Bills sign Jordan Poyer (to PS)

[RoscoeParrish]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

I believe the team will benefit more from having Poyer, Phillips and Dane Jackson  as the 13th-16th players the practice squad than players that they deem lesser than Latu, Logue and Travis clayton and Hardy.  Anyone think any of those 4 guys will have any positive plays for the Bills this season?  

You could add Poyer as a coach and do both. 

[Victory Formation]

Better than Hamlin..

[Sierra Foothills]

52 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

You could add Poyer as a coach and do both. 

 

• The role of a veteran player is different than that of a coach. That's why there's such things as team captains and leadership committees. The Bills obviously see more value in Poyer as a player than as a coach.
• Poyer will make $450K at the veteran minimum assuming 18 weeks.
• The average position coach in the NFL makes about $150K.
• Poyer as a player is an insurance policy... as a coach he wouldn't be practicing and therefore wouldn't be game-ready if needed.

 

[RoscoeParrish]

5 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

The role of a veteran player is different than that of a coach. That's why there's such things as team captains and leadership committees. The Bills obviously see more value in Poyer as a player than as a coach.

The bills can call Poyer a coach and let him do basically everything except potentially dress on Sunday. The distinction is irrelevant. He doesn’t need to wear a polo and whistle because he’s listed as a coach.

 

6 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

• Poyer will make $450K at the veteran minimum assuming 18 weeks.
• The average position coach in the NFL makes about $150K

They can pay their coaches whatever they want without any salary cap impact.

 

7 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

Poyer as a player is an insurance policy... as a coach he wouldn't be practicing and therefore wouldn't be game-ready if needed

I would rather a player on the PS that can potentially be better than Poyer as an insurance policy.

[Sierra Foothills]

3 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

The bills can call Poyer a coach and let him do basically everything except potentially dress on Sunday. The distinction is irrelevant. He doesn’t need to wear a polo and whistle because he’s listed as a coach. They can pay their coaches whatever they want without any salary cap impact. I would rather a player on the PS that can potentially be better than Poyer as an insurance policy.

 

It doesn't matter what you want them to do.

 

Poyer wants to be a player and they want him to be a player... they see the value in him as a player.

 

They're not going to overpay him as a coach and have him take practice reps as a player. And they're not going to try to circumvent the salary cap with outlandish schemes.

 

 

Edited August 28 by Sierra Foothills

[RoscoeParrish]

Just now, Sierra Foothills said:

 

It doesn't matter what you want them to do.

 

Poyer wants to be a player and they want him to be a player... they see the value in him as a player.

 

They're not going to overpay him as a coach and have him take practice reps as a player.

 

 

Nothing we say on here matters. It’s just an opinion.

[BillsFanForever19]

25 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

I would rather a player on the PS that can potentially be better than Poyer as an insurance policy.

 

The "potential" that actually matters is Cole Bishop and Jordan Hancock.

 

If there's injuries to the Safety room or that potential isn't there this year, you want a veteran that knows the Defense that you can plug and play. Anyone but Jordan Poyer or Darrick Forrest would require learning the Defense and the Playbook while real bullets are flying. While also being the type of talent that was just put out on the street.

 

I think you're really overreacting here. Whatever "potential" you're getting from a Practice Squad Safety here is likely the same and potentially less than we'd get from Poyer, if we have to put him in. Especially when you consider the familiarity Poyer has with what McDermott wants.

Edited August 28 by BillsFanForever19

[RoscoeParrish]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

The "potential" that actually matters is Cole Bishop and Jordan Hancock.

 

If there's injuries to the Safety room or that potential isn't there this year, you want a veteran that knows the Defense that you can plug and play. Anyone but Jordan Poyer or Darrick Forrest would require learning the Defense and the Playbook while real bullets are flying. While also being the type of talent that was just put out on the street.

 

I think you're really overreacting here. Whatever "potential" you're getting from a Practice Squad Safety here is likely the same and potentially less than we'd get from Poyer, if we have to put him in. Especially when you consider the familiarity Poyer has with what McDermott wants.

I mean, guys get signed off the street mid season and learn enough of the playbook to play all the time? Like every season?

 

I’m not really overreacting because it’s not that big of a deal to me, I just disagree.

 

I think if you want Jordan Poyer’s mind helping the young kids out there, he doesn’t need a PS spot to do that.

