Keon Coleman- Predict how you will feel about Keon Coleman after the 2025 season.

[Lost]

8 minutes ago, TH3 said:

…that scored the most points in franchise history

 

Maybe I'm a homer but I feel they could've scored even more.    Most points scored in team history with bottom 5 WR group in the league is an odd pairing.   Also  Josh has been putting his body on the line too much.   Rather not Cam Newton him out of the league.

[SirAndrew]

5 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Pretty low bar.

 

As for me, like 50 for 900 5 TD 

Yeah, statistically there’s probably what I’m thinking with Coleman as well. I see the potential for a couple more touchdowns, but receptions sound spot on. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, SirAndrew said:

Yeah, statistically there’s probably what I’m thinking with Coleman as well. I see the potential for a couple more touchdowns, but receptions sound spot on. 

The man averaged over 20ypc last year, see no reason why he couldn't average 18 barring injury.

[SirAndrew]

6 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

Maybe I'm a homer but I feel they could've scored even more.    Most points scored in team history with bottom 5 WR group in the league is an odd pairing.   Also  Josh has been putting his body on the line too much.   Rather not Cam Newton him out of the league.

Yeah, it’s time to save the Allen Superman runs for the playoffs. Those hits are going to feel different on the other side of 30. 

2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

The man averaged over 20ypc last year, see no reason why he couldn't average 18 barring injury.

The yards per catch is something I’d always expect to be higher with Coleman. We have so many slot type receivers, he’s really the only guy I picture Allen pushing the ball to downfield. 

[Mr. WEO]

8 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

The man averaged over 20ypc last year, see no reason why he couldn't average 18 barring injury.

 

19.2 in regular season, but caught only 29 passes. This low number allows his average to be weighted disproportionally by a few long receptions (he had 2 games with only 1 catch, but for 49 and 64 yards, respectively).  Of all receivers who caught at least 32 passes last year, only 1 (Pierce, IND) averaged more than 17.3YPC.

 

Coleman is unlikely to match that if he is targeted more.

[Avisan]

33 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

Maybe I'm a homer but I feel they could've scored even more.    Most points scored in team history with bottom 5 WR group in the league is an odd pairing.   Also  Josh has been putting his body on the line too much.   Rather not Cam Newton him out of the league.

Allen really didn't have to put his body on the line much last season.  Other than his early-season hijinks leading to the broken hand and Amari Cooper missing the new player orientation about whether or not you let Allen involve himself in backyard football pitch backs ("NO"), there were very few of those moments.

 

He does it anyway sometimes, because that's what makes him happy, but it wasn't necessary last season.

[Lost]

12 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Allen really didn't have to put his body on the line much last season.  Other than his early-season hijinks leading to the broken hand and Amari Cooper missing the new player orientation about whether or not you let Allen involve himself in backyard football pitch backs ("NO"), there were very few of those moments.

 

He does it anyway sometimes, because that's what makes him happy, but it wasn't necessary last season.

 

Shoulder injury in 2022 that he played through, elbow injury that gave him occasional numbness in his hand 2023, broken hand last year plus possible concussion that he may have played through as well.   Not a good track record for a long productive career.   

 

Josh has the Brett Favre mindset and I'm positive he would play through any injury(I actually think he's deliberately going after Brett's consecutive game record) but it could eventually catch up to him and and degrade his physical ability.  

[Andrew Son]

11 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

Shoulder injury in 2022 that he played through, elbow injury that gave him occasional numbness in his hand 2023, broken hand last year plus possible concussion that he may have played through as well.   Not a good track record for a long productive career.   

 

Josh has the Brett Favre mindset and I'm positive he would play through any injury(I actually think he's deliberately going after Brett's consecutive game record) but it could eventually catch up to him and and degrade his physical ability.  

It’s simply how Josh plays.

 

Give him better outside weapons, and he’s not all of a sudden going to turn into a timing based point guard like distributor.

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

It’s simply how Josh plays.

 

Give him better outside weapons, and he’s not all of a sudden going to turn into a timing based point guard like distributor.

💯 

[frostbitmic]

I could see him being one of Josh' top targets through the season but there are a number of receivers who will command targets and that could lower his numbers.

 

Math time ... 4 receptions a game x 17 = (68) x 12 yds per = (816) divided by 100 = (8) TDs.

