Ethan in Cleveland Posted Sunday at 10:38 PM Posted Sunday at 10:38 PM 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Tre is still holding down the starting spot with Hairston getting mixed in some each day. However doesn't sound like either of them are performing as well as you'd hope. Tre seems to be having the better camp of the two, but he's also too frequently getting mentioned as the CB that got beat on a given play; compare that to Benford where his name almost never comes up (in a good way). Hairston by early reports is struggling quite a bit to be honest. WRs at every level of the depth chart seem to be winning reps against him in team drills. Obviously still very very early in his career but he's not progressing as quickly as I'd hoped, at least not yet. Well this is depressing 2 2 2 1 Quote
Steptide Posted Sunday at 11:20 PM Posted Sunday at 11:20 PM I think hairston will be fine. We're 4 days into camp. No pre season games yet and he's a rookie. If I remember correctly, Darby was putrid in pre season and ended up being pretty good his rookie year 7 1 1 Quote
dock581 Posted Sunday at 11:48 PM Posted Sunday at 11:48 PM Any word on who is backing up Taron and how did they look? Quote
HappyDays Posted Sunday at 11:51 PM Author Posted Sunday at 11:51 PM 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: Let's give a week after the pads come on to even get a hint on how things are progressing. Yeah not making sweeping judgments, that is just the current state of the CB2 job on day 4. I really liked Hairston as a prospect and other than QB it might be the toughest position for a rookie to learn. 1 1 2 Quote
PoundingDog Posted Sunday at 11:56 PM Posted Sunday at 11:56 PM Does Antoine Winfield Sr. ring a bell to anyone here? It's not that ancient. Drafted by the Bills 1st round (23rd overall) 1999. Played 14 seasons with 3 pro-bowls. He did not start as a rookie until someone injured in December. I still remember his interview before that start (against Colts) that "this week, my teamates are counting on me." He went on to intercept Payton Manning in the game. I feel Hairston is likely to get the same treatment. But I think his chance to start sooner than December is very high. Benford has a well documented injury history in NFL. White is getting back to be full-time starter since ... 2 1 Quote
HappyDays Posted Monday at 12:09 AM Author Posted Monday at 12:09 AM 1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Well this is depressing Hey as long as one of them can perform better than Rasul Douglas last year, which is a low bar, I'm good with that. Any improvement from that spot combined with what should be almost automatic improvement from the DL is still a positive step forward. As with any training camp a positive rep for the offense is a negative rep for the defense and vice versa. So in one light you have the CB2 getting beat somewhat regularly, while in another light you have Allen looking as sharp as ever with guys like Coleman and Palmer and Moore getting open from outside alignments. I'd much rather Coleman be looking good right now than White or even Hairston, because his play will be more critical to his side of the ball than the CB2's will be to theirs IMO. 6 2 1 Quote
YattaOkasan Posted Monday at 12:12 AM Posted Monday at 12:12 AM 15 minutes ago, PoundingDog said: Does Antoine Winfield Sr. ring a bell to anyone here? It's not that ancient. Drafted by the Bills 1st round (23rd overall) 1999. Played 14 seasons with 3 pro-bowls. He did not start as a rookie until someone injured in December. I still remember his interview before that start (against Colts) that "this week, my teamates are counting on me." He went on to intercept Payton Manning in the game. I feel Hairston is likely to get the same treatment. But I think his chance to start sooner than December is very high. Benford has a well documented injury history in NFL. White is getting back to be full-time starter since ... Liked most of what you said but benford has played 15 games the past two seasons. It’s just that he’s missed the elimination game every year. I wouldn’t consider him injury prone (not what you said but what you implied). Quote
Ben Posted Monday at 12:13 AM Posted Monday at 12:13 AM It's reasonable to expect the rookie to get picked on with benford on the other side. He's got all the God given talent to be good. Just gonna take his lumps for a bit 1 1 Quote
