Josh's pass to Palmer that (more or less) won the game

[Allen2Moulds]

10 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

We should make a list. It's probably deserves it's own thread. But to start

 

• Robert Foster against the Jags in 2018
• Jake Kumerow in Denver in 2020
• Diggs in Detroit in 2023
• Palmer

Too many for me to keep track, but I like your list.  The Robert Foster one, is still the most insane throw I've ever seen.  It looks like a house collapsed onto Josh, but he was still able to throw it 50-60 yards in the air.

[JDubya76]

12 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

We should make a list. It's probably deserves it's own thread. But to start

 

• Robert Foster against the Jags in 2018
• Jake Kumerow in Denver in 2020
• Diggs in Detroit in 2023
• Palmer

Diggs in the Arizona game to take the lead in Arizona.

Edited September 9 by JDubya76

[twoandfourteen]

5 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

 

Bottom five? Tough crowd.

 

Ok. Let’s do this. Where would any one of Coleman/Shakir/Palmer (CSP) rank on other AFC rosters:

 

MIA — Hill/Waddle. CSP - #3

NYJ — Wilson. CSP - #2

NE — Diggs/Hollins. CSP - #1

 

CIN — Chase/Higgins. CSP - #3

PIT — Metcalf. CSP - #2

BAL — Flowers/Hopkins. CSP - #2/#3

CLE — Jeudy/Tillman. CSP - (even)

 

KC — Rice/Worthy. CSP - #2/#3

LA — McConkey/Johnston.  CSP - #2/#3

LV — Myers/Tucker. CSP - #1/#2

DEN — Sutton/Franklin/Mims. CSP - #2/#3

 

JAX — Thomas/Hunter/Brown. CSP - #2/#3

IND — Pittman/Downs/Mitchell. CSP - #3/#4

HOU — Collins/Kirk/Dell. CSP - #3/#4

TEN — Ridley. CSP - #2

 

Maybe I’ll get around to the NFC later on, but just in the AFC alone — Beane’s WR room easily ranks in the bottom 1/3rd. The only team the Bills are clearly ahead of is the Patriots, which ironically is starting two former Bills “star” WRs. 

 

 

 

[strive_for_five_guy]

2 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Palmer is really good BTW,  we have a lethal trio at WR plus Knox Kincaid and Cook/Ty

What was Palmer doing on some of the passes earlier in the game though?  There was one he just stood there and we were very lucky the Ravens guy didn’t pick it off. 

 

 

 

 

 

[skibum]

2 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Palmer is really good BTW,  we have a lethal trio at WR plus Knox Kincaid and Cook/Ty

Yes, while it’s still not an A+ WR group on paper (yet), Josh has a wealth of good targets all around. And great protection to boot.

[Thrivefourfive]

Josh is throwing the ball beautiful. We talked about it on Hard Knocks. The Ty Johnson pass (drop) and the Palmer pass. So glad Palmer didn’t screw the pooch too. Would love to see what he actually saw with his own eyes on that. Tough angle. Snagged that puppy.

[4merper4mer]

3 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

I can think of only two other AFC QBs who make that throw worth trying and Lamar, great as he may be, is not one of them.

Tua and who?

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Coleman, Shakir, Palmer is absolutely not a “lethal” trio. 

 

It’s in the bottom five of the NFL. Not one of those guys would be a #1 on any other team in the league. On most teams, none of them would even be a #2. 

 

They are nice players and fun to watch here in Buffalo because of 17. But until one of them has a true “breakout” the reality is that they are all JAGs at this point. 

 

You can include Knox and Kincaid as well — Beane should be fired for that Knox contract. A primarily blocking TE is the third-highest cap hit on the team? Absurd.

 

Cook had one very good season, but RBs are a dime-a-dozen. Ty Johnson is an excellent niche player on 3rd downs, but doesn’t give you much else. 

 

And yet this team is one of the highest scoring teams in the NFL year after year

[twoandfourteen]

11 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

And yet this team is one of the highest scoring teams in the NFL year after year

 

Sure helps to have arguably the best QB to ever take an NFL snap and a clown car division to juice those numbers every year. 

 

Now imagine him on a roster with a true elite superstar WR riding shotgun. It would be the greatest QB/WR duo in NFL history. 

 

This team needed a clutch reception two years in a row in the playoffs and in both instances, the QB was let down by "Beane’s Busts". 

[NoSaint]

3 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Palmer is really good BTW,  we have a lethal trio at WR plus Knox Kincaid and Cook/Ty

Palmer is like acceptably decent. You don’t want to know what Josh would do with really good. It’d be moss-Brady 23 TD season level production

[Big Turk]

7 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Sure helps to have arguably the best QB to ever take an NFL snap and a clown car division to juice those numbers every year. 

 

Now imagine him on a roster with a true elite superstar WR riding shotgun. It would be the greatest QB/WR duo in NFL history. 

 

This team needed a clutch reception two years in a row in the playoffs and in both instances, the QB was let down by "Beane’s Busts". 

 

Wasn't aware the Chiefs, Lions, 49ers, Jaguars, Cardinals, Seahawks or Titans were in the division who they also hung 30+ on and 3 of those 40+ on.  I mean, you have a coach so desperate to not give Allen the ball back he tries an onside kick with 12+ minutes left in the 4th quarter.

Edited September 9 by Big Turk

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Coleman, Shakir, Palmer is absolutely not a “lethal” trio. 

 

It’s in the bottom five of the NFL. Not one of those guys would be a #1 on any other team in the league. On most teams, none of them would even be a #2. 

