Josh's pass to Palmer that (more or less) won the game

[Low Positive]

Everyone keeps watching Henry runs to see what went wrong, but I would like to take a look at a positive.

 

I know a lot less than a lot of posters here about the x's and o's of football, but I invested in NFL+ Premium to watch all-22 film to see if I can learn a bit more. I just keep watching the pass to Palmer that put the Bills into FG range from both angles to see what I can get out of it. At the time, the Ravens were playing prevent with 4 CBs and 2 Safeties. The Bills put a lot of mess in the middle of the field to draw the LBs, two of the CBs, and Starks the FS away from the action part of the play. Knox has gone in motion so he was on the same side of the field as Palmer. What happened after the snap is that Knox and Palmer ran what I think is called a high-low concept where they were stacked about 5 yards away from each other (with Knox short). What Josh did was to pump fake to Knox, drawing CB Awuzie up and getting Jaire Alexander to turn his hips. Then Palmer went deeper and got in between the off-balance Alexander and Hamilton who was playing deep and had 5 yards of open field between them. That pump fake really made the play work. Palmer also ran one heck of a route.

 

Tell me if I'm completely wrong on all of this.

[zow2]

The field level view of that pass from behind Josh showed what a perfect pass that was... the accuracy to put that in the window over the Ravens guy, into that tight space to Palmer was phenomenal.  MVP throw.

 

 

 

[Chandler#81]

 

[buffalo2218]

The weird thing is, for whatever reason, that throw isn't shown in the highlights from nfl.com

[nucci]

I've rewatched that pass over 20 times. 

[JerseyBills]

Palmer is really good BTW,  we have a lethal trio at WR plus Knox Kincaid and Cook/Ty

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, nucci said:

I've rewatched that pass over 20 times. 

The first five times I didn't notice the pump fake. That got Alexander to look back at Josh and get all twisted. 

[Success]

3 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

The weird thing is, for whatever reason, that throw isn't shown in the highlights from nfl.com

 

I noticed that.  It was so strange - they showed about 3-4 plays that were almost inconsequential (like Cook picking up 4 yards), but didn't show the pass to Palmer, which was an absolutely huge play in that comeback.

 

[Simon]

11 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Everyone keeps watching Henry runs to see what went wrong, but I would like to take a look at a positive.

 

I know a lot less than a lot of posters here about the x's and o's of football, but I invested in NFL+ Premium to watch all-22 film to see if I can learn a bit more. I just keep watching the pass to Palmer that put the Bills into FG range from both angles to see what I can get out of it. At the time, the Ravens were playing prevent with 4 CBs and 2 Safeties. The Bills put a lot of mess in the middle of the field to draw the LBs, two of the CBs, and Starks the FS away from the action part of the play. Knox has gone in motion so he was on the same side of the field as Palmer. What happened after the snap is that Knox and Palmer ran what I think is called a high-low concept where they were stacked about 5 yards away from each other (with Knox short). What Josh did was to pump fake to Knox, drawing CB Awuzie up and getting Jaire Alexander to turn his hips. Then Palmer went deeper and got in between the off-balance Alexander and Hamilton who was playing deep and had 5 yards of open field between them. That pump fake really made the play work. Palmer also ran one heck of a route.

 

Tell me if I'm completely wrong on all of this.

 

Allen knew exactly what he was looking for before the ball was snapped.

I don't think they were in prevent; I think they were actually running man on that down and Allen went right after Jaire Alexander because he knew that was who was being served for dinner that night.

[starrymessenger]

I can think of only two other AFC QBs who make that throw worth trying and Lamar, great as he may be, is not one of them.

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Everyone keeps watching Henry runs to see what went wrong, but I would like to take a look at a positive.

 

I know a lot less than a lot of posters here about the x's and o's of football, but I invested in NFL+ Premium to watch all-22 film to see if I can learn a bit more. I just keep watching the pass to Palmer that put the Bills into FG range from both angles to see what I can get out of it. At the time, the Ravens were playing prevent with 4 CBs and 2 Safeties. The Bills put a lot of mess in the middle of the field to draw the LBs, two of the CBs, and Starks the FS away from the action part of the play. Knox has gone in motion so he was on the same side of the field as Palmer. What happened after the snap is that Knox and Palmer ran what I think is called a high-low concept where they were stacked about 5 yards away from each other (with Knox short). What Josh did was to pump fake to Knox, drawing CB Awuzie up and getting Jaire Alexander to turn his hips. Then Palmer went deeper and got in between the off-balance Alexander and Hamilton who was playing deep and had 5 yards of open field between them. That pump fake really made the play work. Palmer also ran one heck of a route.

 

Tell me if I'm completely wrong on all of this.

i think ravens are in some kind of cover1 man look here tbh

i dunno what exactly to call the concept, kind of a snag playside that allen motions knox into out of the trips look originally

 

might be because he saw hamilton shaded toward that side and deep but i dunno the rules they have

 

palmer does a great job of eating up the space and the throw leads him away from coverage

 

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, starrymessenger said:

I can think of only two other AFC QBs who make that throw worth trying and Lamar, great as he may be, is not one of them.

