WGR Discussing McD's job security

[GoBills808]

29 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

Correct.

 

i went back to 2021 and there was a fan poll of firing McD. 74% of TBDers said McD gets 2022 and beyond no matter what. Right after 13 seconds.

 

 

Fastforward a few seasons and there’s a poll in the middle of 2023 where 75% of fans wanted McD gone by 2024.

 

 

 

Obviously, the 2023 Bills got turned around and the 2024 Bills were much better, (so I’m not sure if 75% of folks want him fired today) but there’s no way 74% feel the same way they did in 2022.

 

it will only continue to worsen.

You know who really got it right in that thread 😂😂

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

Duh, but I’m not going to explain all of sports now. It’s not easy to be the last one standing. That is true every year in every sport. You’d think we’d be due by noŵ, and to be so close makes people crazy. I get it. 

I dont need you to explain it. Ive been watching it for fifty years. I understand how hard it is to win it all. Other teams figure it out. Why dont we? Ever? Now we have what I believe is the best QB in franchise history and not only does he have to fight the opponent, but hes also battling his own head coach. And we're just suppossed to sit here and hope McDermott figures it out someday as Allen gets closer and closer to retirement? Ok. Guess there are no other options on a planet of 8 BILLION PEOPLE. I'll keep my fingers crossed that McDermott finally gets it in year twenty.

[BVBILLS]

Tomlin or Harbaugh didn't invent 13 seconds like Mc Clappy did. One of the worst Bills chokes of all time. Besides what music city miracle?

[RoscoeParrish]

45 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

You know who really got it right in that thread 😂😂

I really wonder what someone would have said, back then, if Sean McDermott unequivocally deserved to continue to be our HC if he loses to the Chiefs 4 straight times.

 

My gut tells me a lot of the folks who think it’s not worth discussing today would have said “definitely not.”

[Mikie2times]

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Ask Joe Burrow how automatic those are.

We shouldn’t fly on planes because they can crash 

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

im saying it doesnt matter

 

whoever happened to be HC when Allen arrived was/is going to be 'best Bills HC of all time'

 

By record, sure. But he is just a better coach than the other guys we have had in the 21st century.

6 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

 

True enough but, maybe a little scheme modification could be helpful in the post season, like not giving a free release off the LOS in clutch moments, got to be in a position to succeed to succeed…,  I certainly don’t have the answers, but running it back with a wrinkle or two for post season play couldn’t hurt, fingers crossed the chips fall in our favor this year, 

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

They did modify their scheme in the ladt post season. They ran more man coverage in KC than they ever have before in a playoff game and got shredded first half. They were much better second half when they went back to being themselves. McDermott and Babich own that mistake too before anyone says it.

[Buffalo03]

15 hours ago, Virgil said:

Was listening to WGR yesterday and someone called into ask what Schoop and Bulldog would need to see happen for McD to get fired after this season.  There answer and reasoning honestly surprised me, and also seemed like a course correction from prior years from them.

 

They both stated that the Bills switching to the new stadium next year should prevent McD from being fired under most circumstances, even missing the playoffs.  They both stated that a catastrophic PR issue or the entire team falling off a cliff could change things, but that's about it.

 

I know we have a thread about McD every year,  and even I've been thinking about this more since last years playoff exit.  To me, if we get knocked out of the playoffs again and the defense is the main reason why (giving up 25+ points again), then I think it's time to move on from McD.  I'm not a McD hater by any means.  I will always be grateful for the culture he's brought to this team and the winning we've experienced since pulling us from the drought.  However, if our D (his specialty) fails us again, then I feel very confident to say that McD has taken us as far as he can as a coach.  It doesn't mean he's a bad coach, just means he's not a Superbowl caliber coach.  I know McD would get hired almost immediately by another team that is looking to recreate the Buffalo success and we would be taking a chance on anyone else.  But I also believe we would have our choice of HC candidates.  