 

They are nice players and fun to watch here in Buffalo because of 17. But until one of them has a true “breakout” the reality is that they are all JAGs at this point....

 

I disagree.  Even Moore and Curtis Samuel are borderline #2s.  Each has started about half their NFL games.

 

I agree that Shakir, Palmer, and Coleman aren't #1s.  But they would all be starters on most other teams.  

[That's No Moon]

1 hour ago, Low Positive said:

We should make a list. It's probably deserves it's own thread. But to start

 

• Robert Foster against the Jags in 2018
• Jake Kumerow in Denver in 2020
• Diggs in Detroit in 2023
• Palmer

That one over the LB against Frisco a couple years back.

33 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

You don’t want to know what Josh would do with really good.

I'm pretty sure I do.

[twoandfourteen]

1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I disagree.  Even Moore and Curtis Samuel are borderline #2s.  Each has started about half their NFL games.

 

I agree that Shakir, Palmer, and Coleman aren't #1s.  But they would all be starters on most other teams.  

 

I don’t know. If you actually go through rosters team-by-team, you start to realize just how weak overall the Bills skill positions are relative to the rest of the league. I did the AFC earlier today and it’s eye-opening. 

 

Allen really is a supernatural force out there when you look at the scraps Beane has given him to work with. 

 

The sad part is that this approach to “juice the defense” and avoid a big, stud WR contract would work wonders if any of the defensive draft picks or FA acquisitions actually became true impact players. Ed Oliver has had his moments, for sure. But outside of that, none of the recent early draft picks or big money signings have amounted to much more than “good, but replaceable” players. 

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

Wasn't aware the Chiefs, Lions, 49ers, Jaguars, Cardinals, Seahawks or Titans were in the division who they also hung 30+ on and 3 of those 40+ on.  I mean, you have a coach so desperate to not give Allen the ball back he tries an onside kick with 12+ minutes left in the 4th quarter.

 

The Jaguars, Seahawks, and Titans basically are the same thing as the Dolphins, Jets, and Patriots. I don’t think you’re really helping your argument here. 

Edited September 9 by twoandfourteen

[Fan in Chicago]

8 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

I don’t know. If you actually go through rosters team-by-team, you start to realize just how weak overall the Bills skill positions are relative to the rest of the league. I did the AFC earlier today and it’s eye-opening. 

 

Allen really is a supernatural force out there when you look at the scraps Beane has given him to work with. 

 

The sad part is that this approach to “juice the defense” and avoid a big, stud WR contract would work wonders if any of the defensive draft picks or FA acquisitions actually became true impact players. Ed Oliver has had his moments, for sure. But outside of that, none of the recent early draft picks or big money signings have amounted to much more than “good, but replaceable” players. 

 

The Jaguars, Seahawks, and Titans basically are the same thing as the Dolphins, Jets, and Patriots. I don’t think you’re really helping your argument here. 

Any reason why you hijacked this thread when there are several others to comment on how good/poor our WRs are ? Making a comment or two is fine but you are continuing to discuss a topic that has little to do with the original post

[twoandfourteen]

Just now, Fan in Chicago said:

Any reason why you hijacked this thread when there are several others to comment on how good/poor our WRs are ? Making a comment or two is fine but you are continuing to discuss a topic that has little to do with the original post

 

I took issue with a comment in the thread and the discussion evolved from there. I enjoy the engagement and testing my opinions against ones different from my own. 

 

That said, I do see your point and agree with you. I will show myself out. 

[JerseyBills]

3 hours ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Coleman, Shakir, Palmer is absolutely not a “lethal” trio. 

 

It’s in the bottom five of the NFL. Not one of those guys would be a #1 on any other team in the league. On most teams, none of them would even be a #2. 

 

They are nice players and fun to watch here in Buffalo because of 17. But until one of them has a true “breakout” the reality is that they are all JAGs at this point. 

 

You can include Knox and Kincaid as well — Beane should be fired for that Knox contract. A primarily blocking TE is the third-highest cap hit on the team? Absurd.

 

Cook had one very good season, but RBs are a dime-a-dozen. Ty Johnson is an excellent niche player on 3rd downs, but doesn’t give you much else. 

it's only 1 game but 19/ 235 / 1 combined 

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

I don’t know. If you actually go through rosters team-by-team, you start to realize just how weak overall the Bills skill positions are relative to the rest of the league. I did the AFC earlier today and it’s eye-opening. 

 

Allen really is a supernatural force out there when you look at the scraps Beane has given him to work with. 

 

The sad part is that this approach to “juice the defense” and avoid a big, stud WR contract would work wonders if any of the defensive draft picks or FA acquisitions actually became true impact players. Ed Oliver has had his moments, for sure. But outside of that, none of the recent early draft picks or big money signings have amounted to much more than “good, but replaceable” players. 

 

The Jaguars, Seahawks, and Titans basically are the same thing as the Dolphins, Jets, and Patriots. I don’t think you’re really helping your argument here. 

 

And the Lions and Chiefs are who exactly?

[Billsatlastin2018]

7 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Palmer is really good BTW,  we have a lethal trio at WR plus Knox Kincaid and Cook/Ty

These guys don’t have to be Chase, Lamb, St. Brown or Nacua.

 

They are NOT!

 

But, they are more than decent and with the Unicorn at the helm, they don’t need to be. Just run decent routes and catch many, many ***** balls & TDs!

[NewEra]

8 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Palmer is really good BTW,  we have a lethal trio at WR plus Knox Kincaid and Cook/Ty

You should make a thread about it!

 

#wewillalwaysrememberthethread