Shortchaz Posted September 3 Posted September 3 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: Complaining? Want to go back to cash to cap policy we had under Wilson? Well, it’s an odd spot to be in and I don’t pretend to have a solution. It feels like the bill will eventually come due for all these bookkeeping games. maybe they’re already too far down the rabbit hole on this, they probably should have been playing rookies/guys on first contracts more frequently than signing middle of the road free agents. Edited September 3 by Shortchaz Quote
NoSaint Posted September 3 Posted September 3 1 hour ago, Shortchaz said: Well, it’s an odd spot to be in and I don’t pretend to have a solution. It feels like the bill will eventually come due for all these bookkeeping games. maybe they’re already too far down the rabbit hole on this, they probably should have been playing rookies/guys on first contracts more frequently than signing middle of the road free agents. the bills did come due. Last year. Thats what the bill coming due feels like unless you do something drastic and it flops spectacularly (aka browns with Watson) 52 minutes ago, nuklz2594 said: Knox will be next nah- he needs a pay cut or to progress towards release. Restructuring locks him in at his high price 1 Quote
uticaclub Posted September 3 Posted September 3 2 hours ago, NoName said: How bad is Tre's injury? That's the first thought I had when I saw news about the restructure. The stadium will explode if he picks off Lamar 1 Quote
uticaclub Posted September 3 Posted September 3 5 minutes ago, NoSaint said: the bills did come due. Last year. Then why does this team feel like it’s not much better than last years? Quote
Matt_In_NH Posted September 3 Posted September 3 1 hour ago, Shortchaz said: Well, it’s an odd spot to be in and I don’t pretend to have a solution. It feels like the bill will eventually come due for all these bookkeeping games. maybe they’re already too far down the rabbit hole on this, they probably should have been playing rookies/guys on first contracts more frequently than signing middle of the road free agents. You can get a good idea where they are with the sites that track things. The bills are up there in terms of pushing money forward. But the eagles have gone beyond that with their excessive use of void money. Lots of teams are doing void years including the bills but I don’t think they are being irresponsible, lots on this board want them to go nuts with it. Have they resigned too many mid type players? I think you can make that argument. But they are putting a winner out there year in and year out. And they can continue for joshes career so they are doing the right thing IMO Quote
NoSaint Posted September 3 Posted September 3 Just now, uticaclub said: Then why does this team feel like it’s not much better than last years? because last years team drastically overachieved and this one is more likely to play close to that level but not above it? also 2024 draft class isn’t inspiring many around here and Hairston is dinged up. amari, vonn and rasul weren’t big losses. Palmer, bosa/hoecht, and Hairston likely all better. Hopefully one of Keon/bishop take a step forward. That said, last year overall was very healthy and mostly good bounces Quote
4merper4mer Posted September 3 Posted September 3 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I think they might have done this last week to be under the cap at cutdowns and it has only been announced now. Because my maths had then over the cap. Public service announcement to the board: ”Maths” is a word British people use. It means “math”. Also “colour” means “color”. There are many words where they add an extra letter. It’s weird but just roll with it. I don’t think they’ll ever stop. 2 Quote
ngbills Posted September 3 Posted September 3 5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: ~$23M in dead cap between Von, Tre White, and Rasul Douglas alone. Those are the big hitters in our dead space. Names to look out for in 2026 in this year does not go well. These are the dead cap numbers... Palmer - $11M Milano - $11M Hoecht - $9.5M Knox - $7.4M Bosa - $7.2M D Jones - $3.7M Samuel - $3.5M AJE - $2.9M Larry O - $2.6M Quote
RochesterLifer Posted September 3 Posted September 3 (edited) 2 hours ago, uticaclub said: Then why does this team feel like it’s not much better than last years? Maybe because you don't understand history or math? 2024 Bills 13 wins, 4 losses 2023 Bills 11 wins, 6 losses 2022 Bills 13 wins, 3 losses 2021 Bills 11 wins, 6 losses 2020 Bills 13 wins, 3 losses Short of the Super Bowl (which most of us are hoping for), it is mathematically impossible to get "much better." Step out of Utica and into reality. Edited September 3 by RochesterLifer 1 2 Quote