Simon Posted Monday at 12:22 AM Posted Monday at 12:22 AM 1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Well this is depressing Dude. It's practice. And not only is it practice... It's a rookie's first week of practice, trying to defend the world's best QB while he's wearing red. 11 1 5 Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted Monday at 12:35 AM Posted Monday at 12:35 AM 24 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Hey as long as one of them can perform better than Rasul Douglas last year, which is a low bar, I'm good with that. Any improvement from that spot combined with what should be almost automatic improvement from the DL is still a positive step forward. As with any training camp a positive rep for the offense is a negative rep for the defense and vice versa. So in one light you have the CB2 getting beat somewhat regularly, while in another light you have Allen looking as sharp as ever with guys like Coleman and Palmer and Moore getting open from outside alignments. I'd much rather Coleman be looking good right now than White or even Hairston, because his play will be more critical to his side of the ball than the CB2's will be to theirs IMO. Good take I just hope the only reason Coleman looks good is not because he is beating White and Bishop all over the field. 13 minutes ago, Simon said: Dude. It's practice. And not only is it practice... It's a rookie's first week of practice, trying to defend the world's best QB while he's wearing red. Dude. Relax. Its just a message board. Its not life and death. 2 Quote
Simon Posted Monday at 12:37 AM Posted Monday at 12:37 AM 2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: I just hope the only reason Coleman looks good is not because he is beating White and Bishop all over the field. Dude. Relax. Its just a message board. Its not life and death. I'm not the one who's depressed 9 Quote
vincec Posted Monday at 01:03 AM Posted Monday at 01:03 AM 3 hours ago, HappyDays said: Tre is still holding down the starting spot with Hairston getting mixed in some each day. However doesn't sound like either of them are performing as well as you'd hope. Tre seems to be having the better camp of the two, but he's also too frequently getting mentioned as the CB that got beat on a given play; compare that to Benford where his name almost never comes up (in a good way). Hairston by early reports is struggling quite a bit to be honest. WRs at every level of the depth chart seem to be winning reps against him in team drills. Obviously still very very early in his career but he's not progressing as quickly as I'd hoped, at least not yet. Isn’t a surprise at all. White is cooked. Look at his play last season. Best thing he can do at this point is provide mentorship. And Hairston is a rookie. 2 Quote
VW82 Posted Monday at 02:06 AM Posted Monday at 02:06 AM (edited) I could see a repeat scenario of Benford’s rookie season where someone like Ingram or Dorian Strong comes out of nowhere and wins the job out of camp. Hairston is a prospect stud. He’ll be fine. He just needs time to learn the league. Might be one of those cases where he needs to get through camp and then watch for a bit. We’ve certainly seen that before. Also, happy for Keon. He needed that. Now let’s start to see some consistency. Edited Monday at 02:07 AM by VW82 1 Quote
sunshynman Posted Monday at 02:40 AM Posted Monday at 02:40 AM There is not enough overreacting in this thread. My 🕷️ sense is tingling. 4 Quote
eball Posted Monday at 03:30 AM Posted Monday at 03:30 AM 2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Dude. Relax. It’s just a message board. It’s not life and death. And yet you were the one typing “this is depressing”…😂 1 6 Quote
Sojourner Posted Monday at 05:43 AM Posted Monday at 05:43 AM 6 hours ago, Steptide said: I think hairston will be fine. We're 4 days into camp. No pre season games yet and he's a rookie. If I remember correctly, Darby was putrid in pre season and ended up being pretty good his rookie year I agree but there is some cause for concern. Whilst you expect some bumps, I did some looking around after getting an answer in the threads and the consensus isn’t that great so far from what’s been seen from the kid. He’s competing against not exactly elite players for that CB2 role. Might be the majority of people are thinking this turns into an Elam repeat from recent years but you’d like to see more. Bigger picture though, I’m with you. I hope Hairston turns out fine. 1 Quote
Richard Noggin Posted Monday at 05:46 AM Posted Monday at 05:46 AM 13 hours ago, BuffBillsForLife said: Allen has a howitzer for an arm but his deep ball accuracy has never been good. His strength is rocketing 20-30 yard passes into windows no one else can. Only accuracy he had as a rookie was DEEP. Ask Robert Foster. 10 hours ago, NewEra said: Yeah, I heard it’s a low ankle sprain. Still a tough injury for a WR looking to impress the staff enough to keep 6 WRs. Maybe, selfishly, this helps to prevent his poaching and he sneaks onto the PS again. Shavers and Virgil are high end PS WRs imho. 2 1 Quote
Sojourner Posted Monday at 05:53 AM Posted Monday at 05:53 AM Any word on Landon Jackson? All I can find was the injury precaution and the fact he “looks huge/like he’s wearing pads” Quote
stlbills13 Posted Monday at 11:30 AM Posted Monday at 11:30 AM In the one practice I got to see my (uneducated) opinion on CB2 was Max has the physical traits but not the feel yet Tre has the feel but lacking in the physical traits Max needs reps. We win a Super Bowl with Max's ceiling, not Tre's high floor. But we really need Tre for 17+ games too 2 1 Quote
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