 

I think I would take my chances on elevating a Tony Jefferson or a Jordan Whitehead week 8 from the PS after learning the playbook than 35 year old Jordan Poyer. That’s jmo

[BillsFanForever19]

18 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

I mean, guys get signed off the street mid season and learn enough of the playbook to play all the time? Like every season?

 

Who does that for us? When did that happen? Bc last year, Kareem Jackson and Lewis Cine were in our system before the season started. And Cine wasn't called upon until late into the season.

 

When was the last time we plugged and played a Practice Squad player "off the street halfway through the season"? That's not something that happens every season with this regime. Maybe with other teams, but a lot is required of our Secondary. It's a complicated scheme.

 

Who is the Safety that's floating around right now that would agree to a Practice Squad spot that would be an upgrade over Poyer without knowing the Defense?

Edited August 28 by BillsFanForever19

[Gunsgoodtime]

5 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

The same thing happened in the Jordan Phillips topic as happened here.

 

You could almost change the last name and position and there wouldn't be any difference. In fact both topics stand right now at 17 pages.

 

 

 

I'm sorry the Bills let you down... how dare they... 😆

 

 

 

So... signing Von to a huge contract is the same as signing Jordan Poyer to the veteran minimum?

 

Did you even read?  Nothing we stated said that you are just making stuff up

[RoscoeParrish]

51 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Who does that for us? When did that happen? Bc last year, Kareem Jackson and Lewis Cine were in our system before the season started. And Cine wasn't called upon until late into the season.

 

When was the last time we plugged and played a Practice Squad player "off the street halfway through the season"? That's not something that happens every season with this regime. Maybe with other teams, but a lot is required of our Secondary. It's a complicated scheme.

 

Who is the Safety that's floating around right now that would agree to a Practice Squad spot that would be an upgrade over Poyer without knowing the Defense?

We traded for Amari Cooper last year mid season.

 

we traded for Rasul Douglas midseason the year prior.

 

The defense and offense weren’t that complicated for 2 vets to come in and contribute without practice squad reps.

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, RoscoeParrish said:

We traded for Amari Cooper last year mid season.

 

we traded for Rasul Douglas midseason the year prior.

 

The defense and offense weren’t that complicated for 2 vets to come in and contribute without practice squad reps.

 

Both of those were top quality starting players that we traded Day 2 Picks for. We're not talking about Amari Cooper level WR's or the kind of quality CB that Rasul Douglas (who was specifically traded for bc he was extremely adept at Zone coverage) was in 2023. We're talking about Practice Squad level players with "potential".

 

You said those kind of players "get signed off the street mid season and learn enough of the playbook to play all the time", "like every season". Those two don't apply to that statement. They were starting on other teams the week before coming here.

 

As for the names you mentioned, we don't know if Jordan Whitehead is willing to sign to a Practice Squad. Just bc he's floating out there now doesn't mean he's open to just anything. Tony Jefferson has played 24 games in total over the past FIVE seasons. He's started only 5 games over that time. I don't view him as an upgrade over Jordan Poyer. And he just re-signed to the Chargers Practice Squad, so there's no saying he had any interest in switching teams for the same role.

Edited August 28 by BillsFanForever19

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

• The role of a veteran player is different than that of a coach. That's why there's such things as team captains and leadership committees. The Bills obviously see more value in Poyer as a player than as a coach.
• Poyer will make $450K at the veteran minimum assuming 18 weeks.
• The average position coach in the NFL makes about $150K.
• Poyer as a player is an insurance policy... as a coach he wouldn't be practicing and therefore wouldn't be game-ready if needed.

 

Veteran salary for PS is $17,500 to $22,000 per week.  So his salary is somewhere between $315-396K assuming 18 weeks. 

[BananaB]

8 hours ago, Governor said:

If the system is so complex that only a few long time bench players and retired players can play in it, it should’ve been tossed years ago, and all signs now point to it being the reason Josh has been denied of multiple SB’s.

Think about it, other then the year they grabbed Beas and Smoke late the majority of these players have been D guys. 
 

You had Shaq, Klien and Phillips numerous times each. Then you have Poyer, Mycah, Tre and Dane.  Not sure if I forgot anybody. 
 

 

[JGMcD2]

14 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

You’re hyper-focused on Buffalo as if this is some kind of problem, but the Chiefs do the exact same thing - and it’s widely accepted as smart roster management. Mecole Hardman walked away for two years, and KC traded a draft pick to bring him back. Derrick Nnadi left this offseason, and they traded to get him back almost immediately. Steven Nelson came out of retirement in late 2024 because they needed secondary depth. Even on the staff side, Matt Nagy left KC to be the Bears’ head coach, had an underwhelming tenure, and who called him back to serve as Offensive Coordinator? The Chiefs.