 

I guess I'm just at the point where these playoffs losses haven't been talent related so much as they've been outcoached and outschemed.  We put so much focus on the defensive roster over the years, especially this year, that it's time to put up or shut up.  If not, then we are just defining insanity by running it back.

 

The stadium excuse was just strange to me.  Why would that be a factor as the stadium is new to McD too.  

I see no way McDermott gets fired after this season. I do think,  however, that he could be put on the hotseat next season by either missing the playoffs or wild card playoff loss this season. Otherwise, if we keep doing what we are doing and at least getting to the divisional or championship round every year, I honestly think the job will be McDermotts as long as he wants it. Keep in mind the Bills and Allen aren't the only one struggling to win a title. The Ravens have yet to get to a Super Bowl with Lamar and Burrow had yet to win one also, although he has been there. If Lamar had one and Burrow had one, my viewpoint might be different

[Buffalo Boy]

9 hours ago, Augie said:

He’s up against instant HOF guys at HC and QB, it’s not easy. 

   He has an instant HOF QB. In this equation there is only one number that isn’t adding up.

HC+QB > HC+QB

   But , it is about the Defense. This is the point that those defending him keep skipping over. 
   It doesn’t work when necessary AND a large part of that is on the HC. It is his scheme. Ostensibly, the players ( and types of player) that are being chosen to fit his scheme don’t elevate at the crucial moments. 
    Other than NE, His D hasn’t dominated anyone in the playoffs of note. Baltimore was a lucky play ( albeit AWESOME) as they were driving easily to the EZ.

    Josh keeps him employed.

    After the inevitable meltdown by his D this year, I realize he will stay …… but he shouldn’t.

[ProcessTruster]

18 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

He has through nextseason,but if he can't get to a superbowl by the end of the 1st season in the new stadium...  he needs to go.

you realize of course that the entire coaching staff goes as well.  you're not just unplugging one guy you don't like.   you are willing to ditch Brady, Kromer, et al in the process and start all over again with new schemes, mismatched scheme/players and all the restart that goes with that?? 

 

This board cracks me up.   Give em a good, even a great thing and they trash it anyway.  

[bmur66]

If McD can’t get this team over the hump this year and win a superbowl with Josh Allen in his prime then maybe he should voluntarily walk away. Nobody has had more opportunities than he has.

Edited August 9 by bmur66

[Avisan]

1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said:

This board cracks me up.   Give em a good, even a great thing and they trash it anyway.  

Genuinely, it's American entitlement at its finest.

 

Have something amazing, decide it isn't good enough with no regards to objective comparisons or what it takes for things to be this good in the first place, and lash out for not giving us the immediate emotional gratifications we deserve.

[T.E.]

49 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Genuinely, it's American entitlement at its finest.

 

Have something amazing, decide it isn't good enough with no regards to objective comparisons or what it takes for things to be this good in the first place, and lash out for not giving us the immediate emotional gratifications we deserve.

Americans strive for greatness, which is why we have the best country on Earth by a country mile.

 

And no, failing to make a single solitary Super Bowl when you have the most gifted QB in NFL history isn't "good enough."

 

Also, LMAO at anyone accusing Bills fans (of all people) of demanding immediate gratification.

Edited August 9 by T.E.

[Mike R]

There is no doubt McD is a good coach. He builds team chemistry and has developed an excellent culture. He has seemed to evolve from his naturally conservative  nature and takes more risks than he used too. 13 seconds is unforgivable. His weaknesses are game time high pressure decisions where he just melts. His choices of when to call timeouts or throw the challenge flags is still terrible. I always say nothing good ever happens on the play after a time out. His game planning for playoff games has not been good. He does a decent job against the Ravens but there just seems to be no plan of attack on offense or defense against KC. The Bills just revert to Josh running the ball and playing hero ball when the games get tight. His defensive philosophy against bad teams or bad qb’s work but he has no answers for good offenses and qb’s.

i personally believe the Bills will never win a Super Bowl under McDermott but the Bills will never part ways with him.

so I’ve resigned myself to enjoying the ride each season watching the most exciting player in the nfl ball out, but knowing if the Bills go on a playoff run that McD will not have them ready for the elite teams.

