If you are cutting Hamlin, do it now...

[Rich Stadium Original]

I wonder if below the surface if there is some resentment about Hamlin being on the squad from his teammates. I'm sure hes a nice guy and good friends to a lot of the players, but if we see what a liability he can be on the field, rest assured the rest of the players can see it as well.

On the flip side, if he IS cut, along with other fan favorites and feel good stories like Andreesen, it may send a message that ANYONE can be cut if they dont produce.

[TurfToeJam]

1 hour ago, Billsguy said:

Hamlin is just plain terrible. He is so slow it's a joke. He might be the worst safety in the league and other teams know it. Bishop had better improve drastically because right now he's looking like another Beane draft mistake. Big balls Beane better find a couple of qualified safeties or this defense will struggle mightily again this year.

 

It sure looked like the Bears were purposely taking advantage of Hamlin 

 

[billsfan89]

53 minutes ago, BananaB said:

The whole “he knows the system” has done nothing for us but keep average players around to long. Some of us said last year starting Damar over Bishop would only prolong Bishops learning curve. Players learn faster on the field not the film room. Experience matters and when you’re playing guys that aren’t very good with no upside it hurts the team short term and long term. 

 

If you have "average" players on the bench that's pretty good depth no? The NFL is about surviving a season with good depth as much as it is about star power at the top of your roster. I don't know if you look at other teams rosters but most teams don't have good backups. This idea that we shouldn't have Hamlin a good ST player who can plug in as a below average starting caliber safety off the bench because this team should focus on developing unknown player with theoretical upside is just people doing neuance trolling and demanding perfection. 

 

The Bills even signed Forrest to try to add depth and drafted a player in the mid to late rounds. Who else were they supposed to sign for a 3rd/4th safety for 2 million dollars that was gonna provide more value than Hamlin? 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, Jukester said:

Yes. I’m not a fan of Hamlin but it is definitely overreaction Monday around here after a meaningless preseason game 

Um he was bad last year. Its not an overreaction to yesterday.  It's a rationale evaluation of a player not good enough to play but has an emotional tie to the coach, his teammates, and the community.  

Its time to move on

[JohninMinn.]

Can't.  He's a feelgood story.

[BananaB]

11 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

If you have "average" players on the bench that's pretty good depth no? The NFL is about surviving a season with good depth as much as it is about star power at the top of your roster. I don't know if you look at other teams rosters but most teams don't have good backups. This idea that we shouldn't have Hamlin a good ST player who can plug in as a below average starting caliber safety off the bench because this team should focus on developing unknown player with theoretical upside is just people doing neuance trolling and demanding perfection. 

 

The Bills even signed Forrest to try to add depth and drafted a player in the mid to late rounds. Who else were they supposed to sign for a 3rd/4th safety for 2 million dollars that was gonna provide more value than Hamlin? 

Hamlin ain’t average. Rather a young guy that don’t know the playbook making his foolish mistakes then waste money on him. 

[SCBills]

Joe Marino felt the need to lecture everyone for being annoyed with Hamlin on this team. 
 

Im so sick of this narrative from Damar defenders. 
 

Most of us don’t have anything against him.   We can simply see with our two eyes that he’s a massive liability out there and due to the fact both our safeties are injury prone.. he plays all the time.  
 

What the **** kind of defense do we run where the DL is the most important part because we need to get pressure with 4, but also the linebackers are really important .. oh, and don’t forget slot corner.. can’t lose Taron.. and I mean, of course outside corners are of huge importance and did I forget to say that Safety play in our system is massively important because they’re the QB’s of the Defense?

 

Pick a struggle and for the love of all that is holy, take a chance on upside guys who might make mistakes over depth linebackers and safeties who you “trust” to be in position, even though they’re average at best.

 

Average, at best, has had to play in the playoffs and been a massive issue. 

[BananaB]

Just now, JohninMinn. said:

Can't.  He's a feelgood story.