 

The point isn’t that Buffalo or KC is blindly keeping people around - it’s that bringing back familiar players or staff is a calculated, situational move, not evidence of a closed circle. KC does it; Buffalo does it. That’s smart roster and staff management, not a flaw.

Oh, and now there’s a report the Chiefs are bringing back Clyde Edwards-Helaire. Practice squad, of course - because why not? Remember, last year when Isaiah Pacheco went down, they dusted off Kareem Hunt and put him right on the active roster.

 

And get this - veteran safety Mike Edwards? They re-signed him this offseason for a second stint… only to cut him. Plot twist: he’s back too, on the practice squad. You can’t make this stuff up.

 

@That's No Moon

[DCofNC]

If this is anything more than a mentor role, I give up.  McD and his “system” being “too difficult” for players to grasp without years in it, tells me everything I need to know at this point.  For one, it only works when the other team screws up and the real competition doesn’t screw up enough (playoffs) when it matters.  Two, he can’t play guys who don’t fit his system instead of showing true coaching ability and making the scheme maximize the talent.  This RIGHT HERE is the difference between good and great.  This is why Belicheck was/is one of, if not the best coaches ever.  He had a base system, but he could plug in anyone and adapt the system to fit the guys he had, letting multiple guys become stars with the Pats and duds elsewhere because he put them in a place to succeed.  Here, either you fit McDs scheme or you’re another wasted draft pick.  It’s ludicrous.  
 

Simplicity is the mark of genius.  Any idiot can make something complicated, it takes real intelligence to make the difficult simple.   I give McD credit where it’s due, but if he won’t change this stupid system, this team will always come up short.

6 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Who does that for us? When did that happen? Bc last year, Kareem Jackson and Lewis Cine were in our system before the season started. And Cine wasn't called upon until late into the season.

 

When was the last time we plugged and played a Practice Squad player "off the street halfway through the season"? That's not something that happens every season with this regime. Maybe with other teams, but a lot is required of our Secondary. It's a complicated scheme.

 

Who is the Safety that's floating around right now that would agree to a Practice Squad spot that would be an upgrade over Poyer without knowing the Defense?

You defined the problem, why can other teams make it work, and it’s impossible for McD to get guys ready?

[chris heff]

12 hours ago, blacklabel said:

 

Old enough, haha. That one doesn't ring a bell, tho. I'm born in 82. The "blacklabel" screen name comes from a song from a metal band. I think I've been using it here and there since like 2004? Yeesh haha. 

It was the tag line for Carlings Black Label Beer. You could also “snap a cap of Carlings Red Cap Ale”.

 

[Mat68]

21 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

No.  No, he isn't.  I'm not saying Hamlin is great but he's serviceable, and Poyer just isn't.  His mind is willing but his body can't get him there.

 

It's like AJ Klein, when the Bills brought him in in 2020, he was 29 yrs old and after some teething pains when he took over for Milano he played well and even took home "defensive player of the week" honors.  But by 2022 he had fallen off considerably, and by 2023 at age 32 he was cooked.  He understood what he was seeing, he knew where he was supposed to be, he simply couldn't get there.

Poyer was the higher rated player in 24.  I know PFF isn't the gold standard it is a public grading system though.  Also Poyer was still being used in multiple ways in 23 and last year with Miami.  I would use Poyer here the way they used Hamlin.  Buffalo schemed around Hamlin due to his limitations. Poyer on the field even if he is playing dummy D to start will catch Hamlin.   

[SoCal Deek]

6 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Veteran salary for PS is $17,500 to $22,000 per week.  So his salary is somewhere between $315-396K assuming 18 weeks. 

So he’s obviously doing this so that he can afford a PSL next season. Obviously. 

[Mat68]

100% of the hate against Poyer imo is he was beat by Cook for a TD.  Prime Po doesn't catch him either.  Im not sure many understand how much the coverage changed with Hamlin on the field.  He was hid.  Created the worst pass defense I can remember this team having.  Dick Jauron bad. Poyer is healthy and I would rather him on the field.  If used like Hamlin last season, his instincts and physicality shrink those windows.  Poyer to me is Hamlin insurance.