[nuklz2594]

The hc has established a winning culture. Chuck Knox and Marv Levy never won it all. They established a culture where players wanted to be here. Has Mcd made dumb decisions...yes. If fired, how do you to replace him? Do we promote from within a la Joe Brady? I'm 62, grew up in Pittsford, attended Fredonia. I just want to enjoy the ride. We are competitive and highly respected. That counts alot.

[HOUSE]

If Mike Schoop and the Bulldog says it....it must be true 

They predicted the Bills would win the division last year. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

13 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Yes. Ask Joe Burrow how automatic it is to make the playoffs and win divisions. The notion that any old team with a bunch of JAGs led by Josh Allen would be this successful is laughable.

 

The Bills are an elite team. Elite players, coaching and front office. If you're determined to pick scabs to build some lame argument that we aren't, go ahead. No team is perfect with every decision. Luck plays a huge role in winning the big one. 

 

I'm confident we'll break through eventually. The last thing I want to do is clean house and think that will make us better. I support Terry Pegula for saving the Bills but I don't trust him to hire a new regime.

"Elite players"

 

The offense is Josh Allen and a bunch of guys. Maybe you could throw cook in there, but the rest? Elite? Come on man, let's be real.

[Augie]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   He has an instant HOF QB. In this equation there is only one number that isn’t adding up.

HC+QB > HC+QB

   But , it is about the Defense. This is the point that those defending him keep skipping over. 
   It doesn’t work when necessary AND a large part of that is on the HC. It is his scheme. Ostensibly, the players ( and types of player) that are being chosen to fit his scheme don’t elevate at the crucial moments. 
    Other than NE, His D hasn’t dominated anyone in the playoffs of note. Baltimore was a lucky play ( albeit AWESOME) as they were driving easily to the EZ.

    Josh keeps him employed.

    After the inevitable meltdown by his D this year, I realize he will stay …… but he shouldn’t.

 

Don’t give me that crap (bolded). He broke the drought and went to the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor as QB. He’s a very good coach who has yet to win a Super Bowl. Part of me is starting to hope he wins a bunch of rings….somewhere else. We have a certain crowd who deserve to see that. 

[Don Otreply]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

By record, sure. But he is just a better coach than the other guys we have had in the 21st century.

 

They did modify their scheme in the ladt post season. They ran more man coverage in KC than they ever have before in a playoff game and got shredded first half. They were much better second half when they went back to being themselves. McDermott and Babich own that mistake too before anyone says it.

I hear you, but that only means that they chose a tactic that didn’t work out, not that they shouldn’t try a different wrinkle in their scheme the next time, I’m certain they spend a huge amount of time and energy working on a ways of getting better, I think that goes without saying, 🤞

[I'm Spartacus]

20 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

The analysis should be on Pegula not McD.

 

Look at Terry's comments in HK Ep. 1: "Hire competent people and then trust them to do their jobs."

 

Look at Kevyn Adams' tenure.

 

McD isn't going anywhere.

Ha! I  didn't read thru all the posts, but your comments are what I'm thinking about McDermott & Beane. Pegula is either too stupid, scared or lazy to pull the plug on Kevyn Adams (he should have been fired years qgo). He'll never fire McDermott.

[RoscoeParrish]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

By record, sure. But he is just a better coach than the other guys we have had in the 21st century.

 

They did modify their scheme in the ladt post season. They ran more man coverage in KC than they ever have before in a playoff game and got shredded first half. They were much better second half when they went back to being themselves. McDermott and Babich own that mistake too before anyone says it.

Just another really bad coaching strategy in a do or die game against the Chiefs. Again.

 

I feel like McD at this point has the “no matter what you do, you’ll be wrong” bad luck or psychological disadvantage vs KC.

 

We’ll do exactly what the Eagles did and let up 500 yards of offense

Edited August 9 by RoscoeParrish