Ravens fans vs Bills fan discussion

[gonzo1105]

I mean if it’s anything like Twitter I’ll guess the conversation is no my MVP who hasn’t beat Mahomes is better. That’s all I ever see on there. The ones who ms better is the one who wins a damn Super Bowl because nothing else matters. Their both great Quarterbacks 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

So - In other words, you’re saying Lamar has choked and hence his reputation.

2 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

I mean if it’s anything like Twitter I’ll guess the conversation is no my MVP who hasn’t beat Mahomes is better. That’s all I ever see on there. The ones who ms better is the one who wins a damn Super Bowl because nothing else matters. Their both great Quarterbacks 

But one is known for being a playoff choker, while the other is known for being let down by his supporting cast. 
 

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, FranchiseSavior said:

Josh's team failed him but when I rattle off 7 mistakes that Lamars teammates had and their excuses.  

You’re missing the entire point of our conversation lad.  Josh doesn’t choke.  That’s why he’s not considered a choker and Lamar is.  
 

in case you missed it. 

in season ending losses:

Josh Allen led offense scored 23.6ppg

Allen’s defense gave up 31.3 ppg

 

Lamar led offense scored 13.4 ppg

Lamars defense gave up 22.4 ppg.  

yes Lamars teammates have been awful at times too.  They are part of the reason the ravens haven’t won a Super Bowl.  Josh isn’t part of the reason the bills haven’t won a Sb. 
 

[CSBill]

17 hours ago, FranchiseSavior said:

Is Josh still a turnover machine or has he overcome that label? 

 

Lamar took that title away from him in the playoff game last year.

[GaryPinC]

14 hours ago, FranchiseSavior said:

Its 6 on one hand,  half dozen on the other.  Both are elite QBs.  Just as Josh has guys wanting to run through a wall for him so does Lamar.  Lamar's teams all gush over him.  All you hear them talk about is 8.  Just as I assume those guys all talk about Josh.  There are 3 guys on this team today because they want to play with Lamar (their words not mines)  DHop, Henry, and Jaire Alexander. 

 

Both those guys have traits that make them great, both came into the league with major weaknesses to their games and have work their tails off to make those weaknesses a strength. We can sit here and go back a forth about who's better but the fact is that they both are great. Both their teams have come up short in the playoffs and neither one of them has won or even played in the SB.  All those stats aren't going to mean anything if they dont win a SB.  If Lamar doesn't win a SB it is always going be he couldn't get over the hump.  If Josh doesnt win a SB nobody is going to say Josh was a great playoff QB. They are going to say he didn’t get it done.  

I think this is the truest take, only missing the honest point that Josh has performed a little better in the playoffs than Lamar at this point in time.

 

I have nothing but respect and admiration for Lamar changing how he plays the game from his early career.  He's as complete a QB as Josh now.

 

Josh seems to recognize it too, he's always effusive in his praise of Lamar and you saw and felt it at the end of our playoff game this winter.

 

For me this matchup has become more intriguing than Bills/Chiefs because Mahomes' impact on his games seems diminished with KC's defensive talent and coaching.

 

Should be fun, though I expect you guys to carry the day tomorrow as our D seems a bit of a mess right now.  Very much looking forward to a playoff rematch though!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

On 9/3/2025 at 10:10 PM, Ralonzo said:

 

It's that time, isn't it

A++++

[Bockeye]

16 hours ago, FranchiseSavior said:

I don't  agree thats what Lamar has  done.   Has Lamar had turnover issue sure I also think he's played well enough to win those games. Take last seasons game.  The int was the wr running the wrong route ans the fumble was Lamar trying to make something out of nothing.  People naturally look at the TOs but Lamar was brilliant in that game.  The other caveat to this is the team as a whole doesn't play well in the playoffs.   You look at the Lamar TOs and says he chokes while overlooking all the other mistakes in the game.  You had Derrick Hebry drop a pass wide open up the sideline without a Bill within 10 yards of him.  There's a good chance he houses that with his speed.  MAndrews drops a 1st down that  would have kept the drive alive and we had to settle for a FG.   Ravens are driving and Mandrews fumbles in Bills territory.  Lamar fights through all of that scores the potential game tying TD only to have Mandrews drop the 2 pt conversion that would have tied the game.   There are at least 3 more mistakes that others have made and Lamar gets the brunt of it.

How do you make sense of this?

Josh Allen has 264 total touchdowns in his career.

Lamar Jackson has 199 total touchdowns in his career.  

 

That….is…a…chasm.  They are not the same. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, GaryPinC said:

I think this is the truest take, only missing the honest point that Josh has performed a little better in the playoffs than Lamar at this point in time.

 

I have nothing but respect and admiration for Lamar changing how he plays the game from his early career.  He's as complete a QB as Josh now.

 

Josh seems to recognize it too, he's always effusive in his praise of Lamar and you saw and felt it at the end of our playoff game this winter.

 

For me this matchup has become more intriguing than Bills/Chiefs because Mahomes' impact on his games seems diminished with KC's defensive talent and coaching.

 

Should be fun, though I expect you guys to carry the day tomorrow as our D seems a bit of a mess right now.  Very much looking forward to a playoff rematch though!