 

I think those are numbers Keon can easily produce this season IF he and Josh stay healthy.

[Buffalo Boy]

5 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

 

The running game was the foundation of last year's success and will be again this year.

 

I think that the run, and the backs catching the ball, were actually underutilized last year though statistically they had great numbers in the receiving game.

 

The Bills have some of the best analytics people around and they know that, so this year MORE.

 

Have always said: when Josh Allen has a great running game the Bills will be almost unbeatable.

 

Back to the “ Why can’t we run a screen to save our lives”? 
Absolutely agree with the short game to the backs. 
If Cook could start catching passes running routes…..😍

[TheWei44]

945 yards (64 catches) and 7 TDs

[Jay_Fixit]

I just hope it’s a better season than Worthy so I don’t have to see all the whining.

[Mister Defense]

2 hours ago, Lost said:

 

Maybe I'm a homer but I feel they could've scored even more.    Most points scored in team history with bottom 5 WR group in the league is an odd pairing.   Also  Josh has been putting his body on the line too much.   Rather not Cam Newton him out of the league.

 

How do you think they could have scored more last year, than the most points in the NFL by the end of the playoffs?

 

What do you mean by "odd pairing"?  It happened, they really did score that many points, and you watched the games, so saw how it worked, how it all came together.

 

And didn't the Bills do just what you are saying here--instead of almost always putting the ball in Josh's hands in short yardage or goal line situations it more often went to a running back, like Cook or Davis-?  Hence, what 18 TDS by Cook last year?

 

So it seems you are contradicting yourself--you want the Bills to score more, think the passing game was inadequate, yet the Bills broke an all time team record and scored the most points in the league. 

 

On the other hand, you say you want less risk for Josh Allen.  While the focus on the running game, and using the backs more in that, did just that last year. But you want less of that too.

 

Seems your end goals don't match up with the way you think the Bills should get there.  As what they are doing now, which led to the most points ever by the team and also less wear and tare on Allen, are exactly what you (and most Bills' fans) want.  You don't like that they are achieving these goals by running more, running a lot actually, and you want them to get there in different ways.  Why?

 

It seems you should be screaming from the roof tops:  More of what we did last year!

 

As then we get more points, maybe best in the league again, and make best ever in the NFL, and less pressure on Josh Allen. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 30 by Mister Defense

[stevewin]

2 hours ago, Lost said:

 

Maybe I'm a homer but I feel they could've scored even more.    Most points scored in team history with bottom 5 WR group in the league is an odd pairing.   Also  Josh has been putting his body on the line too much.   Rather not Cam Newton him out of the league.

Josh understands he needs to protect and take care of his body..  He said this offseason is the best he's ever felt physically from the previous season.  Everybody eats feeds into that in that he can have confidence to distribute it to anyone on the field without taking a hit or going superman

[Mikie2times]

I was a proponent of drafting him in January of 2024. I just really liked him at FSU. So I have been in on him since well prior to the draft. Last year he didn't appear to me to be a physical as I thought he might be able to be. In addition, I didn't think he was as effective in jump ball red zone targets. I recall him grabbing several jump balls, which helped contribute to his insane YPC, but I expected him to be dominate here.

 

I think a lot of this was just the adjustment period to the NFL game. So a lot of potential. I think a big sign for him will be getting that YAC down. A number one WR has to catch balls between 5-10 yards, which is often a product of route running and separation. If we see that YAC come down and his receptions go up I'm confident in even more TD's from him this year. It could be a really big year for him. One of the guys I'm most excited to watch this coming year.  I think he's going to surprise a lot of people.

 

65 Rec, 900, 8 TD's ..... I would have him even higher on these Reception and Yards targets, but I just don't know how much Brady will ever feature one player. At the least he is going to be a Tuddy machine. 

Edited August 30 by Mikie2times

[Lost]

38 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

How do you think they could have scored more last year, than the most points in the NFL by the end of the playoffs?

 

What do you mean by "odd pairing"?  It happened, they really did score that many points, and you watched the games, so saw how it worked, how it all came together.

