Update: Dorian Strong to IR

[PoundingDog]

They must really like Ciarlo and believed if he has tape as a call up, someone will claim him. Have to imagine him being active.

[Success]

I hate losing Strong, and hope it's just the short-term IR - but Tre, Benford & Johnson are the starters.  Obviously, depth takes a hit, but this doesn't impact things that significantly.

 

[Matt_In_NH]

Very thin at CB

[MasterStrategist]

2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Then they could have signed Zion Logue, who we're also using our last elevation on this week, and elevated Ciarlo - with all three elevations at our disposal. 

 

This isn't a shot on Ciarlo. Just a head scratching roster management decision to sign a guy who they haven't elevated once over guys like Jenkins who only has 1 elevation left or Logue who has 0 after this week. Especially with how unlucky we've been with injuries to this point. 

must be assumed, they don't think logue is worth much more than our other dt options on p/s.  plus oji returning soon

 

ciarlo brings the s/t prowess, which will be 🔑 this week especially.

 

Hairston will be back after bye, imo.  Along with hoecht and oji.  Need to squeeze out 2 wins and get some reinforcements

[MasterStrategist]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Dorian Strong is at worst our 3rd Boundary CB. An argument can be made that he's performed better than White and White was even pulled for him last week for a while. 

 

If this was just a move to fit someone on to the roster, they'd have done it Week 8 when they actually have the players available to put on the roster. Short changing us at CB for Week 5 and Week 6 before we can elevate those players, especially with Strong instead of someone like Ingram, makes absolutely no sense.

 

I firmly disagree with the idea of Strong being fully healthy on Wednesday to being IR'ed for a Neck injury is "nothing to see here" and was something done to make room for players we won't have for weeks.

Strong wasnt fully healthy Wed tho...even if he got a full practice.

 

McD even said he was working thru the neck issue during Saints game.  Same as TJ with knee.  These injuries were aggravated somehow, but not new injuries.  

 

Basically we have Ingram instead of Strong for next 2 weeks.  That's ok imo- just need Tre to step up more and stay healthy for a short stretch.  Then we get Max back as depth week 8 imo

[BullBuchanan]

2 hours ago, SoMAn said:

And adding salt to the wound is that veteran players like Rousseau and Epinesa (that ARE healthy) aren’t playing at a level that’s expected from those at their draft positions and game experience.  Not awful, but somewhat unremarkable. The top dog on defense is a 1-year FA that would surprise most if he remained healthy and active all season. 

The same Epenesa that made a critical play last week?

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

There was an article today in both the Buffalo News and Athletic about the same topic, what are the Bills going to do roster wise when they get the players back both from IR and suspension.  They talked about a couple of potential trade candidates or who they may release, but also touched on this discussion could all become irrelevant if anyone gets injured and someone else needs to go to IR.   

 

This could be a preemptive move in that regard.  In a perfect word Strong would not have got hurt until one of these other's are ready to return, but it's not a perfect word.  So this opens up Hairston's spot 

[Cash]

1 hour ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

I'd assume the jimmy ciacrlo signing is due to 1 special teams and 2 the fact he played some safety in college giving the team more position flexibility with likely having to lean on cam Lewis more at cb in case of injuries 

I remember from Hard Knocks that he played NCB in one of the preseason games. 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

10 minutes ago, Cash said:

I remember from Hard Knocks that he played NCB in one of the preseason games. 

I almost wonder if they plan to try and disguise coverages/pressures between him and rapp switching positions at times 

[BillsFanForever19]

30 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

There was an article today in both the Buffalo News and Athletic about the same topic, what are the Bills going to do roster wise when they get the players back both from IR and suspension.  They talked about a couple of potential trade candidates or who they may release, but also touched on this discussion could all become irrelevant if anyone gets injured and someone else needs to go to IR.   

 

This could be a preemptive move in that regard.  In a perfect word Strong would not have got hurt until one of these other's are ready to return, but it's not a perfect word.  So this opens up Hairston's spot 

 

It cracked me up watching people racking their brains before the season started on players to release or trade to make room for Hairston, Hoecht, and Ogunjobi. As if we were going to stay 100% healthy until Week 8.

 

As it is, we've had to sign 2 Practice Squad players for players IR'ed from the 53 at the start of the season. Even if (God willing) we don't have any more IR'ed players over the next two weeks, it's already pretty simple to just move Franklin, Ciarlo, and Ingram off for Hairston, Hoecht, and Ogunjobi.

Edited 1 hour ago by BillsFanForever19

[MJS]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

It cracked me up watching people racking their brains before the season started on players to release or trade to make room for Hairston, Hoecht, and Ogunjobi. As if we were going to stay 100% healthy until Week 8.

 

As it is, we've had to sign 2 Practice Squad for players IR'ed from the 53 at the start of the season. Even if (God willing) we don't have any more IR'ed players, it's pretty simple to just move Franklin, Ciarlo, and Ingram off for Hairston, Hoecht, and Ogunjobi.

We have a guy on the team named Franklin?

[SoMAn]

40 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

The same Epenesa that made a critical play last week?

Yes. A.J.Epenesa. #57.  The guy whose playing time has been replaced by Bosa. 
I do like Epenesa. He’s made some good plays. But nobody’s going to putting his name on the Pro Bowl ballot. . 

[BillsFanForever19]

Just now, MJS said:

We have a guy on the team named Franklin?

 

Sam Franklin Jr.

 

Special Teams player we signed to the roster to take DeWayne Carter's spot on the 53 when he was IR'ed.

