The Best to Never Get There

[Gregg]

4 minutes ago, Brand J said:

It would be so Buffalo-like if Allen defies all these odds and becomes the one outlier to never make a Super Bowl. Yes, I realize it is not his fault, it’s that defense the coach can’t seem to get right when it matters. It’s also offensive players letting him down in crucial moments when there’s a play to be made (Dawkins, Diggs, Sherfield, Kincaid).

 

If I remember correctly wasn't Cook on the bench during the final drive against KC in the AFCCG. 

[SoTier]

Another day, another thread whining about how bad the Bills are and how bad McDermott is.    Is John Harbaugh also a bad HC because Lamar has started in a Super Bowl yet?

 

FYI, Dan Fouts and Warren Moon are the two best QBs who never made the Super Bowl.  Both Josh and Lamar still have plenty of time.   

 

Nobody is guaranteed anything in this life, including Bills fans.  Deal with it.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Manning didn't win one til he was 30 fwiw.  

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, TH3 said:

People just want to be miserable

I do not want to, but yet I manage.

[SoTier]

2 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

Manning didn't win one til he was 30 fwiw.  

 

Elway didn't win his first Super Bowl until his 15th year in the league, so he was 35 or something.

[Mikie2times]

I need to clean the filth off

[ProcessTruster]

Single elimination tournaments are, with rare exceptions, won by the team with the best quality coaching/roster.   Josh is great to be sure, but top to bottom from GM through HC all the way down to practice squad, the Chiefs have simply been better than the Bills, not by much, but enough.   Everyone can see it.  Reid/Spags are the best coaching duo in my lifetime-- the Bills have 1st time OC and DCs; Mahomes / Josh is probably a draw, but we have no one like Kelce or Jones, not even close.   

 

Bills can take a meaningless regular season game when injuries at that moment, etc. / home field can make a difference and neither team is opening its entire playbook (esp. the Chiefs), but when its win or go home, having one of a kind talent almost always wins.. Bills do not have one a kind talent anywhere.  Just a very good roster and organization top to bottom.   

 

Be happy people.   We are witnessing the best of the Bills 60+ year history. 

Edited August 14 by ProcessTruster

[Mikie2times]

20 minutes ago, SoTier said:

Another day, another thread whining about how bad the Bills are and how bad McDermott is.    Is John Harbaugh also a bad HC because Lamar has started in a Super Bowl yet?

 

FYI, Dan Fouts and Warren Moon are the two best QBs who never made the Super Bowl.  Both Josh and Lamar still have plenty of time.   

 

Nobody is guaranteed anything in this life, including Bills fans.  Deal with it.

If we just never talk about how improbable it is that Allen and the Bills have not reached a Super Bowl then it will just go away right? Until it happens, this will always be front and center. I think that's something you need to deal with. 

Edited August 14 by Mikie2times

[HomeskillitMoorman]

6 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

Manning didn't win one til he was 30 fwiw.  

 

There was a very key difference there though. 

 

Peyton to that point wasn't playing great in the playoffs as a whole. The games they were losing were his clunkers, like two the Patriots, one to the Jets, and one to the Steelers. They weren't losing games that he played great in. They weren't losing games that he was putting up 27+ points in. 

 

There is no elite player in any sport that I can think of that could not get to the big game in this big of a stretch despite playing great overall in the playoffs. What we've seen happen here with Josh is an unfortunate unique situation. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

5 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

Single elimination tournaments are, with rare exceptions, won by the team with the best quality coaching/roster.   Josh is great to be sure, but top to bottom from GM through HC all the way down to practice squad, the Chiefs have simply been better than the Bills, not by much, but enough.   Everyone can see it.  Reid/Spags are the best coaching duo in my lifetime-- the Bills have 1st time OC and DCs; Mahomes / Josh is probably a draw, but we have no one like Kelce or Jones, not even close.   

 

Bills can take a meaningless regular season game when injuries at that moment, etc. / home field can make a difference, but when its win or go home, having one of a kind talent almost always wins.. Bills do not have one a kind talent anywhere.  Just a very good roster and organization top to bottom.   

 

Be happy people.   We are witnessing the best of the Bills 60+ year history. 

 

Who chooses the OC's and DC's? McD has had 8 years to get that right. Other teams have also won and beat the Chiefs without having Reid/Spags. Also, the Chiefs have not been an offensive juggernaut for the last couple years - only against us in January. If McD had put up one game where his side of the ball wasn't flat out horrific against the Chiefs in the playoffs...we'd have a win against them. Just one. While other teams in the league have been able to do that. The Bills offense has actually done a pretty good job of putting up points against what's been a top defense in the NFL the last couple years while the D can't contain what's been a mediocre offense. 

 

The problem of not being able to do this ever with this many shots is a unique one that we have. I'm not sure how much more evidence people like yourself need of this. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

22 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Elway didn't win his first Super Bowl until his 15th year in the league, so he was 35 or something.

And that was after a new HC and system was put in place.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

32 minutes ago, SoTier said:

Another day, another thread whining about how bad the Bills are and how bad McDermott is.    Is John Harbaugh also a bad HC because Lamar has started in a Super Bowl yet?

 

FYI, Dan Fouts and Warren Moon are the two best QBs who never made the Super Bowl.  Both Josh and Lamar still have plenty of time.   

 

Nobody is guaranteed anything in this life, including Bills fans.  Deal with it.

 

Is there a pattern of the Ravens losing playoff games that Lamar has played great in? 

[GoBills808]

13 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Is there a pattern of the Ravens losing playoff games that Lamar has played great in? 

