talent and I never saw his ceiling as anything higher than a WR2 in this league even if he exceeded my expectations.  And, to this point, my opinion hasn't changed.

 

I will give him some credit, though.  I have seen improvement in certain areas of his game.  When he came out last year, his footwork was very sloppy.  On a simple comeback route, he'd get to the top of his break and sometimes take 5 steps in order to stop and turn around.  In this league, where CBs are so good, quick, and fast, that is a death sentence for getting open, especially for a guy that is not very fast to begin with.  The same thing was happening on in cuts and out cuts....just too many steps to get into the break.  This year, he has significantly been better in that area.  His cuts are sharper and the footwork is better.  But, the problem is, he still isn't the most fluid guy out there and because he is a bigger guy, things still take that half a beat longer than you'd like because he isn't the most explosive guy.  And, unfortunately, that is why I still am very skeptical on him ever becoming an every down WR in this league.

 

If he wants to take it to the next level, his physicality has to be taken to another level.  While you can see him trying to do that, he just isn't there yet.  A guy like him needs to play bully ball.  He needs to be able to use his size and strength to subtly push guys off and create separation coming out of routes.  And while je is stronger this year and has shown he can do that on a couple of plays, he is still struggling to create separation consistently.  I said going into the season that if he wants to be great with his limited skill set, he needs to watch as much Anquan Boldin tape as possible.  That is the WR he needs to try and become because no matter how much he tries or may want to, he's never going to be the guy running by people and making huge plays deep down the field.  He doesn't have that physically.  So, he needs to be able to create separation at the top of routes by "cheating" and not getting caught.  He needs to be able to push off without making it obvious so he's called for it.  He's not there yet.

 

So, all that said, as you can tell, I'm still not high on the guy in terms of his ceiling.  I think he is a fine player to have down your roster, but more as a 3-5 guy and not an every down player.  He can help you in the redzone.  He can help you on slants when CBs are playing off.  And I do think he can become pretty good on stop and comeback routes if he keeps working because he does offer good size.  But as a WR1 or WR2 eventually?  I still don't see it.  I hope he proves me wrong, but I just don't see it.  We heard his name a lot in camp as making plays every day, but I think we are finding out that this was the result of him going up against our terrible defense every day and not real good NFL competition that he is facing in the regular season.