T.E. Posted September 29 Posted September 29 23 minutes ago, warrior9 said: Because it's "Most Valuable Player" 12 QB's could have won a SB with that team last year. If you take Hurts off that team this year, they still make the playoffs and potentially go deep with quite a few QBs. The same can not be said for Buffalo, KC, etc Hurts had zero second-half completions yesterday, and Philly still beat an undefeated team on the road. 2 1 Quote
strive_for_five_guy Posted September 29 Posted September 29 34 minutes ago, warrior9 said: Because it's "Most Valuable Player" 12 QB's could have won a SB with that team last year. If you take Hurts off that team this year, they still make the playoffs and potentially go deep with quite a few QBs. The same can not be said for Buffalo, KC, etc I mean, two years ago Brock Purdy was right near the top of the odds w CMC and potentially could have won it, if he hadn’t laid that egg against the Ravens. If Brock Purdy can get strong consideration for MVP, Jalen Hurts and his tush push make for a live bet too. Quote
Dillenger4 Posted September 29 Posted September 29 What about Jax Dart? Where is he on this list? Quote
4merper4mer Posted September 29 Posted September 29 34 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Lawrence hasn't turned a corner lol. Have you actually watched the Jags? He isn't terrible but he is nowhere near the prospect they said he would be coming out and it's year 5 for him Did I say he was at the prospect level he was touted to be? He’s helped that team grit our 3 wins. Last year he would have folded his tent. All I said was that at some point he will be on the MVP odds board. He will probably be toward or at the bottom but he is playing better than some of the guys currently on it. Quote
DapperCam Posted September 29 Posted September 29 If you think KC is back in business, then Mahomes and Allen will probably be battling each other for the MVP. But the KC offense looked very discombobulated the first 3 weeks, and I'm not sure if the Ravens defense doesn't just suck now. 1 Quote
BuffaloBaumer Posted September 29 Posted September 29 If Steelers stay healthy, I think Baltimore misses the playoffs. Bills, Chiefs, Chargers fighting for the Super Bowl spot. I have zero doubt the MVP race comes down to Mahomes and Allen, which will also be the AFC Championship again. Quote
Sweats Posted September 29 Posted September 29 LJ down 17 points with 2 quarters left to play and he quits on his team.........JA down 15 points with 5 minutes left in the game and he says, "hold my beer" and wins it. LJ should be nowhere near the same list or conversation as our man Allen. An MVP rises to the occasion and LJ ain't it. 1 1 1 2 Quote
hondo in seattle Posted September 29 Posted September 29 2 hours ago, warrior9 said: What are you talking about? Because Josh has the best collective average of all of the above. You explained why he is in the front by thinking what you were asking is ground breaking and game changing. Context, hype, wins, stats, and MANY considerations (such as the ones you listed) and he has the best collective avg of all of them in the league. Don't misunderstand... I think Josh deserves to be the MVP frontrunner. I also think he should have won MVP before last year. If there were a stat that could truly evaluate how valuable a player is to his team, Josh would score high. But there isn't - despite some claims from analytic sites that there is. It's cool that the NFL has an MVP award but the process for picking a winner is inevitably flawed. Quote
NewEra Posted September 29 Posted September 29 2 hours ago, T.E. said: Hurts had zero second-half completions yesterday, and Philly still beat an undefeated team on the road. I didn’t see that until now….. that’s absolutely insane Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted September 29 Posted September 29 3 hours ago, BillytheKid said: Might as well keep a thread going, even though it is early for the MVP race after a quarter of the season basically done now, Allen is the front runner and took a bigger lead over everyone after yesterday based on the betting odds. I can update it each week as the year goes on. Assuming Allen stays in it. Josh Allen -105 Just Herbert +600 Patrick Mahomes +850 Lamar Jackson +900 Jordan Love +1000 Matthew Stafford +1600 also as an aside, James Cook is listed in 6th place for offensive player of the year at +1,600 I find it hard to keep Lamar that high after a 1-3 start. I get that its not all his fault, and his stats are strong as an individual. But in all 3 losses, he has missed critical passes to wide open guys or failed to make plays that impacted the outcome of those games. I would honestly put James Cook in the MVP race and above Lamar right now even though a RB has very slim shot at winning it over a QB on any given season. But looking around the league, he is playing better and impacting his team more than many of the guys on the MVP list right now. Herbert is the reason the Chargers lost Sunday to a Giants team starting a rookie QB that also lost their best offensive weapon for the season. I don't think he should be 2nd in the race right now. They had a great opportunity to keep a 2 game lead on KC and blew it to a team they had no business losing too and in large part because of Herbert. 1 Quote
PoundingDog Posted September 29 Posted September 29 I admit I never caught on the MVP thing just like last year, the year before last year, and so on... Josh is likely to have the MVP cause in his contract, but I care much more on him winning a Superbowl MVP. Let's face it --- if the Bills are to win a superbowl, short of James Cook running for 200 yards and having 3 TDs, they will give it to Josh Allen. 3 Quote
Buffalo03 Posted September 30 Posted September 30 6 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Did I say he was at the prospect level he was touted to be? He’s helped that team grit our 3 wins. Last year he would have folded his tent. All I said was that at some point he will be on the MVP odds board. He will probably be toward or at the bottom but he is playing better than some of the guys currently on it. He's not an MVP candidate. Or at least he shouldn't be. He is nowhere near that kind of player Quote
4merper4mer Posted September 30 Posted September 30 20 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: He's not an MVP candidate. Or at least he shouldn't be. He is nowhere near that kind of player For the third and final time, all I said is that he will make an appearance on the odds board at some point during the season. Is Matthew Stafford truly an MVP contender? He is on the board at the start of this thread. Quote
NeverOutNick Posted September 30 Posted September 30 9 hours ago, H2o said: No, he's still as meh and overpaid as ever. He has a 58.3% completion percentage right now. 💯 he’s not a good QB. He plays a good half once in a while and has a plethora of weapons but he and the Jags are exactly that…jags 5 hours ago, wjag said: Baker Mayfield has entered the chat. He’s playing great football this year and if he didn’t have a hurt throwing arm I think they win last week but the dude when healthy is amazing with 2 minutes left and the game on the line. I may be in the minority but he’s a top 6 QB in this league Quote
4merper4mer Posted September 30 Posted September 30 6 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said: 💯 he’s not a good QB. He plays a good half once in a while and has a plethora of weapons but he and the Jags are exactly that…jags The Jags throttled the 49ers all day yesterday. By far the better team. Maybe the 49ers just stink. That’s possible I suppose but I don’t think that’s why. Quote
Buffalo Ballin Posted September 30 Posted September 30 *knocks on wood* As long as Josh Alien is healthy and we keep winning, this is his. Quote
NeverOutNick Posted September 30 Posted September 30 30 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: The Jags throttled the 49ers all day yesterday. By far the better team. Maybe the 49ers just stink. That’s possible I suppose but I don’t think that’s why. The panthers “throttled” the falcons last week and got destroyed by the patriots this week. The Jags may be better coached this year but I need to see it for a full season from Lawrence. He’s all hype imo and after 4 years, the luster of being the next can’t miss prospect has wore off. He’s way too inconsistent Quote
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