No

In fact Harbaugh caught lightning in a bottle when Flacco had his great playoff run and turned it into a Super Bowl victory like you're supposed to do

 

What is happening here is completely unprecedented. I'm not sure people are aware how truly unlikely some of these statistics are

[Gregg]

36 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

Single elimination tournaments are, with rare exceptions, won by the team with the best quality coaching/roster.   Josh is great to be sure, but top to bottom from GM through HC all the way down to practice squad, the Chiefs have simply been better than the Bills, not by much, but enough.   Everyone can see it.  Reid/Spags are the best coaching duo in my lifetime-- the Bills have 1st time OC and DCs; Mahomes / Josh is probably a draw, but we have no one like Kelce or Jones, not even close.   

 

Bills can take a meaningless regular season game when injuries at that moment, etc. / home field can make a difference and neither team is opening its entire playbook (esp. the Chiefs), but when its win or go home, having one of a kind talent almost always wins.. Bills do not have one a kind talent anywhere.  Just a very good roster and organization top to bottom.   

 

Be happy people.   We are witnessing the best of the Bills 60+ year history. 

 

That would be 1964 and 1965. The only championships in the Bills history. For me it doesn't count personally since I wasn't born yet but 64 and 65 have to be at the top of the list for the Bills and fans who were alive then.

[BuffaloBill]

Look at John Elway as the example for some hope. Lost three and then later won two.  Elway and Josh are different players and era’s but both arguably the most athletically gifted in their time.  

[Haslett_Stomp]

22 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

Look at John Elway as the example for some hope. Lost three and then later won two.  Elway and Josh are different players and era’s but both arguably the most athletically gifted in their time.  

 

As SoonerBillsFan said above, Elway won a Super Bowl only after Denver jettisoned Dan Reeves and Mike Shanahan took over after Wade Phillips was fired.

[Dan]

It is a bit mind numbing that Allen and the Bills just can’t get past KC.  It’s a bit like the Bills 4 SB losses.  At some point, you just wondered… what can they possibly do to win? 
 

I’ve said it before and I’ll repeat it again… Beane needs to have a team of scouts that are doing nothing but watching every game KC and Reid have played and figure a way to beat them.   They simply cannot rely on McD to figure it out.  Four losses is enough.  They have to do something a bit drastic.  Adding rookies to your DLine I don’t think is gonna get it done. 
 

Also… why is it our coaches all get poached… but Spags just stays in KC forever!?  And knows exactly what to do to beat Allen.   WTF 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

10 minutes ago, Dan said:

It is a bit mind numbing that Allen and the Bills just can’t get past KC.  It’s a bit like the Bills 4 SB losses.  At some point, you just wondered… what can they possibly do to win? 
 

I’ve said it before and I’ll repeat it again… Beane needs to have a team of scouts that are doing nothing but watching every game KC and Reid have played and figure a way to beat them.   They simply cannot rely on McD to figure it out.  Four losses is enough.  They have to do something a bit drastic.  Adding rookies to your DLine I don’t think is gonna get it done. 
 

Also… why is it our coaches all get poached… but Spags just stays in KC forever!?  And knows exactly what to do to beat Allen.   WTF 

 

It's probably because Spags had a disaster run as a HC...but you're right that there have been other coaches with bad first runs who have gotten a second shot. 

 

I think Allen's actually done really well against his defenses in the playoffs overall though, the last 2 years against top defenses. We just can't have even a half-decent defensive game against what's been their mediocre offense the last 2 years. But it's harder, anyone who watches those games knows how much more of a grind it was to move the ball against their defenses than the Swiss cheese we're presenting to Mahomes. 

[Buffalo03]

2 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

This will be the narrative for decades if they don't get it done soon.  You can thank Beane and McDermott for this epic failure, although most of you praise him for his glorious regular season record

To be fair, even a lot of HOF head coaches only have .500 career playoff records or worse.

Tony Dungy has a 9-10 playoff record and he had Peyton Manning for a lot of that. Andy Reid's playoff record before winning his first Super Bowl was 12-14. Bill Cowher is 12-9. Marty Schottenheimer was 5-13. John Harbaugh is 13-11. 

 

Getting to and winning the Super Bowl is hard. You not only have to have a great coach that knows what he is doing, you also have to have some luck on your side. It's not a walk in the park

Edited August 14 by Buffalo03

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

Depressed especially when you consider Allen plays well in the playoffs. 

 

 

He does play well in the playoffs. But the winner of this award was always likely to be a guy still playing, in other words a guy who has not yet used up all his chances to get to a Super Bowl. Also worth pointing out that as well as Josh played in those games, Mahomes outplayed him in most of them.

 

Greeny points out that Allen only has one INT against KC in the playoff losses. Mahomes has zero in the same games.

 

In any case, Peyton made the SB his first time in his 9th year.

 

Fouts never played in the SB.

 

Tarkenton didn't make the Super Bowl, or I believe the playoffs, till like his 12th or 13th year.

 

Allen's got plenty of time and is on a team that has given him chances nearly every year. He'll make it more than once, says I, and win a minimum of one, probably more.

 

3 hours ago, QB Bills said:

One can only dream of the heights Josh would have already reached with a competent coach on the sidelines. The guy has the restraint of a Buddhist monk with how he doesn't walk into mcdumbass's office and beat the crap out of him.

 

 

You're right, they don't have a competent coach.

 

McDermott is far far better than that.

 

But yeah, overreacting and dumb hot takes are fun, so go do your thing.

 

Edited August 14 by Thurman#1