A little better.  No- he’s performed much better.

regarding the bolded-  the ravens now have more desire talent than the Chiefs.  IMO.  Their secondary is x2 better with their additions this offseason.  
 

regarding the italicized -  I agree.  No Hairston, Tre’davious, Hoecht (who I expect to be an impact player), Ogunjobi and Bass.  Also considering Bishop is still so green.  If he sticks as a starter, he’ll be leaps and bounds better by the years end.  I expect Lamar to target him and CB 2 while also throwing 4-6 screen passes to Justice Hill on 3rd down. Our screen game tackling has been 💩 

 

 

[GaryPinC]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

A little better.  No- he’s performed much better.

regarding the bolded-  the ravens now have more desire talent than the Chiefs.  IMO.  Their secondary is x2 better with their additions this offseason.  
 

regarding the italicized -  I agree.  No Hairston, Tre’davious, Hoecht (who I expect to be an impact player), Ogunjobi and Bass.  Also considering Bishop is still so green.  If he sticks as a starter, he’ll be leaps and bounds better by the years end.  I expect Lamar to target him and CB 2 while also throwing 4-6 screen passes to Justice Hill on 3rd down. Our screen game tackling has been 💩 

 

 

I get how you feel about Allen being so much better, I simply don't agree for the last 2 years.  I think any time these 2 square off it's going to be a game of inches now.   I understand the stats and respect your opinion, but simply don't share it based on Lamar's improved decision making and on-field improvements.

 

I also don't think Josh is being disingenuous or dishonest with the complete respect he has for Lamar 

Edited September 6 by GaryPinC

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, GaryPinC said:

I get how you feel about Allen being so much better, I simply don't agree for the last 2 years.  I think any time these 2 square off it's going to be a game of inches now.   I understand the stats and respect your opinion, but simply don't share it based on Lamar's improved decision making and on-field improvements.

👍🏻

 

Lamar has definitely improved and May still be improving.  I think he will win a super bowl in time.  I don’t expect him to make those mistakes….but he always seems to make them on the biggest stage.  Hence the narrative.  
 

Josh rarely makes those mistakes in the playoffs.  

[GaryPinC]

7 hours ago, NewEra said:

👍🏻

 

Lamar has definitely improved and May still be improving.  I think he will win a super bowl in time.  I don’t expect him to make those mistakes….but he always seems to make them on the biggest stage.  Hence the narrative.  
 

Josh rarely makes those mistakes in the playoffs.  

Well NewEra,

If you want to assume we've got the win in the bag if we meet in the playoffs this year, I totally get it.  I can't say I share that opinion.  Even with multiple turnovers they were right there at the end last year.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

I get how you feel about Allen being so much better, I simply don't agree for the last 2 years.  I think any time these 2 square off it's going to be a game of inches now.   I understand the stats and respect your opinion, but simply don't share it based on Lamar's improved decision making and on-field improvements.

 

I also don't think Josh is being disingenuous or dishonest with the complete respect he has for Lamar 

I feel like defensively these two teams kinda have each others number lol it’s been a pretty interesting rivalry that doesn’t get enough attention for some reason (because Chiefs dominate all conversations  I guess 😂) 

 

that regular season game last year was kind of an aberration but typically it seems some of McDs best game plans are against Baltimore 

 

so much of the focus is on qbs/mvp talk yada yada that I feel like the interesting stuff going on on the defensive side gets overlooked 

Edited September 6 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Dr.Sack]

Ravens fans seem to be a confident bunch outside of playing the Chiefs. It’s like looking in the mirror. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

16 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

I mean if it’s anything like Twitter I’ll guess the conversation is no my MVP who hasn’t beat Mahomes is better. That’s all I ever see on there. The ones who ms better is the one who wins a damn Super Bowl because nothing else matters. Their both great Quarterbacks 

Whoever finally takes down the chiefs in the afc playoffs is beating mahomes and Chris jones in a 2vs1 basically lol. It’s been so odd seeing mahomes get all the credit for the chiefs success when jones/the defense has been bailing them out a lot the last few years. 
 

I feel like Baltimore is a really solid team defense and the bills have been that at times too but neither team has a guy like Chris jones helping their qb get the ball back 

Edited September 6 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

Well NewEra,

If you want to assume we've got the win in the bag if we meet in the playoffs this year, I totally get it.  I can't say I share that opinion.  Even with multiple turnovers they were right there at the end last year.

Talk about putting word in someone’s mouth!!  Not sure why you would say that.  
 

Even if Lamar plays like dog crap, our playoff defense can still lose the game for us

[DuckyBoys]

Seans playoff defense makes other teams qbs look good in critical moments  3nd and forever is a iffy down when Bills d is on the field  I've never seen the Bills give up more crazy conversions in my lifetime than under Sean 

[boater]

Raven's fans love their team and are boisterous.... when they are winning.

 

When the Ravens lose, they are quiet as a mouse.

 

source: a guy who lived in MD for a couple years

[bills6969]

I’m worried Balt, KC, Philly trade for Tyreek over the course of the next few weeks

[FireChans]

The Chiefs for sure

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, bills6969 said:

I’m worried Balt, KC, Philly trade for Tyreek over the course of the next few weeks

If they move him (and I'm not sure Ross is smart enough to) I think it will be a team no one expects. Maybe the Seahawks or 49ers. 

 

I just don't see any of the big teams making a move for a headache player except the Chiefs...and by the Time Miami would move him they will have Worthy and Rice back or close to it.