 

Maybe they coulda had just a few more drives not end in 3 and out?   Sam Martin punted more times in 2024 than he did in 2023 and more than he did in 2022.  Never said what they were doing wasn't working.  Not asking for any radical change either.  Bills were 49% run - 51% pass last year.  I liked it better when we were around 45% run - 55% pass.  I just think if you have a future HOF QB you should be trying to lean into the passing game more.   Ideally, I just want the 2021 playoff Bills back.  That was the one time they scored enough points to beat the Chiefs.

 

 

I really didn't want to turn this into a Josh Allen thread.   Oh well.  

Edited August 30 by Lost

[Chandler#81]

I anticipate being bummed about Coleman yet again. Is he stronger? Worked on his footing? Lived on the jugs machine? Yes, Yes, Yes. 
does he STILL drop to damn many passes?

YES!

[GoBills808]

3 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

 

How do you think they could have scored more last year, than the most points in the NFL by the end of the playoffs?

 

What do you mean by "odd pairing"?  It happened, they really did score that many points, and you watched the games, so saw how it worked, how it all came together.

 

And didn't the Bills do just what you are saying here--instead of almost always putting the ball in Josh's hands in short yardage or goal line situations it more often went to a running back, like Cook or Davis-?  Hence, what 18 TDS by Cook last year?

 

So it seems you are contradicting yourself--you want the Bills to score more, think the passing game was inadequate, yet the Bills broke an all time team record and scored the most points in the league. 

 

On the other hand, you say you want less risk for Josh Allen.  While the focus on the running game, and using the backs more in that, did just that last year. But you want less of that too.

 

Seems your end goals don't match up with the way you think the Bills should get there.  As what they are doing now, which led to the most points ever by the team and also less wear and tare on Allen, are exactly what you (and most Bills' fans) want.  You don't like that they are achieving these goals by running more, running a lot actually, and you want them to get there in different ways.  Why?

 

It seems you should be screaming from the roof tops:  More of what we did last year!

 

As then we get more points, maybe best in the league again, and make best ever in the NFL, and less pressure on Josh Allen. 

 

 

 

 

 

odd pairing meaning it's statistically unlikely that the rate at which we scored/yards gained will be duplicated

 

relied heavily on having a never before seen in the NFL negative play rate

[Mister Defense]

2 hours ago, Lost said:

 

Maybe they coulda had just a few more drives not end in 3 and out?   Sam Martin punted more times in 2024 than he did in 2023 and more than he did in 2022.  Never said what they were doing wasn't working.  Not asking for any radical change either.  Bills were 49% run - 51% pass last year.  I liked it better when we were around 45% run - 55% pass.  I just think if you have a future HOF QB you should be trying to lean into the passing game more.   Ideally, I just want the 2021 playoff Bills back.  That was the one time they scored enough points to beat the Chiefs.

 

 

I really didn't want to turn this into a Josh Allen thread.   Oh well.  

 

Ok, but it is clear the better the running game, the more successful the Bills have been. 

 

After the Tampa Loss, when they were 7-6, McDermott (supposedly) put the hammer down, and Daboll ran and ran for the rest of the season, like he meant it, and they did not lose a game to end the season.  Then, with Dismal Dorsey, well the running game became an afterthought, struck no fear in no one, and was fired.  What did Brady do? Ran the stuffing out of the ball, and the Bills, struggling to stay in the playoff hunt before then, became dominant.

 

And then last year, we all saw what a high quality running game, from the beginning of the season to the end, meant to this offense.

 

So if you want a better offense, pray for an even better running game this year and you will get your wish.

 

If you want Josh Allen to just throw more because you like that, think it should happen, then you will likely get a lot more passing yards--and a much less effective offense. And less wins.  I am praying that the Bills never do that again under Allen.

 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

odd pairing meaning it's statistically unlikely that the rate at which we scored/yards gained will be duplicated

 

relied heavily on having a never before seen in the NFL negative play rate

 

I don't think that is the implication in the "odd pairing" he mentions, is that it is statistically unlikely it can be duplicated--only that the two pieces of data do not match well to him.  He may mean that, but that is not what he stated there. (It was probably statistically unlikely that in a 90's team that did not huddle regularly would win many many games and dominate the AFC--it had never happened before.)

 

And not sure of your point in bold above-?

 

The Bills had that great thing?  "Relied heavily"-??

 

 

Edited August 30 by Mister Defense