Pretty much

[Yockopondowsk]

Poyer Hyde redux 

[Captain Hindsight]

55 minutes ago, Rich Stadium Original said:

I wonder if below the surface if there is some resentment about Hamlin being on the squad from his teammates. I'm sure hes a nice guy and good friends to a lot of the players, but if we see what a liability he can be on the field, rest assured the rest of the players can see it as well.

On the flip side, if he IS cut, along with other fan favorites and feel good stories like Andreesen, it may send a message that ANYONE can be cut if they dont produce.

I swear Bills fans create drama out of nothing 

[billsfan89]

47 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Hamlin ain’t average. Rather a young guy that don’t know the playbook making his foolish mistakes then waste money on him. 

The Bills drafted a player and signed a more athletic player in Forrest so would a undrafted player be better than Hamlin?

[BananaB]

8 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

The Bills drafted a player and signed a more athletic player in Forrest so would a undrafted player be better than Hamlin?

Yeah we drafted a player and kept him on the bench most of last season for Hamlins below average. Exactly what I’m talking about. 

[stlbills13]

He's going to be attacked by opposing defenses in the pass game all year this season if he's on the field. It may help a bit with Bernard and Milano on the field to clog up the middle but unless Bishop gets going and Rapp stays healthy, our safeties are going to get abused all season 

[BarleyNY]

13 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

There will be an incredible amount of emotion around cutting Hamlin.  He's just terrible and its obvious he needs to go.  He's a wonderful survival story and he turned a terrible near tragedy into an amazing positive national story and education opportunity.  It's time to move on though.  Bills can not afford the distraction of cutting him after the next game and in the leadup to week 1.  Do it tomorrow or Tuesday.  Then start working the phones and move a reserve OL for a backup safety that at least belongs in the NFL.  

 

I agree that it needs to happen, but I’d wait until after the last game. Two reasons. One, it’s appropriate to give him every chance to make the team. Two, we need him to take snaps in the last preseason game. I wouldn’t worry about distraction. There’s 15 days between the last preseason game and the game against the Ravens. What’s an extra 5 or 6 days versus giving him another opportunity?

[GoBills808]

I don't think they're cutting hamlin

 

But if they are Hard Knocks has definitely set it up on a tee

[BullBuchanan]

Beane really needed to find a way to address S this offseason and he flunked hard. Getting Minkah Fitzpatrick or someone of his caliber may have been more important than landing a big time pass rusher.

Hamlin is the 2nd best safety on the roster, but that isn't even the biggest problem. The biggest problem is Rapp is the best safety on the roster. We've deluded ourselves into forgetting he sucks too. We couldn't be farther from prime Hyde/Poyer right now, and I think it'll be our undoing come January. Quality safety play is critical the way we play defense.

[Joe Marino]

2 hours ago, JohninMinn. said:

Can't.  He's a feelgood story.

 

Not totally true. On Sundays he makes me feelbad.

[Einstein]

It would almost funny, if it wasn’t my team harmed by it

 

 

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

Beane really needed to find a way to address S this offseason and he flunked hard. Getting Minkah Fitzpatrick or someone of his caliber may have been more important than landing a big time pass rusher.

Hamlin is the 2nd best safety on the roster, but that isn't even the biggest problem. The biggest problem is Rapp is the best safety on the roster. We've deluded ourselves into forgetting he sucks too. We couldn't be farther from prime Hyde/Poyer right now, and I think it'll be our undoing come January. Quality safety play is critical the way we play defense.

Rapp played well vs Denver in the playoffs and came out early due to injury in the Baltimore game. He didn't play vs KC. He's not a superstar but he doesn't suck. He's a decent starting-caliber NFL safety. It's the other position that's the problem, although Bishop at least has physical talent and upside. Hamlin is not quick or fast enough to be starting in any NFL secondary.   

[Sojourner]

2 hours ago, Yockopondowsk said:

Poyer Hyde redux 

not even close man!