Big Turk Posted September 15 Author Posted September 15 4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I don't know if yesterday's specific injury proves he's injury prone but I think Burrow's injuries in the past has a lot to do with him holding the ball too long. He even said on 3rd downs he's willing to take the sack if it gives him a second more to see if someone can break open because they're going to punt either way. Sound reasoning but you're going to take more hits. Not sound when your body clearly isn't up to taking that type of beating. His mouth and brain is trying to write checks his body has insufficient funds to cash. 2 Quote
dave mcbride Posted September 15 Posted September 15 Just now, Big Turk said: I mean, I just wonder if Allen had this happen, how many games would he miss? I would bet the under. Turf toe requiring surgery would result in probably the same amount of lost time for Allen. 2 6 Quote
Big Turk Posted September 15 Author Posted September 15 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Turf toe requiring surgery would result in probably the same amount of lost time for Allen. I think Allen would do everything to not get the surgery is what I am saying and gut it out. Look at him with a partially torn UCL versus Brock Purdy. Quote
thenorthremembers Posted September 15 Posted September 15 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: I think Allen would do everything to not get the surgery is what I am saying and gut it out. Look at him with a partially torn UCL versus Brock Purdy. Hopefully we never have to find out. Quote
transient Posted September 15 Posted September 15 (edited) 8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Huh? David Carr wasn't good. Burrow is elite. I acknowledged that Burrow has more talent and more talent around him on offense. My point is that he's getting beat up like David Carr did in Houston. Edited September 15 by transient 1 1 Quote
dave mcbride Posted September 15 Posted September 15 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Big Turk said: I think Allen would do everything to not get the surgery is what I am saying and gut it out. Look at him with a partially torn UCL versus Brock Purdy. ? - Purdy had a complete tear of his UCL. Allen didn't. Both of his UCL injuries were sprains. If Allen had a complete UCL tear, he would have missed a season. Also, playing with a torn ligament in a toe would make Allen a pretty immobile QB. That's not his game, and I would anticipate the Bills hoping for the best with Trubisky and getting Allen back fully healthy for the final 3-4 games and playoffs. Edited September 15 by dave mcbride 2 Quote
Albany,n.y. Posted September 15 Posted September 15 24 minutes ago, Big Turk said: I think Allen would do everything to not get the surgery is what I am saying and gut it out. Look at him with a partially torn UCL versus Brock Purdy. Allen would have had his toe cut off & then went back in the game😄. 1 Quote
Big Turk Posted September 15 Author Posted September 15 6 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Allen would have had his toe cut off & then went back in the game😄. I mean Ronnie Lott cut off a finger tip. 3 Quote
Low Positive Posted September 15 Posted September 15 48 minutes ago, transient said: I acknowledged that Burrow has more talent and more talent around him on offense. My point is that he's getting beat up like David Carr did in Houston. The better comparison is Andrew Luck. Quote
stevewin Posted September 15 Posted September 15 2 hours ago, transient said: I think you could make a compelling argument that the cumulative pounding that Burrow has taken thus far in his career exceeds what Allen has taken, despite Allen playing a much more physical style. Burrow hangs in to the last second and gets blasted a lot, and he has to because of his line play. Yesterday may have been a routine tackle, but at 28 years old, he's probably absorbed the abuse that someone in their mid 30s at the position would have taken, so he's probably more likely to get injured as a result at this point. Another way to look at it is Josh and Mahomes have avoided more sacks because of their athleticism and mobility. Have never understood why for Burrow everybody always says oh he gets sacked so much bc of bad OL, but there never seems to be any responsibility put on him for not being good at avoiding sacks. Josh was playing with poor OL and zero weapons his first years and no one was talking about how much he gets sacked, because he did things to avoid them 1 Quote
harryS Posted September 15 Posted September 15 3 months, eh? I wonder if he's going to rush back for the Bills game on Dec 7th? Quote
dorquemada Posted September 15 Posted September 15 He's just too slight to take the pounding. Watching the play he got injured his legs look like Tre's, just sticks with little tiny ankles. Obviously has skills but was never going to last with that build 1 Quote
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 15 Posted September 15 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Huh? David Carr wasn't good. Burrow is elite. That's why he wore mascara. Knew the tacklers would feel sorry for him, and ease up on the hits. 😁 Quote
Pete Posted September 15 Posted September 15 20 hours ago, aristocrat said: Torn ligaments and only out weeks? Can someone explain this? Turf Toe is no joke. Thats ruined some players 2 Quote
dave mcbride Posted September 15 Posted September 15 1 hour ago, stevewin said: Another way to look at it is Josh and Mahomes have avoided more sacks because of their athleticism and mobility. Have never understood why for Burrow everybody always says oh he gets sacked so much bc of bad OL, but there never seems to be any responsibility put on him for not being good at avoiding sacks. Josh was playing with poor OL and zero weapons his first years and no one was talking about how much he gets sacked, because he did things to avoid them Allen got sacked a ton in his first two years: 8 and 7.6 percent, respectively -- https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm. He became adept at avoiding sacks starting in year three, and he's truly elite at it now. Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 15 Posted September 15 3 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Huh? David Carr wasn't good. Burrow is elite. Disagree. I think he is in the tier below elite and his weapons elevate him. The Jalen Hurts level. He doesn't elevate those around him. Watch the numbers Browning puts up in the next few weeks. They will be around what Burrow typically does. A few more INTs, perhaps. But they won't struggle on offense without Burrow too much. 4 Quote
stevewin Posted September 15 Posted September 15 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: Allen got sacked a ton in his first two years: 8 and 7.6 percent, respectively -- https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm. He became adept at avoiding sacks starting in year three, and he's truly elite at it now. Even in the first years it likely would have been a lot more if it wasn't for his athleticism and escapability. The offensive talent on those teams was not good to say the least Quote
WinterSoldier17 Posted September 15 Posted September 15 Not a good weekend for QB’s: Joe Burrow (turf toe), JJ McCarthy (high ankle sprain), and Jayden Daniels (sprained knee). Ooof. Quote
Doc Brown Posted September 15 Posted September 15 25 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Disagree. I think he is in the tier below elite and his weapons elevate him. The Jalen Hurts level. He doesn't elevate those around him. Watch the numbers Browning puts up in the next few weeks. They will be around what Burrow typically does. A few more INTs, perhaps. But they won't struggle on offense without Burrow too much. Burrow's elite man. If you don't think he's a top 5 QB I don't know what to tell you. 2 1 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 15 Posted September 15 22 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Burrow's elite man. If you don't think he's a top 5 QB I don't know what to tell you. Agree to disagree. IMO he's surrounded by talent that elevates him. And no, I don't have him in my Top 5. 4 Quote
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