[MasterStrategist]

6 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

It cracked me up watching people racking their brains before the season started on players to release or trade to make room for Hairston, Hoecht, and Ogunjobi. As if we were going to stay 100% healthy until Week 8.

 

As it is, we've had to sign 2 Practice Squad players for players IR'ed from the 53 at the start of the season. Even if (God willing) we don't have any more IR'ed players over the next two weeks, it's already pretty simple to just move Franklin, Ciarlo, and Ingram off for Hairston, Hoecht, and Ogunjobi.

Agree, but instead of Ingram (who they like as depth at alot of spots), its Codrington.  

 

I like Samuel at KR, fits him perfectly.  And Shakir at PR is a downgrade,  but not a huge deal.

[MJS]

2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Dorian Strong is at worst our 3rd Boundary CB. An argument can be made that he's performed better than White and White was even pulled for him last week for a while. 

 

If this was just a move to fit someone on to the roster, they'd have done it Week 8 when they actually have the players available to put on the roster. Short changing us at CB for Week 5 and Week 6 before we can elevate those players, especially with Strong instead of someone like Ingram, makes absolutely no sense.

 

I firmly disagree with the idea of Strong being fully healthy on Wednesday to being IR'ed for a Neck injury is "nothing to see here" and was something done to make room for players we won't have for weeks.

They said the plan was for Strong to get a couple of series to play before the game even started. White wasn't pulled because of poor play. It was just to get Strong some playing time.

 

But I agree with the point about his health. Obviously, something isn't right with him and they decided to shut him down for four weeks to get himself fully healthy. The Bills are one of the more cautious teams with injuries.

3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Sam Franklin Jr.

 

Special Teams player we signed to the roster to take DeWayne Carter's spot on the 53 when he was IR'ed.

Right. I completely forgot about him.

Edited 1 hour ago by MJS

[BillsFanForever19]

4 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Agree, but instead of Ingram (who they like as depth at alot of spots), its Codrington.  

 

I like Samuel at KR, fits him perfectly.  And Shakir at PR is a downgrade,  but not a huge deal.

 

Good point. Codrington is another major possibility. Especially if they healthy scratch him again this week.

 

Although I don't like the idea of Shakir returning Punts as we had last week. He's too important to our Offense to risk back there. 

 

But it just goes to show that as I said before the year, the odds that we were going to be 100% healthy on the 53 and we'd have to make really difficult decisions to fit those guys on was somewhere between slim and none. Unfortunately for us, it's going to be really easy to fit those 3 guys on.

Edited 1 hour ago by BillsFanForever19

[Boatdrinks]

2 hours ago, WickedGame said:

Nothing to see here. Beane is just using IR like a tool. We have several players returning from suspension and injury. This frees up a roster spot without having to cut someone. Lets us kick the can down the road. We’ll need to make some choices in a few weeks, but I think we’ll see young players moved to IR with mysterious injuries rather thank making cuts. Keeps them in the family so they can “recover” for next year. 

I think you’re onto something here. The suspended players will be back on the roster soon. They’re trying to hang onto their guys vs making cuts. Tough choices I’m sure , but better than releasing a guy you think may get picked up. 

[GolfandBills]

2 hours ago, PoundingDog said:

They must really like Ciarlo and believed if he has tape as a call up, someone will claim him. Have to imagine him being active.

We can only hope cause they have nothing at linebacker 

[billsfan89]

2 hours ago, Success said:

I hate losing Strong, and hope it's just the short-term IR - but Tre, Benford & Johnson are the starters.  Obviously, depth takes a hit, but this doesn't impact things that significantly.

 

Ingram isn’t that bad for a CB 4/5. Shows how depth is improtant. 

[Sierra Foothills]

4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

This isn't a shot on Ciarlo. Just a head scratching roster management decision to sign a guy who they haven't elevated once over guys like Jenkins who only has 1 elevation left or Logue who has 0 after this week. Especially with how unlucky we've been with injuries to this point. 

 

4 hours ago, Cotton Fitzsimmons said:

McBeane seems to like the cut of Ciarlo’s jib, judging from what we saw in the preseason and Hard Knocks.

 

3 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

Maybe a team was trying to claim him?

 

3 hours ago, Robert Paulson said:

Ciarlo takes some of Joe A's special teams reps and Joe A gets a few series at LB to spell the vetetans.

 

3 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

I'd assume the jimmy ciacrlo signing is due to 1 special teams and 2 the fact he played some safety in college giving the team more position flexibility with likely having to lean on cam Lewis more at cb in case of injuries 

 

As @Robert Paulson touches on, Ciarlo could take some of Buffalo Joe's special teams snaps which in a longshot, reverse trickle-down way might mean that we see more of Buffalo Joe in the defense.

 

Personally I'd be all for him getting more opportunities.

 

3 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

One thought i've had is that maybe McDermott pushes them too hard in Practice during the week. Ironically, that thought popped up during an inteview with Ed Oliver after the practice he got hurt in, when he said:

 

"Yeah, full pads on a Wednesday after, you know, after a 60 minute game where we had to play all 60 minutes. Hey, it's a little challenging. It's trying mentally, you know, to get yourself back right. And you're still kind of hurting. I know a lot of guys on the team are still hurting. And still, you put on the full pads and you go out there and compete because that's who we are."

 

The other side of that though, if he pushes the team harder in practice than a lot of teams, is if that is the case - is perhaps it's part of the reason we've been so successful the past few years. So it might be a double edged sword. Again, if that is the case. 

 

This is super interesting. Somehow I missed Ed's comments. Thanks.