BillytheKid Posted July 17 Posted July 17 (edited) Images of Career stats total and per game averages for regular season, playoffs and combined regular season plus playoffs. I tried to use per game averages also, so that way no Baltimore fan or anyone else can use the excuse Allen has played more games cause Lamar got hurt. Next images are what records each has broken or has so far in the league. Without being Bias, which I know would be hard, who looks like the better career QB using stats? Edited July 17 by BillytheKid 5 1 4 Quote
thenorthremembers Posted July 17 Posted July 17 These are good statistics but not needed. Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes are in a league of their own when it comes to current quarterbacks. Lamar has gotten worlds better as a passer, but he is a level below both Josh and Pat. Anyone telling you different is either a Ravens fan or has an agenda. 3 18 1 Quote
H2o Posted July 17 Posted July 17 (edited) They are both great QB's with slightly different styles. Josh has also been the healthier of the two to this point. We all have also seen that Josh has that "it" factor, that clutch gene where you don't want him to end up with the ball last in a one score affair. The Bass missed FG in 2024, the Kincaid drop in 2025, and 13 Seconds were not Josh's fault. We all know Josh is the better Playoff QB. The stats line up with the eye test. Josh has more rushing TD's from his running ability inside the 10. Josh will barrel into the endzone, where Lamar looks to throw a 3 yard TD pass. In the end, they are both on track for the HOF at their current paces. A Lombardi would pretty much cement it. Let's hope our guy get one and gets his first. Edited July 17 by H2o 5 2 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted July 17 Posted July 17 46 minutes ago, BillytheKid said: Images of Career stats total and per game averages for regular season, playoffs and combined regular season plus playoffs. I tried to use per game averages also, so that way no Baltimore fan or anyone else can use the excuse Allen has played more games cause Lamar got hurt. Next images are what records each has broken or has so far in the league. Without being Bias, which I know would be hard, who looks like the better career QB using stats? Allen superbowl wins: 0 Jackson superbowl wins: 0 3 1 3 Quote
Ya Digg? Posted July 17 Posted July 17 8 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Allen superbowl wins: 0 Jackson superbowl wins: 0 You know that guys are allowed to be good players even without a Super Bowl win, right? 10 1 1 Quote
BillytheKid Posted July 17 Author Posted July 17 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: These are good statistics but not needed. Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes are in a league of their own when it comes to current quarterbacks. Lamar has gotten worlds better as a passer, but he is a level below both Josh and Pat. Anyone telling you different is either a Ravens fan or has an agenda. Yes, I already know all of that and agree for the most part, but I like putting things side by side to show the differences. Burrow actually looks better on a per game basis career wise than Lamar does. Other than the rushing stats but total yards per game and other areas. Quote
zow2 Posted July 17 Posted July 17 Again, the stats show that Lamar was never 3 MVP’s better than Josh’s zero. They made the right call last season giving Josh the MVP despite some controversy with the All-Pro ballot. 2 Quote
GunnerBill Posted July 17 Posted July 17 I think career stat comparisons overstate the gap. Because Lamar is worlds better as a Quarterback now than he was even 2 or 3 years ago. They were both raw coming out but Josh got to elite more quickly. I still think it is Pat and Josh 1A and 1B in some order with Lamar and Joe both in the elite tier but at #s 3 and 4 respectively. 5 Quote
Sojourner Posted July 17 Posted July 17 What app/platform did you extract those stats from @BillytheKid? Thanks Quote
Ray Stonada Posted July 17 Posted July 17 The biggest difference is in playoff stats. Lamar to date is a regular season hero. Josh has incredible stats in the playoffs. However, Mahomes has been by far the best in league history in the playoffs. Insane stats and record. 1 1 Quote
CSBill Posted July 17 Posted July 17 (edited) 8 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: These are good statistics but not needed. Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes are in a league of their own when it comes to current quarterbacks. Lamar has gotten worlds better as a passer, but he is a level below both Josh and Pat. Anyone telling you different is either a Ravens fan or has an agenda. . . . or works for ESPN. Edited July 17 by CSBill 1 Quote
