James Cook: "Business" man

[Freak-O]

Demanding 15 million dollars per year instead of ten when there is a salary cap is just greedy, IMO. Accept a little less, your teammates won’t have to be traded and maybe, just maybe, have a team strong enough to win the title. Ten million dollars per year will last so many lifetimes anyway. 

[goldenboy81]

Did the cowboys ever get a running back. Asking for a friend

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, Freak-O said:

Demanding 15 million dollars per year instead of ten when there is a salary cap is just greedy, IMO. Accept a little less, your teammates won’t have to be traded and maybe, just maybe, have a team strong enough to win the title. Ten million dollars per year will last so many lifetimes anyway. 

 

Tell that to Josh first and foremost. Brady did it.

 

A few million to Josh is NOTHING. A few million to a RB is his entire future.

 

But we wouldnt dare...

 

 

Edited August 4 by DrDawkinstein

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

All those guys I listed are top 5 at their positions. Spencer brown is a top 5 right tackle now, benford is a top 5 corner, Taron is a top 5 slot corner, Tre was a top 3 corner when he signed, Milano was a top 3 OLB when he signed, Dawkins is probably a top 3 left tackle

 

Out of curiosity where do you have cook ranked- You think he's a top 3-5 RB in the league now?

Spencer Brown signed when people weren't sure he would even be an effective starter. A whole thread exists on here of people cursing that decision out. Milano made top 10 LB money when he signed back in 2021.   Benford isn't even pulling 20 million a year. He knows he's not a top 5 corner. He would have waited if he didn't know that. Taron's making what, 10 million a year?  In what world do you come up with your rating system? You think these players will just take 5 million a year annual hits for the benefit of team and process? Even Dawkins signed before the accolades really started to come.  These players got fair offers at the time, that rank pretty close to what the agents said they will which is top 15 positional rankings. Some flirting in the top 10. 

 

I will make it really simple. Out of all the players you mentioned does James Cook have a chance to have as many or more All Pro nods when his career ends? Currently Dawkins has 2, White has 2, and Milano has 1. The rest have zero. I would say the answer is probably. It's not that crazy of a stretch to see James Cook get two All Pro's over the next 4 years. 

 

 

[JerseyBills]

15 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

"Quiet quitting" has been an official thing for years now, and has been going on in corporate America for decades. Every office has people who glide by, under the radar, doing nothing. Usually motivated by getting screwed over by corporate culture enough times, passed over for promotions, raises, etc.

 

Additionally, people use all the leverage they can to negotiate raises, including finding new jobs and threatening to leave if not matched or more.

 

These guys dont get to do that, so this is all they can do.

 

 

He has that right, hey let him be the next leveon Bell - he can take that path, this season,  he is lawfully a Bill , whoever is in his ears are dummies for real, 

 

When has Brandon Beane ever not paid for production? 

 

Case closed 

***** James Cook in my book

[Mike in Horseheads]

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Spencer Brown signed when people weren't sure he would even be an effective starter. A whole thread exists on here of people cursing that decision out. Milano made top 10 LB money when he signed back in 2021.   Benford isn't even pulling 20 million a year. He knows he's not a top 5 corner. He would have waited if he didn't know that. Taron's making what, 10 million a year?  In what world do you come up with your rating system? You think these players will just take 5 million a year annual hits for the benefit of team and process? Even Dawkins signed before the accolades really started to come.  These players got fair offers at the time, that rank pretty close to what the agents said they will which is top 15 positional rankings. Some flirting in the top 10. 

 

I will make it really simple. Out of all the players you mentioned does James Cook have a chance to have as many or more All Pro nods when his career ends? Currently Dawkins has 2, White has 2, and Milano has 1. The rest have zero. I would say the answer is probably. It's not that crazy of a stretch to see James Cook get two All Pro's over the next 4 years. 

 

 

WGAF about pro bowls! Weak argument

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Did he sign a contract??? 

Yes or no?? 