BarleyNY Posted September 3 Posted September 3 8 minutes ago, ngbills said: Names to look out for in 2026 in this year does not go well. These are the dead cap numbers... Palmer - $11M Milano - $11M Hoecht - $9.5M Knox - $7.4M Bosa - $7.2M D Jones - $3.7M Samuel - $3.5M AJE - $2.9M Larry O - $2.6M Good info. I’ll add that the following contracts void next offseason, so the dead caps are fixed unless they get extended before the contract’s void date: Milano Bosa D Jones AJE Larry O. Thats $27.4M in dead cap from those pending FAs. The Bills spent a lot of money this offseason. The dead cap is due to them aggressively structuring these deals as well as others. While I do not agree with how they’ve chosen to spend all their money, I do applaud Pegula for choosing to spend as much as they have this year. 1 1 Quote
JaCrispy Posted September 3 Posted September 3 6 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Ed Oliver next? God, please no…that would only mean he’s on the team longer and our d-line remains mediocre for the foreseeable future 1 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted September 3 Posted September 3 20 minutes ago, ngbills said: Names to look out for in 2026 in this year does not go well. These are the dead cap numbers... Palmer - $11M Milano - $11M Hoecht - $9.5M Knox - $7.4M Bosa - $7.2M D Jones - $3.7M Samuel - $3.5M AJE - $2.9M Larry O - $2.6M Thanks. I dont know about everyone on the list but I know that for Knox, we save $10M by cutting him. $17M cap hit on the team $7M in dead money if we release him Almost seems like a no-brainer, but he was in Josh's wedding so who knows... Maybe he's the next name-turned-practice-squad-player for the Bills next year... Quote
BarleyNY Posted September 3 Posted September 3 4 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: God, please no…that would only mean he’s on the team longer and our d-line remains mediocre for the foreseeable future Sorry to break it to you, but Oliver’s contract was restructured months ago. Restructuring and dead cap hits don’t really impact whether a player is kept or not anymore though. Guaranteed money does. Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted September 3 Posted September 3 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Thanks. I dont know about everyone on the list but I know that for Knox, we save $10M by cutting him. $17M cap hit on the team $7M in dead money if we release him Almost seems like a no-brainer, but he was in Josh's wedding so who knows... Maybe he's the next name-turned-practice-squad-player for the Bills next year... I can see Knox doing a major restructuring or big cut to stay. That would be the only way. 1 minute ago, BarleyNY said: Sorry to break it to you, but Oliver’s contract was restructured months ago. Restructuring and dead cap hits don’t really impact whether a player is kept or not anymore though. Guaranteed money does. Jordan Poyer next? 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted September 3 Posted September 3 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: I can see Knox doing a major restructuring or big cut to stay. That would be the only way. He already took one big pay cut, so at least we know he's willing to do it. IMO, the only way that works for the Bills is if he's willing to keep that same $17M number, but spread it over 3 years. New deal, 3/$17M, $10M guaranteed, or something like that. Quote
uticaclub Posted September 3 Posted September 3 13 minutes ago, RochesterLifer said: Maybe because you don't understand history or math? 2024 Bills 13 wins, 4 losses 2023 Bills 11 wins, 6 losses 2022 Bills 13 wins, 3 losses 2021 Bills 11 wins, 6 losses 2020 Bills 13 wins, 3 losses Short of the Super Bowl (which most of us are hoping for), it is mathematically impossible to get "much better." Step out of Utica and into reality. I haven't lived in NY for over 15 years. I was replying to a post discussing last year's team being constrained by the salary cap, while this year we were expected to have more available cap space. Yes, i’ll take an 11 win team that looks like it can win a championship vs a 13 team that can’t force a punt. I’ll take a take my Riggies in Shootica, you can have your Garbage Plates & Murder Rates. Quote
BarleyNY Posted September 3 Posted September 3 (edited) 11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Thanks. I dont know about everyone on the list but I know that for Knox, we save $10M by cutting him. $17M cap hit on the team $7M in dead money if we release him Almost seems like a no-brainer, but he was in Josh's wedding so who knows... Maybe he's the next name-turned-practice-squad-player for the Bills next year... 9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I can see Knox doing a major restructuring or big cut to stay. That would be the only way. Jordan Poyer next? Haha on Poyer. The good Dr is misreading Spotrac however, Knox’s contract allows for him to be released with a $7.4M dead cap NEXT offseason. His salary this season is already fully guaranteed so he’s not a release candidate until 2026. Edited September 3 by BarleyNY Quote
Mikie2times Posted September 3 Posted September 3 6 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Peppers? 1 Quote
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