Gregg Posted July 15 Posted July 15 1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said: Jets have a good roster, but its top heavy and missing the only piece that matters That's why I am not a counting the week 2 game at MetLife as a win. I have a feeling the Bills will be in another close game like they have been the past three in the Meadowlands. Quote
BigAl2526 Posted July 15 Posted July 15 Great receiver, but it is the QB that makes an offense tick. Justin Fields has talent, but has been misused throughout his career. The problem is the Jets have a long history of misusing their QBs. I don't see any reason for that to change. Quote
PoundingDog Posted July 15 Posted July 15 Let's see what Aaron Glenn has as a HC. The Jets drafted in the top 10 a bunch recently, and multiple first round picks in a few years. It's not like I don't give Douglas credit but it would be hard to miss all those fast balls right down the middle. But he for sure had not hit a home run (QB 1). If Glenn is able to string together those singles, doubles and triples with some luck, he should give Bills and other quality teams (with HR powers) runs for their money. McDermott was able to do it in 2017 with far less talent. Quote
Paup 1995MVP Posted July 15 Posted July 15 19 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Good move by them. It's always wise to pay a Superstar young player at a premium position early. He's put up three straight 1,000 yard seasons with scrubs at QB. That is a pretty liberal use of the word Superstar if you ask me. In today's NFL the way they throw the ball around on a lot of teams (we aren't really one of those teams) getting 1000 yards receiving in 17 games is nothing tremendous. And even if you have scrubs at QB, if you throw 40-50 x's per game, any NFL QB, (even Spencer Ratler types) can throw for 300 yards fairly often. Wilson is a nice WR. But he drops a lot of passes. And is moody as can be. Seems to be pouting on the sidelines every game. Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted July 15 Posted July 15 8 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: That is a pretty liberal use of the word Superstar if you ask me. In today's NFL the way they throw the ball around on a lot of teams (we aren't really one of those teams) getting 1000 yards receiving in 17 games is nothing tremendous. And even if you have scrubs at QB, if you throw 40-50 x's per game, any NFL QB, (even Spencer Ratler types) can throw for 300 yards fairly often. Wilson is a nice WR. But he drops a lot of passes. And is moody as can be. Seems to be pouting on the sidelines every game. Not bad company considering the QBs that he has started his career out with: You’re underrating Wilson. He’s a great player that has trash around him on offense. 1 Quote
Albany,n.y. Posted July 15 Posted July 15 1 hour ago, BigAl2526 said: Great receiver, but it is the QB that makes an offense tick. Justin Fields has talent, but has been misused throughout his career. The problem is the Jets have a long history of misusing their QBs. I don't see any reason for that to change. The only time Fields has been misused is when his team has put him on the field instead of keeping him on the bench. He's a career backup who has no business starting. 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted July 15 Posted July 15 6 hours ago, eball said: Justin Jefferson has proven that if you’re an elite WR you can still put up the numbers without a star QB. The Jets HAD to pay Wilson; he’s that good. I’ll predict another 1K season for him this year even if he has a RB throwing him the ball. And with that said… Just End The Season Kevin OConnell and his system/playcalling is the Vikings equivalent to having a star QB. The Jets dont have a KOC. And now they have (another) Defensive minded HC. The new regime should have traded Wilson, use picks on the trenches or a shot at QB. Agreed he'll have a "1000 yard season" but is that even a big deal with 17 games and a pass-heavy league? Quote
Doc Brown Posted July 15 Posted July 15 1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said: That is a pretty liberal use of the word Superstar if you ask me. In today's NFL the way they throw the ball around on a lot of teams (we aren't really one of those teams) getting 1000 yards receiving in 17 games is nothing tremendous. And even if you have scrubs at QB, if you throw 40-50 x's per game, any NFL QB, (even Spencer Ratler types) can throw for 300 yards fairly often. Wilson is a nice WR. But he drops a lot of passes. And is moody as can be. Seems to be pouting on the sidelines every game. I kind of used that word tongue and cheek because I know the natural reaction by opposing fans is to point out all his flaws to make it seem like a bad move. He's top 10 to 15 at this point at 24 years old. His new average salary after next year currently ranks sixth in the NFL. By the time he's in the middle of that contract he'll pry be between the 10th and 15th highest aav per year. He definitely didn't give the Jets a hometown discount but it's a fair contract imo. I think his yardage will improve a little once they get a competent QB in there but I agree targets are targets no matter who's throwing you the ball. It's why I don't share the Elijah Moore enthusiasm. Quote
Paup 1995MVP Posted July 15 Posted July 15 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Not bad company considering the QBs that he has started his career out with: You’re underrating Wilson. He’s a great player that has trash around him on offense. The problem is that DB's are not allowed to punish WR's any longer. One big hit on this guy going across the middle, and he is not getting up anytime soon. I can just vision if Steve Atwater would have hit him. His career might have ended. I think Benford and Hairston will shut him down. Quote
bigduke6 Posted July 15 Posted July 15 Wilson is probably worth that if the Jets ever get somebody who can actually get him the ball. they would need an offensive line first though. not really a headscratcher of a move, u pay your talent. Quote
The Jokeman Posted July 15 Posted July 15 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Not bad company considering the QBs that he has started his career out with: You’re underrating Wilson. He’s a great player that has trash around him on offense. Breece Hall is good but their Oline is trash and honestly rest of their skill guys are Just Average Guys and call me Thomas but I doubt Fields puts it together as a passer. Yeah they can draft a QB next season but as we've seen recently no guarantees your 1st Round QB is the next great one. Quote