Enough said 

 

Real men honor that *****

Go ball out and get paid in free agency next year, this is immature,  amateur hour bs 

 

Unless the team tramples all over your freedom and Franchise Tags you, and continues to own you, while you risk it all on a single injury.

 

This is business.

 

Just now, Mike in Horseheads said:

WGAF about pro bowls! Weak argument

 

All Pro, not Pro Bowls.

[BillsFan130]

5 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Spencer Brown signed when people weren't sure he would even be an effective starter. A whole thread exists on here of people cursing that decision out. Milano made top 10 LB money when he signed back in 2021.   Benford isn't even pulling 20 million a year. He knows he's not a top 5 corner. He would have waited if he didn't know that. Taron's making what, 10 million a year?  In what world do you come up with your rating system? You think these players will just take 5 million a year annual hits for the benefit of team and process? Even Dawkins signed before the accolades really started to come.  These players got fair offers at the time, that rank pretty close to what the agents said they will which is top 15 positional rankings. Some flirting in the top 10. 

 

I will make it really simple. Out of all the players you mentioned does James Cook have a chance to have as many or more All Pro nods when his career ends? Currently Dawkins has 2, White has 2, and Milano has 1. The rest have zero. I would say the answer is probably. It's not that crazy of a stretch to see James Cook get two All Pro's over the next 4 years. 

 

 

Taron Johnson when he signed was the highest or 2nd highest paid slot corner. But I'm not sure why "money" is the only determining factor on how good a player is at their position 
 

Dak makes more per year than Josh Allen. From your logic, does that make Dak better ?

Tremaine Edmund's makes 18 and Bernard makes what, 11? Do you think Edmunds is better than him?

A lot of players on the bills took pretty team friendly deals because the bills have done an outstanding job of building culture, and it's a very attractive place to play, even for less money.
 

If you think Sauce Gardner is 13 million dollars better than Benford, I don't know what to tell you 

Edited August 4 by BillsFan130

[JerseyBills]

14 minutes ago, Billl said:

 

And players have the right to renegotiate their rookie contracts after 3 years of service.  

And they tried! Ultimately,  the team has the right to do whatever the ***** they want ! 

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

WGAF about pro bowls! Weak argument

All Pro's its a different thing. But I imagine making things up is probably still preferable. Benford is top 3, Johnson is top 2, Dawkins is the best. See how good I am at this. I mean, nobody else thinks that, but it doesn't matter. If they don't think that I can just play the small market card. 

[RoscoeParrish]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

Every time this happens, people bring up LeVeon Bell’s situation from 7 years ago.  Nobody ever brings up the hundreds of times it’s happened since then where the player has been vindicated.  Two years ago, Lamar was an idiot…right up until he signed his massive deal.

Bell isn’t even a good example.

 

he played under the tag once. He got $12M GTD for the first time and passed on $14M GTD for each of those seasons. 
 

After holding out and missing a year, he got $27M guaranteed with the Jets. He basically got two more franchise tags worth of guarantees up front. He literally won.

Edited August 5 by RoscoeParrish

[JerseyBills]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Unless the team tramples all over your freedom and Franchise Tags you, and continues to own you, while you risk it all on a single injury.

 

This is business.

 

 

All Pro, not Pro Bowls.

That's the teams right to do, they hold all the cards, Cook is an employee,  doesn't matter if it's dollar tree or the Bills, he works for them, they don't work for him! 

 

It is business,  apparently you don't understand how business works 

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Taron Johnson when he signed was the highest or 2nd highest paid slot corner. But I'm not sure why "money" is the only determining factor on how good a player is at their position 
 

Dak makes more per year than Josh Allen. From your logic, does that make Dak better ?

Tremaine Edmund's makes 18 and Bernard makes what, 11? Do you think Edmunds is better than him?

A lot of players on the bills took pretty team friendly deals because the bills have done an outstanding job of building culture, and it's a very attractive place to play, even for less money.
 

