TheyCallMeAndy Posted September 3 Posted September 3 I think the team was pretty far in the red, and you want to have some functional cash heading into the season. I think that's all this move was. 2 2 Quote
JP51 Posted September 3 Posted September 3 45 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Needed to be done. Yeah, I am not thinking that this is the pre cursor to a signing... I am thinking this was get under the cap and leave room for injury signings. Although the practice squad honestly provides some depth i am not used too... 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted September 3 Posted September 3 1 hour ago, 17islongenough said: Pretty sure they had to do this to get under the cap. Does the player get less money on this because of taxes? As he would have to pay NY taxes on the full amount. Compared to splitting it amongst different states that they play in with lower income taxes? Seems like the answer is yes, but it's nice having it flipped to guaranteed money, so the trade off balances out. Quick math... $8M across 17 games is about $475k/game. Let's say 5 of those are in lower tax states, saving 2-5% each. Missing a 2% savings would mean losing ~$9k, 5% would be about $25k. So probably about $75k in extra taxes but he gets all $8M guaranteed. Dion spends more on drifting tires each month. With $86M in career earnings already, I dont think he's sweating that $75k. 1 Quote
twoandfourteen Posted September 3 Posted September 3 25 minutes ago, Captain_Quint said: Better than a roster of jag-offs, like most of the teams that we beat up regularly. The only difference between the Bills and those “garbage can” teams you’re talking about is the guy under center. 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 3 Posted September 3 19 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: I think the team was pretty far in the red, and you want to have some functional cash heading into the season. I think that's all this move was. This is 100% the correct answer. 2 Quote
Brand J Posted September 3 Posted September 3 48 minutes ago, Shortchaz said: We will seemingly forever be right up against the cap Which is wild considering the only “bad” contract we have is Dawson Knox and maybe Curtis Samuel. How much dead cap is the team wading through? Quote
Logic Posted September 3 Posted September 3 Several have said this already, but just in case there were a few out there who still have lingering thoughts of this move signifying any kind of roster addition: 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted September 3 Posted September 3 1 minute ago, Brand J said: Which is wild considering the only “bad” contract we have is Dawson Knox and maybe Curtis Samuel. How much dead cap is the team wading through? ~$23M in dead cap between Von, Tre White, and Rasul Douglas alone. Those are the big hitters in our dead space. 3 Quote
SCBills Posted September 3 Posted September 3 1 minute ago, twoandfourteen said: The only difference between the Bills and those “garbage can” teams you’re talking about is the guy under center. We do absolutely have one of the best Offensive Lines in the league. RB room is Top 5-7ish with Cook & Johnson. DL has Top 10 potential with a starting lineup including Bosa, Oliver and Rousseau. Rotating in Hoecht, Sanders and Walker. Thats a lot of potential. Last years roster was pretty meh, but this year has upgrades in Bosa, Hoecht and Palmer.. expected jumps from Kincaid and Coleman.. Along with a RD1 CB we hope gets on the field soon and two talented DT investments. I think you’re too low on the roster around Allen this year. Much better roster in both proven talent and potential over last year. 1 1 Quote
NoName Posted September 3 Posted September 3 How bad is Tre's injury? That's the first thought I had when I saw news about the restructure. Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted September 3 Posted September 3 1 hour ago, JP51 said: Yeah, I am not thinking that this is the pre cursor to a signing... I am thinking this was get under the cap and leave room for injury signings. Although the practice squad honestly provides some depth i am not used too... We needed it to get under the cap and to help when we lose someone, as we always do, during the season. OR... Beane trades another 3rd for a veteran 1 Quote
Don Otreply Posted September 3 Posted September 3 2 hours ago, 17islongenough said: Pretty sure they had to do this to get under the cap. Does the player get less money on this because of taxes? As he would have to pay NY taxes on the full amount. Compared to splitting it amongst different states that they play in with lower income taxes? Deon may care, but if I’m honest, I don’t care at all, dude is a multimillionaire, he is doing fine financially, Quote
billsfan89 Posted September 3 Posted September 3 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I think they might have done this last week to be under the cap at cutdowns and it has only been announced now. Because my maths had then over the cap. The deadline to be fully cap compliant as opposed to top 51 cap compliant was yesterday at 4pm. Prior to Tuesday at 4pm prior to the opening kickoff you only have to be under the cap accounting for the top 51 roster spots cap hits and the dead cap/void years. But yesterday at 4pm you have to account for the PS, injured reserve, and the last two roster spots. I Would imagine that the Bills probably needed this move to absorb the PS and last two roster spots plus have an emergency in season fund. 1 Quote
Don Otreply Posted September 3 Posted September 3 1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said: The only difference between the Bills and those “garbage can” teams you’re talking about is the guy under center. You are just delightful, please do enjoy your unfounded anger with the Buffalo Bills, lol…, 1 2 1 Quote
MJS Posted September 3 Posted September 3 1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said: And a roster full of JAGs to show for it. A top 5 roster in the NFL. 1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said: The only difference between the Bills and those “garbage can” teams you’re talking about is the guy under center. A deeply uneducated and incorrect statement. It is clear you do not know anything about NFL rosters. 2 2 2 1 Quote
BearNorth Posted September 3 Posted September 3 2 hours ago, Shortchaz said: We will seemingly forever be right up against the cap Price the team pays for having #17 in his prime earning years. Quote
GunnerBill Posted September 3 Posted September 3 19 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: The deadline to be fully cap compliant as opposed to top 51 cap compliant was yesterday at 4pm. Prior to Tuesday at 4pm prior to the opening kickoff you only have to be under the cap accounting for the top 51 roster spots cap hits and the dead cap/void years. But yesterday at 4pm you have to account for the PS, injured reserve, and the last two roster spots. I Would imagine that the Bills probably needed this move to absorb the PS and last two roster spots plus have an emergency in season fund. Thanks. I didn't realise they hadn't moved that deadline when they moved up the final cutdowns date. Yea likely it was done yesterday then. Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted September 3 Posted September 3 Just now, MJS said: A top 5 roster in the NFL. A deeply uneducated and incorrect statement. It is clear you do not know anything about NFL rosters. It's like we havent been reigning AFC East champs and werent just 1 or 2 plays away from winning the AFC Championship. "JAGs"... ok... 1 1 1 Quote
Matt_In_NH Posted September 3 Posted September 3 2 hours ago, Shortchaz said: We will seemingly forever be right up against the cap Complaining? Want to go back to cash to cap policy we had under Wilson? 2 Quote
BarleyNY Posted September 3 Posted September 3 The Bills will have to make another move to get through the season. Probably a restructure of Knox, though there are other options - an extension such as McGovern or a different restructure like Samuel. My money is on something happening with Knox’s contract though. Quote
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