kitchen sink Posted July 17 Posted July 17 Availability is you best ability. I think here should be no adjustment when comparing QBs because one was injured more (or was not able to play through the injury). That is a part of what make a great player a great player. 1 Quote
Buffalo Boy Posted July 17 Posted July 17 Rushing TDs are roughly 2 to 1 in Josh’s Davor. This is legit surprising to me. Allen is a better qb but I do have a soft spot in my heart for Lamar. The guy has worked his tail off, proved a ton of “ experts” wrong and seems like a genuinely decent human being. Quote
RoscoeParrish Posted July 17 Posted July 17 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I think career stat comparisons overstate the gap. Because Lamar is worlds better as a Quarterback now than he was even 2 or 3 years ago. They were both raw coming out but Josh got to elite more quickly. I still think it is Pat and Josh 1A and 1B in some order with Lamar and Joe both in the elite tier but at #s 3 and 4 respectively. It reminds me of the days of Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, Big Ben. Sometimes that order flipped, but it was pretty clear the top 2 were the top 2. 1 Quote
Gregg Posted July 17 Posted July 17 I think Allen would have won a Super Bowl if he were a Raven. I think the Ravens overall have a better roster than the Bills. The Bills have a good offense around Allen even though the WR corps is average. The defense is average at best and below average against good teams with good QBs as the playoff show. Allen does more for his team than any other player in the league. Nothing against Jackson who is a very good QB, but he should have at least gotten to a Super Bowl with that roster he has around him. 1 1 Quote
The Jokeman Posted July 17 Posted July 17 11 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Allen superbowl wins: 0 Jackson superbowl wins: 0 5 of the current 32 starting QBs have Super Bowl rings, guess what? It's far easier to not make or lose a Super Bowl than win won based on simple mathematics/statistics. 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted July 17 Posted July 17 12 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Allen superbowl wins: 0 Jackson superbowl wins: 0 Trent Dilfer Super Bowl wins: 1 Nick Foles Super Bowl wins: 1 Brad Johnson Super Bowl wins: 1 Dan Marino Super Bowl wins: 0 Wins (even Super Bowl wins) are a team stat...not a QB stat. 2 2 Quote
PoundingDog Posted July 17 Posted July 17 (edited) 13 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Allen superbowl wins: 0 Jackson superbowl wins: 0 Forget about superbowl wins. You have to get there first right? Allen AFC Championship game appearance: 2 Jackson AFC Championship appearance: 1 For reference Mahomes is on a 7 consecutive AFC Championship appearance streak, went to 5 superbowl games. I'm a Bills fan but think about it, in a conference where you have Allen Jackson, Burrow, that's a feat. 12 hours ago, Ya Digg? said: You know that guys are allowed to be good players even without a Super Bowl win, right? I think the bar is at a different height for Allen, and for that matter, Jackson etc. They ARE all recognized as good players. The question is whether they be "Mahomes" good, i.e., beating Mahomes from time to time at the critical important games. Edited July 17 by PoundingDog 1 Quote
BillytheKid Posted July 17 Author Posted July 17 6 hours ago, Ray Stonada said: The biggest difference is in playoff stats. Lamar to date is a regular season hero. Josh has incredible stats in the playoffs. However, Mahomes has been by far the best in league history in the playoffs. Insane stats and record. On a per game basis Allen has been just as good as Mahomes stat wise in the playoffs. I can show those side by side. Both are other worldly elite in playoff stats. obviously the biggest difference in those would be Mahomes 4-0 record against Allen. Just stats though Allen is ahead of him in a few categories on a per game basis. 6 hours ago, Sojourner said: What app/platform did you extract those stats from @BillytheKid? Thanks I used Microsoft Co-Pilot and then had it quadruple check itself getting the stats to make sure they were correct. Then also checked it myself to make sure. It extracted them from espn, stat muse and pro football reference. I knew a lot of the stats were correct also because I have done comparisons so many times. 1 1 Quote
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