If you think Sauce Gardner is 13 million dollars better than Benford, I don't know what to tell you 

Yes, Edmunds is more talented. Better? Who knows. Open market, Bernard would make a couple stones rubbed together. Taron is an excellent player and he signed that deal off his best season. QB's have a bit more luxury to take smaller salaries, so sort of a poor example on your part. You have no basis to form the conclusions you're outside of your feels. That's the point. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

"It's Bidness!!"

 

-James Cook

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, WotAGuy said:

I didn’t run the risk of an injury ruining my career as a top-level night manager at  Burger King. 

very few running back careers have ended at practice 

 

may he not look his best playing injured or missing time? Sure. But this isn’t his best either.

[pennstate10]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

because it's in their best interest that their fellow members receive the biggest contracts possible. 

 

now I don't want the Bills to be the team to pay him upwards of $15m/yr either but i def support Cook's attempts to make it happen

 

"because it's in their best interest that their fellow members receive the biggest contracts possible."

 

Nope.  Thats 100% incorrect.  THink it through.

 

There is a fixed salary cap of ~$250 milllion.  Thats what the Bills pay.  They can pay 5 players $45 million each , and then 48 players at rookie minimum if they want to.  Its the same amount of money out of Pegulas bank account.

 

Every extra dollar that Cook gets is a dollar that his teammate(s) DONT get.

 

So its NOT in their best interest for Cook to get an exorbitant salary.  

[BillsFan130]

20 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Yes, Edmunds is more talented. Better? Who knows. Open market, Bernard would make a couple stones rubbed together. Taron is an excellent player and he signed that deal off his best season. QB's have a bit more luxury to take smaller salaries, so sort of a poor example on your part. You have no basis to form the conclusions you're outside of your feels. That's the point. 

Who knows? We literally watched Edmund's play for 5 seasons and Bernard for 2. I don't know how anyone in their right mind wouldn't say Bernard is a better player.
 

Dak signed for 4 years and Josh signed for 6. it's even better for Dak, since he will have another chance to cash in soon and it makes it less team friendly . 

 

We witnessed the drought years where bills would have to overpay for guys cause they were an organization with no success. Not the case anymore, which is why we get benford for 17 and a dysfunctional franchise like the jets had to pay 30 for Gardner

 

 

Edited August 4 by BillsFan130

[ScottishBills]

8 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

All Pro's its a different thing. But I imagine making things up is probably still preferable. Benford is top 3, Johnson is top 2, Dawkins is the best. See how good I am at this. I mean, nobody else thinks that, but it doesn't matter.

 

All said with a straight face whilst writing cheques based on multiple possible future all-pros. 😬

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

 

"because it's in their best interest that their fellow members receive the biggest contracts possible."

 

Nope.  Thats 100% incorrect.  THink it through.

 

There is a fixed salary cap of ~$250 milllion.  Thats what the Bills pay.  They can pay 5 players $45 million each , and then 48 players at rookie minimum if they want to.  Its the same amount of money out of Pegulas bank account.

 

Every extra dollar that Cook gets is a dollar that his teammate(s) DONT get.

 

So its NOT in their best interest for Cook to get an exorbitant salary.  

 

That's not how the players see it tho. GoBills808 had it right. There are tons of interviews of players confirming this. Of course it isnt absolute. I'm sure some do. But by and large, they all want guys to get as much as they can.

 

Edited August 4 by DrDawkinstein

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Benford isn't even pulling 20 million a year. He knows he's not a top 5 corner. He would have waited if he didn't know that.

 

Just on Benford specifically I think if I was his agent I'd have been advising him to leave some money on the table for as much security as possible. He has not made a ton as a 6th round pick and the concussion history is a concern. That one was the rare case where as an agent you say "look you can hold out for your max value if you want to but the sensible play here is take the $37.5m guaranteed and if in two years you have stayed healthy and further proven yourself then I can always go back for more money."

 

I don't think he is quite a top 5 corner by the way. But he isn't more than a place or two off... I just think the context on his means the Bills probably did get a small hometown discount there.