Burrow and Mahomes? I think Justin Herbert has the arm to get it there, but not the savvy to pump fake to get Alexander to look back and turn his hips.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Allen knew exactly what he was looking for before the ball was snapped.

I don't think they were in prevent; I think they were actually running man on that down and Allen went right after Jaire Alexander because he knew that was who was being served for dinner that night.

Ravens fans have been saying awuzie looked pretty good but I thought him and Alexander were both varying degrees of bad.  For a team so meticulously well built everywhere else I just don’t understand why they keep trying to plug in washed up veterans on 1 year deals at outside cb 

[chris heff]

14 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Allen knew exactly what he was looking for before the ball was snapped.

I don't think they were in prevent; I think they were actually running man on that down and Allen went right after Jaire Alexander because he knew that was who was being served for dinner that night.

When Knox goes in motion, Ravens show man. Josh knows exactly where he is going. That pass was perfect and it had to be.

Edited 4 hours ago by chris heff

[starrymessenger]

13 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Burrow and Mahomes? I think Justin Herbert has the arm to get it there, but not the savvy to pump fake to get Alexander to look back and turn his hips.

Yeah. I saw Mahomes do something similar just the other day in the KC loss. Don't think there was a pump fake but I don't doubt for a minute that he would be capable of it. Burrow might be the best pure passer. It's not his legs/mobility that generally puts him in the same class as the other two indisputably elite QBs. 
Lamar is elite too and has shown great improvement as a passer but he is not in the same league as those guys as far as that specific attribute is concerned imo. I don't see him routinely making that throw in that way.

Im not sure Herbert reliably makes that throw either. He has the arm of course but a noted issue is the trouble he has in generating the right arc on his throws to permit receivers to run under it. His ball is typically flatter than what you would want in a situation like Josh faced. With Herbert I think its a lack of touch that can result in blown timing when the placement has to be perfect.

[Low Positive]

I just watched it a few more times, staring at Palmer instead of Josh. Palmer faked inside, and Alexander completely bit. It was like a crossover dribble in basketball, where Palmer got Jaire running in the wrong direction.

[JP51]

50 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Everyone keeps watching Henry runs to see what went wrong, but I would like to take a look at a positive.

 

I know a lot less than a lot of posters here about the x's and o's of football, but I invested in NFL+ Premium to watch all-22 film to see if I can learn a bit more. I just keep watching the pass to Palmer that put the Bills into FG range from both angles to see what I can get out of it. At the time, the Ravens were playing prevent with 4 CBs and 2 Safeties. The Bills put a lot of mess in the middle of the field to draw the LBs, two of the CBs, and Starks the FS away from the action part of the play. Knox has gone in motion so he was on the same side of the field as Palmer. What happened after the snap is that Knox and Palmer ran what I think is called a high-low concept where they were stacked about 5 yards away from each other (with Knox short). What Josh did was to pump fake to Knox, drawing CB Awuzie up and getting Jaire Alexander to turn his hips. Then Palmer went deeper and got in between the off-balance Alexander and Hamilton who was playing deep and had 5 yards of open field between them. That pump fake really made the play work. Palmer also ran one heck of a route.

 

Tell me if I'm completely wrong on all of this.

No actually it was a brilliant throw by an all world QB not many of them make that throw... Palmer made an excellent catch on that...  The offense itself it way greater than the sum of its parts simply because we have Allen... they are the reason we will contend... and that is very positive!

 

I think that isnt the issue... I think Henry exposed this defense for what it is... wholly unprepared to play a physical game,  poor tackling, little gap disruption and a fire drill in the secondary...  if the Ravens were beating us with throws like that in tight windows I think everyone would be a little less down on the defense.. but that wasnt the case... like literally Lamar got to the line of scrimmage and his call was "Hey Defensive people if thats what you call your self... I am gonna go on hut 2 hand the ball to Henry and he is gonna take it to the 2 gap and bitc% slap you all the way to the end zone.... Hut 2 and off he went...  all game...  quite honestly it was an embarrassment to anyone who ever actually held employment in the entire history of employment and gets paid to work...  and Babich needs to go... That said... I don't know where they got it from... when it counted the defense showed up.. kudos to them for that... but the bottom line is unless the defense improves somebody better make sure 17s cape is clean... cause he is gonna need to wear it EVERY game... 

[Big Turk]

51 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Allen knew exactly what he was looking for before the ball was snapped.

I don't think they were in prevent; I think they were actually running man on that down and Allen went right after Jaire Alexander because he knew that was who was being served for dinner that night.

 

That was a high low-concept the Bills ran on them---same one they ran with Davis and Beasley/Shakir a lot...

 

Orlovsky breaks that play down really well, which I shared in this thread 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Big Turk

[dorquemada]

One of the most technically magnificent passes I've ever seen in my bagillion years of watching football.  Wife and I rewatched the last 5 minutes twice last night.

[Low Positive]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

That was a high low-concept the Bills ran on them---same one they ran with Davis and Beasley/Shakir a lot...

 

Orlovsky breaks that play down really well, which I shared in this thread 

 

 

Thanks for that. I saw it yesterday when you posted it but I forgot it and tried to break it all down myself. I just noticed that Josh went directly at Jaire Alexander twice. I think it's personal between those two since that Monday night game against the Packers in Buffalo three years ago.