Einstein Posted July 15 Posted July 15 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Not bad company considering the QBs that he has started his career out with: You’re underrating Wilson. He’s a great player that has trash around him on offense. As I mentioned before, Wilson is *really* good. Some fans on here laughed at me when I raved about him all season. Funnily enough, some of those fans think Alec Pierce is great (go figure). Give Garrett Wilson a top 5 QB and he is a top 3 WR. Quote
The Jokeman Posted July 15 Posted July 15 1 minute ago, Einstein said: As I mentioned before, Wilson is *really* good. Some fans on here laughed at me when I raved about him all season. Funnily enough, some of those fans think Alec Pierce is great (go figure). Give Garrett Wilson a top 5 QB and he is a top 3 WR. As Burrow and Chase have shown, no guarantee that gets you a lot in the NFL. 1 Quote
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted July 15 Posted July 15 (edited) On 7/14/2025 at 5:24 PM, MJS said: Paying a WR before you find a QB is kind of risky, in my opinion. Jets are just so desperate for blue chip talent, they’ll take it where they can get it. Besides, if you aren’t paying a huge % of your cap to a QB then that’s the time to splurge on other positions. Maybe they are trying to do what teams like the Vikings and 49ers do and build a solid team first to pair w/ QB of the future. Edited July 15 by ChronicAndKnuckles Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted July 15 Posted July 15 1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said: The problem is that DB's are not allowed to punish WR's any longer. One big hit on this guy going across the middle, and he is not getting up anytime soon. I can just vision if Steve Atwater would have hit him. His career might have ended. I think Benford and Hairston will shut him down. So we are saying “if he gets hurt he won’t be good?” 🔥🔥🔥 take 1 Quote
Paup 1995MVP Posted July 16 Posted July 16 17 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: So we are saying “if he gets hurt he won’t be good?” 🔥🔥🔥 take I am saying he looks as fragile as a pixie stick. And I think he is a good, but not spectacular player. Shakir is way more twitchy. Just probably not as fast in straight line speed. Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted July 16 Posted July 16 36 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: I am saying he looks as fragile as a pixie stick. And I think he is a good, but not spectacular player. Shakir is way more twitchy. Just probably not as fast in straight line speed. Do you think Khalil Shakir is a better WR than Garrett Wilson? This is a rhetorical question (and I like Shakir). We don’t need to downplay our opponents and overplay our own guys. That doesn’t strengthen the point. It makes us look like homers and discredits other reasonable opinions. There isn’t a coach/scout/executive in the world that believes Shakir is a better WR than Garrett Wilson, because he isn’t. Garrett Wilson has PLAYED IN EVERY SINGLE NFL GAME!! Why should we assume that he will get hurt? That’s craziness. We get so hung up on these visions of what happened in the 1980’s. It’s 2025. Small receivers flourish!! Tyreek Hill, DeVonta Smith, Garrett Wilson, etc.. are all dominant players. 1 Quote
Paup 1995MVP Posted July 16 Posted July 16 4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Do you think Khalil Shakir is a better WR than Garrett Wilson? This is a rhetorical question (and I like Shakir). We don’t need to downplay our opponents and overplay our own guys. That doesn’t strengthen the point. It makes us look like homers and discredits other reasonable opinions. There isn’t a coach/scout/executive in the world that believes Shakir is a better WR than Garrett Wilson, because he isn’t. Garrett Wilson has PLAYED IN EVERY SINGLE NFL GAME!! Why should we assume that he will get hurt? That’s craziness. We get so hung up on these visions of what happened in the 1980’s. It’s 2025. Small receivers flourish!! Tyreek Hill, DeVonta Smith, Garrett Wilson, etc.. are all dominant players. Ok Kirby. I think Shakir is a baller. I am not downplaying Wilson in the slightest. I think he is a good receiver. But am I afraid of him when we play the Jets? Absolutely not. Good for you that you love his game. He looks like a petulant child on the sidelines. Yes Tyreek Hill has been dominant. DeVonta Smith is a good receiver. Can he be physically bullied around on the field? Yes he can. I don't care what era we are talking about. You need to play physical defense to be a good football team. And that includes roughing up receivers. Now you can't give the head shot by the safety coming across the field any longer. That just gets you personal fouls and fines. (The Brian Dawkins special.) I certainly understand that. But you still need to not let guys roam free all over the field. Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted July 16 Posted July 16 8 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Ok Kirby. I think Shakir is a baller. I am not downplaying Wilson in the slightest. I think he is a good receiver. But am I afraid of him when we play the Jets? Absolutely not. Good for you that you love his game. He looks like a petulant child on the sidelines. Yes Tyreek Hill has been dominant. DeVonta Smith is a good receiver. Can he be physically bullied around on the field? Yes he can. I don't care what era we are talking about. You need to play physical defense to be a good football team. And that includes roughing up receivers. Now you can't give the head shot by the safety coming across the field any longer. That just gets you personal fouls and fines. (The Brian Dawkins special.) I certainly understand that. But you still need to not let guys roam free all over the field. I like Shakir too. I don’t think that he’s better than Wilson because he isn’t. Garrett Wilson can be a great football player while the Jets are a bad football team. Both things can be true. ESPN polled 70 executives/coaches/scouts and asked them to rank the best player by position across the NFL. They voted, 24 year-old Garrett Wilson, as the 10th best WR in the NFL!! He’s the 2nd youngest WR in the top 10. He isn’t a “pretty good NFL WR.” He’s an elite young talent on a bad team. Wilson is a great young player. FWIW, 26 WRs received votes from these NFL employees. None of the 26 were Bills receivers. 1 Quote
YoloinOhio Posted July 16 Posted July 16 Fook. The jets want to be the Bills and not the Bengals Quote
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